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Molto Verboso
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:12 am quote
More like an electric bicycle, but at least parking should be easy.

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Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:30 pm quote
Re: Maybe
roadster wrote:
Jimding wrote:
Since electric motors produce max torque at nearly zero RPM, a transmission isn't strictly necessary. But most motors have limited high-RPM capability. For a real motorcycle, gearing for a desired top speed (say, 100 MPH) means a very high gear ratio, making low speed performance somewhat lazy. Probably doesn't need a six speed, but 2 or 3 can definitely improve acceleration.
Electric motors can be designed to produce maximum torque wherever its needed. For example electric hover mowers usually produce very little torque at zero rpm and have to be cleared of obstructions before you can spin them up. Always some trade-off of course so you can't rule out some electric vehicles being designed with variable gear ratios.
Maybe on a hoverboards so you don't get thrown off, but one of the big advantages of an electric motor is they have 100% torque starting at 1 RPM and it is there till max RPM.
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Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:50 pm quote
Re: Maybe
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roadster wrote:
Maybe on a hoverboards so you don't get thrown off, but one of the big advantages of an electric motor is they have 100% torque starting at 1 RPM and it is there till max RPM.
Also have to keep in mind the torque multiplication of a gearbox. If the gear ratio from engine to tire is a cumulative 1:8, then you get 1/8 the RPM, but 8 times the torque (not counting frictional losses). Why a car can do burnouts in the first gear or two, but not top gear. Even with the high torque advantage of motors, gearing helps. Most motors also start to lose torque at higher RPM, so for performance, want to keep the motor in the sweet spot.
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Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:48 am quote
Something different indeed...

the brand name around here is "Unikruiser".
Unless proven otherwise, I suspect the origin is somewhere Eastern Asia and we just have one branded version.

It's based on gyroscope, quite like the original Segway.

Specs nothing spectacular,
Top speez 15 km/h
Motor 800W/60V
Charging time 2 hours
Distance with one charge 25 km

Still, nice to see "something else"...

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Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:02 pm quote
Re: What's new in electric scooters and motorcycles
RRider wrote:
As new electric 2-wheelers pop up faster than mushrooms after rain, they'll deserve an own thread.

but no does not look like a cheepo in any way.

http://sol-motors.com
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:30 pm quote
Eric Buell up to his old tricks...

The electric motorcycle will be available in 11kW and 35kW variants. The Fuell Flow has a claimed battery range of 200km and features a connected dashboard and the ability to switch out motors, batteries and chargers for full customisation. And there is room for on-board luggage.

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Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:56 pm quote
I drive an electric van for work.

110 mile range.

If I drive mostly around town at 30mph it will pretty much match the miles consumed against the miles traveled.

If I go on a faster road doing 60mph it literally eats the battery, knocking off 10miles range in under 2 miles. So if your doing 6 miles at that speed it takes half the days battery!!

Air temp also plays a big part. In winter it’s range goes down by about 20%, so it can be hard to complete a shift at work.

I’m now very used to what I need to do to eek out as much distance as I can, but on the whole am very dubious about ranges these manufacturers print.....cause I’ve lived it.

The plus sides though. Nobody can que jump me cause this thing is quicker off the line than pretty much any car.
Also love the assisted braking which also puts some charge back in. A long 2 mile hill can eat 5 miles of distance but going back down the hill can add it back.

I’m holding off a few years before I invest in anything electric, it’s too early and think current figures will be found very amusing in the not too distant future.
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:28 am quote
znomit wrote:
Eric Buell up to his old tricks...

The electric motorcycle will be available in 11kW and 35kW variants. The Fuell Flow has a claimed battery range of 200km and features a connected dashboard and the ability to switch out motors, batteries and chargers for full customisation. And there is room for on-board luggage.
Nothing striking about it... but it actually looks convincing, with a touch of modern and traditional. And it looks like it really could be rideable
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:24 pm quote
Zero Motorcycle (about 15 miles from me) is releasing the Zero SR/F:
-- 124 MPH
-- 200 mile range
-- 140 bhp
-- Starting at $18K but looks like it could go up to mid $20K
-- Lots of details and qualifiers. See Zero's site

Best Miguel

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Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:45 pm quote
Place
Both the FFuel and the Zero are incredible designs.

