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Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:10 pm quote
CSC Wiz Electrek article . . America’s first fast and affordable 45 mph electric moped is finally here
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:53 pm quote
Wow. 40+ mph and 30-40 range and 2-up possible.

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Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:02 pm quote
CSC should give Piaggio a call.
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:26 pm quote
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CSC should give Piaggio a call.
I was thinking the same thing
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:33 pm quote
Every time someone posts something about an American electric scooter, there should be a contest to see who can find it first on Alibaba.com. I would play, but there are more than 227,000 potential winners.
Here's my favorite

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/More-New-Style-Best-Electric-Motorcycle_60710484736.html
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:46 pm quote
Miguel wrote:
Wow. 40+ mph and 30-40 range and 2-up possible.
Miguel
Yes, but only one of those things at any one time.

Apparently the top speed is a function of weight and terrain, so I guess down a big enough hill you can hit 40mph.
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:08 pm quote
It will be interesting to see how NIU electrics are priced when Genuine distribution begins.
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Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:16 am quote
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If those things are available to rent, like electric scooters, should kill a lot of people.

I doubt they'd be treated like mopeds under the law, but more like motorcycles. Was reading up on e-bikes, and evidently the top tier of e-bikes will be treated as motorcycles in many jurisdictions. Not that a LEO will be able to tell the difference.

I think that e-vehicles need to have a WOT range stated. How far will it go with the throttle held wide-open? Far too many fudge range with 'mixed use' standards and regen braking.

For example, the new Harley Livewire appears to have a WOT range of around 70 miles, according to one reviewer. Sadly deficient for a 'sport bike'. The manufacturer claims 146 city miles, or 95 miles of 'combined'.
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Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:05 am quote
Motovista wrote:
Every time someone posts something about an American electric scooter, there should be a contest to see who can find it first on Alibaba.com. I would play, but there are more than 227,000 potential winners.
Here's my favorite

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/More-New-Style-Best-Electric-Motorcycle_60710484736.html
"More New Style Best Electric Motorcycle Cub Motorcycle"

Specs:
Type: CUB
Fuel: Gas / Diesel
Max. Speed: > 80km/h
Certification: CCC
Displacement: 50CC
Engine Type: 2-Stroke
Condition: New
Brand Name: COWELLS
Place of Origin: Chongqing, China (Mainland)
Model Number: ZW-80C
Brake(F/R): Disc/Drum
Fuel tank capacity(L): 8
Engine type: Single cylinder, two stroke ,air cooled
Ignition: CDI
Product Name: More New Style Best Electric Motorcycle Cub Motorcycle

So, a 50cc electric motorcycle that runs on gas or diesel.

Interesting.

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Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:14 am quote
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I think that e-vehicles need to have a WOT range stated. How far will it go with the throttle held wide-open? Far too many fudge range with 'mixed use' standards and regen braking.
Perhaps they should do this for petrol engined vehicles first?
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Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:59 pm quote
Re: rental
Jimding wrote:
If those things are available to rent, like electric scooters, should kill a lot of people.

I doubt they'd be treated like mopeds under the law, but more like motorcycles. Was reading up on e-bikes, and evidently the top tier of e-bikes will be treated as motorcycles in many jurisdictions. Not that a LEO will be able to tell the difference.

I think that e-vehicles need to have a WOT range stated. How far will it go with the throttle held wide-open? Far too many fudge range with 'mixed use' standards and regen braking.

For example, the new Harley Livewire appears to have a WOT range of around 70 miles, according to one reviewer. Sadly deficient for a 'sport bike'. The manufacturer claims 146 city miles, or 95 miles of 'combined'.
Come to think of it, most of this has more or less been sorted out: Hot Town, Revel In the City!
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Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:04 pm quote
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So, a 50cc electric motorcycle that runs on gas or diesel.

Interesting.
Perhaps the gas (or diesel) drives a generator to charge the battery.
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Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:54 pm quote
I live in a very liberal city so alternative transportation is huge: bikes, powered skateboard, scooters, rental ebikes. I've been surprised at how many ebikes I see including many cargo bikes with child carriers. There are never traffic jams in the bike lane nor long lights. And you see a lot of people out on bikes that you would unlikely see on an unpowered ebike because bikes are so little work.

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Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:05 pm quote
I saw your city on websites ... it is very beautiful, the sea coast reminds me a little of my areas.
But if on Google I type santa Cruz there are many images of bicycles...
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:32 am quote
I've been riding around on an Ecooter E1R for the last week in the UK and I love it!
4.2kw motor, 50mph top speed, range up to 150km



Removable battery (unlike the Vespa )

It feels great riding it around, instantly all petrol engine cars and scooters seem medieval once you are riding electric, all those moving parts!

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:39 am quote
Locate
Which country does it come from ?

It looks simple. In a good way.

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:43 am quote
Re: Locate
Bill Dog wrote:
Which country does it come from ?