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Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:30 am quote
Miguel wrote:
Zero Motorcycle (about 15 miles from me) is releasing the Zero SR/F:
-- 124 MPH
-- 200 mile range
-- 140 bhp
-- Starting at $18K but looks like it could go up to mid $20K
-- Lots of details and qualifiers. See Zero's site

Best Miguel

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This bike looks good on it's own, not only among electrics! Very traditional, but in a nice way - there's quite a bit of the same touch as Honda has in it's "Neo Sports Cafe" models... they seem to have started a new fad
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:01 am quote
I was looking for something that would fit in the van to cruise at the beach when I came across the Segway Mini Lite on Amazon for $249. At 68 years old, my balance is not the best but after a wobbily first ride my brain came to grips with it. It balances you. What a refreshing change. Now I even use it to walk the German Shepherd!
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:43 am quote
Chasbro wrote:
I was looking for something that would fit in the van to cruise at the beach when I came across the Segway Mini Lite on Amazon for $249. At 68 years old, my balance is not the best but after a wobbily first ride my brain came to grips with it. It balances you. What a refreshing change. Now I even use it to walk the German Shepherd!
Its amazing they've been able to make them that cheap!!I always thought Segways were a game changer in many ways but the technology never seemed to have taken off. Thanks for posting.

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Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:25 pm quote
Chasbro wrote:
I was looking for something that would fit in the van to cruise at the beach when I came across the Segway Mini Lite on Amazon for $249. At 68 years old, my balance is not the best but after a wobbily first ride my brain came to grips with it. It balances you. What a refreshing change. Now I even use it to walk the German Shepherd!
What handle is that? When looking on Amazon, I see the Segway Mini Lite doesn't come with that handle. Different versions of the handle I checked out were $59 and up, with varying reviews.
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Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:09 am quote
I made the tiller out of pvc. Its just hose clamped to the steering post. Actually its two unions connected by a short piece of pvc that are hose clamped to the post. The tiller just pushes in to the top union. You can easily ride it without the tiller if you're not bowlegged. Also I needed the handlebar to mount my phone to control the drone. Its all push fit. The store bought handles were a little pricey for me.
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Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:29 pm quote
Lightening Strike

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Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:46 am quote
Chasbro wrote:
I made the tiller out of pvc. Its just hose clamped to the steering post. Actually its two unions connected by a short piece of pvc that are hose clamped to the post. The tiller just pushes in to the top union. You can easily ride it without the tiller if you're not bowlegged. Also I needed the handlebar to mount my phone to control the drone. Its all push fit. The store bought handles were a little pricey for me.
The ride looks smooth, impressive for such a small wheel size!

I was just going to ask how you did the video - nice use of that drone.
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:04 pm quote
I used a Parrot Anafi in the 'follow me' mode. Then you order an 'orbit' while it follows. I must say the Segway is very addicting. I still can't get my head around how it works.
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:42 am quote
Well, not exactly new, but a nice example of these pedal/electric hybrid city slickers.

As discussed earlier, there doesn't seem to be end for the bicycle boom in many European countries. At the same time, various electrically assisted bicycles/ kickboard scooter - type vehicles also become more and more common.

This US origin brand is already a pioneering product in this area...I do like the idea of utilizing the upperframe to help carrying electrical stuff and make it look more like a moped... but it may be this compromises the riding position a bit too much to make it popular among those who also like to use the pedals = a big portion of the target group.

https://youtu.be/J02iZ3FvRoc

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Oh, and there's of course the retro twist too...

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Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:55 am quote
https://www.poliniebike.com/en/
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:14 am quote
Attila wrote:
https://www.poliniebike.com/en/
Polini has done well with the E-P3, good specs for a new electrically assisted bicycle.

Although still more at the high end of price scale, there's a lot of competition with many quite similar type of approaches. Either an integrated e-motor with the pedals area or a one at a rear wheel (or even front wheel, though those are typically more for retro-fits).

It will be interesting to follow, who the markets for city oriented 2-wheelers with electric motors develop....I believe the ones with room for some muscle work / back-up power, like e-bikes and kick-board thingies will continue to gain popularity... but the storage capacity & a bit if weather protection from the scoots today may have an element there too.
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Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:06 pm quote
Another one... this time from Sweden!

Interesting looks, could be posted on "what's new in retro motorcycles..." as well.

https://regent-motorcycles.com/

Re-design for the rather boxy battery area already promised...

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Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:45 pm quote
RRider wrote:
Another one... this time from Sweden!

Interesting looks, could be posted on "what's new in retro motorcycles..." as well.

https://regent-motorcycles.com/

Re-design for the rather boxy battery area already promised...
Probably intended but it looks like an old BMW bike with the black and white paint scheme and fenders hugging the wheels.

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Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:39 am quote
RRider wrote:
Another one... this time from Sweden!

Interesting looks, could be posted on "what's new in retro motorcycles..." as well.

https://regent-motorcycles.com/

Re-design for the rather boxy battery area already promised...
Now that is the direction I like see with these. Love the bike and as a second or third bike in the stable it would be a great addition. Range still isn't there and I'm not thrilled with the limiter kicking in at 120 kmh but I could live with that. I'm assuming that's why 120 or I guess it could really be the top speed.
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Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:52 am quote
FWIW
Cool little electric at AV.

Could use a taller version myself.... but the owner loves it and certainly transport is not too challenging....

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Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:20 am quote
You can see it from many points of view but the question remains, what can come of good we all know ... the two keys are autonomy and charging time for battery-powered vehicles.
Nothing is created from nothing and nothing is destroyed, everything is transformed ... and everything produces pollution, even electric vehicles. Battery disposal as and where, especially where ...
Dear friends, it is since the beginning of the twentieth century that they try with electric traction and the only genius one who went near the solution was crucified, there were too many economic interests and many enemies had been made.
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:49 am quote
Another concept
or actually a prototype.

This is one way to "hide" the battery...

https://www.curtissmotorcycles.com/hades

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... can't help thinking Austin Powers movies

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Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:59 am quote
Re: Another concept
RRider wrote:
or actually a prototype.

This is one way to "hide" the battery...

https://www.curtissmotorcycles.com/hades
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:18 am quote
Re: Another concept
RRider wrote:
or actually a prototype.

This is one way to "hide" the battery...

https://www.curtissmotorcycles.com/hades
I'm going to go with that is a little too phallic for me...
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:55 am quote
Well, these are not new, but are new to me, I really like the piaggio wibike, my dealer in Guatemala just imported M and Large frames and I need a small one. I will try to import one myself if I can find it in the US.

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Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:44 am quote
ValVitola wrote:
Well, these are not new, but are new to me, I really like the piaggio wibike, my dealer in Guatemala just imported M and Large frames and I need a small one. I will try to import one myself if I can find it in the US.
Yeah I've seen them. They are good looking electric bikes but pricey. I think there were some recalls on the original but that has been sorted out.
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:53 am quote
Re: Another concept
RRider wrote:
or actually a prototype.

This is one way to "hide" the battery...

https://www.curtissmotorcycles.com/hades
It's actually a giant Sterling engine.

Just hang a basket of hot coals below the, um, thingy* and off you go!

Actually, I think the whole bike looks kinda cool.


*member? manhood?
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:58 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
ValVitola wrote:
Well, these are not new, but are new to me, I really like the piaggio wibike, my dealer in Guatemala just imported M and Large frames and I need a small one. I will try to import one myself if I can find it in the US.
Yeah I've seen them. They are good looking electric bikes but pricey. I think there were some recalls on the original but that has been sorted out.
I wished I lived in a larger city like Toronto, I have few choices here for ebikes
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:06 am quote
Looks like Harley is going to carry through with the $30,000 Livewire, for those of you who feel the need to conspicuously consume. Other than the HD nameplate, nothing special about it. I presume the paint and chrome are outstanding, though. Wonder how long before a tricycle conversion becomes available?
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:24 am quote
Jimding wrote:
Looks like Harley is going to carry through with the $30,000 Livewire, for those of you who feel the need to conspicuously consume. Other than the HD nameplate, nothing special about it. I presume the paint and chrome are outstanding, though. Wonder how long before a tricycle conversion becomes available?
I gotta say I looks pretty cool. Almost like a mix between Harley and Ducati.

I'm not a fan of the trike conversions but if it keeps someone riding that could not otherwise more power to them.
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:03 am quote
If you already own a quality bicycle that you like....
I've been considering this for a while.

U.S. made. You just change out your front wheel with this one.
Motor and battery is inside the wheel. From company 'geo orbital'

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Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:31 am quote
Here's a UK one - there's a big selection out there.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ReaseJoy-Electric-Bicycle-Conversion-Cycling/dp/B01D0317E6
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:37 am quote
jimc wrote:
Like that one, you can get fronts and rears. The question would be, can you mount a front and rear and get more power for hills and longer battery life?
And these are available in 1000 watts versions.
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:48 am quote
WEB-Tech wrote:
jimc wrote:
Like that one, you can get fronts and rears. The question would be, can you mount a front and rear and get more power for hills and longer battery life?
And these are available in 1000 watts versions.
Be aware that that item is for just the wheel, no battery pack, no charger. The battery is twice again the price of the wheel.

Interesting question. I never heard of anyone trying to mount both front and rears at the same time. It's usually front mount for street riding and rear mount for people that go off road.

Be careful with these because there's lots of cheap Chinese made ones recently entering the market and people can't get customer support.
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:01 am quote
WEB-Tech wrote:
jimc wrote:
Like that one, you can get fronts and rears. The question would be, can you mount a front and rear and get more power for hills and longer battery life?
And these are available in 1000 watts versions.
You'd get double the power just like you get double the hauling capacity when train locomotives are used in tandem. and probably double the range cause you have twice as much energy available.

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