It looks simple. In a good way.

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China (obviously! ) - it's more of a mid/premium range than a lot of the throwaway types you see, build quality seems good, the dashboard is very nice and clear.

More info here:
http://www.wessexscooters.co.uk/ecooter-e1r-electric-scooter
https://www.ecooteruk.com

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:49 am quote
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I'm not so sure on the obvious as many a good electric scooter is coming out of Taiwan, Germany and the UK.

So far the Zap i300 is my favourite.

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:52 am quote
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Bill Dog wrote:
I'm not so sure on the obvious as many a good electric scooter is coming out of Taiwan, Germany and the UK.

So far the Zap i300 is my favourite.

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The Zapp does look really cool but range and storage options are a little lacking, great for pulling away at the lights I'd imagine!
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:55 am quote
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Actually. It does look a bit fragile on the front end.

Still like it.

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:37 am quote
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I've been riding around on an Ecooter E1R for the last week in the UK and I love it!
4.2kw motor, 50mph top speed, range up to 150km
Is it your scooter or did someone nice lend it to you?
Is 150km the real range?
How long does it take to fully charge?
What's the storage like?
How does the acceleration compare to a 50cc? a 125cc?
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:49 am quote
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rogscoot wrote:
I've been riding around on an Ecooter E1R for the last week in the UK and I love it!
4.2kw motor, 50mph top speed, range up to 150km
Is it your scooter or did someone nice lend it to you?
Is 150km the real range?
How long does it take to fully charge?
What's the storage like?
How does the acceleration compare to a 50cc? a 125cc?
I own the scooter 😊

I’m 6ft2 and 95kg so I probably won’t ever see 150km but I think with careful riding I could get 120km but that would be mostly riding in “smart” (slow) mode, it’s all too tempting to unleash “sport” mode! 😅

Full charge is 6-7 hours, I think there is a fast charger available in China which takes it down to about half that, it’s not currently available here yet though.
Storage is ok, not enough to hold a helmet but large enough for the charger, gloves, lunchbox etc

The acceleration is on par or slightly better than a 125cc, and once you are moving Sport mode is very fun, I’ve seen 55mph downhill and 50mph on the flat - the power delivery is different though, I think a petrol engine would pull better up very steep inclines. It’s beautifully calm and balanced at top speed though, feels nice and safe with barely any vibration.

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Storage space

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:15 pm quote
Charging has just finished and the app says I have 56 miles of range, this must be calculated from me riding it around like a hooligan over the last few days, also I set the smart mode limit to 55kph, the default is 45kph so you’d get more range if you have roads where that low speed isn’t a problem.

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Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:12 pm quote
Thanks for the review, interesting.
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:37 pm quote
Bill Dog wrote:
I'm not so sure on the obvious as many a good electric scooter is coming out of Taiwan, Germany and the UK.
The ecooter is built by -

Wuxi Ecooter Technology Company Limited
3070 Xidong Road, Anzhen town, Xish An district,
Wuxi, Jiangsu, China
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:51 pm quote
Attila wrote:
It's a mini-MP3!

If I were getting a scooter, wait a minute, not scooter... scooter... aaaaagh!

Anyway, you know what I mean.

I would get one of these.
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:28 pm quote
^^^ I would too. Its an interesting design and concept.

Interesting concept images and photos here from Yamaha.

No info about availability or price tho.

Couple of interesting facts: max 25 kph (not much different than many bikes) and weighs 46 kg. People will not be carrying this on the bus or train like e-skateboards and other light weight e-scooter that you can put in the overhead luggage rack, on your lap or under the seat. If it said range, I missed it in my quick read

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Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:52 pm quote
That's cool from Yamaha, I like their way of pushing the 3-wheel concept through various vehicles

To me it seems that the concept is still a bit half-hearted from electrical viewpoint. I found this from RideApart:

"The Tritown features a 500w electric motor which receives power from a 380wh lithium ion battery. According to Motociclismo, the setup has a modest range of 32km (just under 20 miles), but can recharge in under 3 hours."

It's a good point from Miguel, that the weight is challenging for an urban user. Let's see if they develop this further - one direction could be to add a saddle and make this more" long" distance capable... but still, if it were portable at least in the same way an electric bicycle is, then it would be much more versatile.
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:16 pm quote
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It's a mini-MP3!
That's already there, look at my scooter.
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Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:34 am quote
Attila wrote:
mpfrank wrote:
It's a mini-MP3!
That's already there, look at my scooter.
OK, so it's a micro-mini MP3.

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Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:54 am quote
Sport Mediaset: MotoE, a Spielberg esplode la moto di Tuuli.
https://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/motogp/motoe-a-spielbergesplode-la-moto-di-tuuli_7142889-201902a.shtml
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:05 pm quote
Looks like
That Tritown should keep all the facial-recontruction surgeons busy. A short wheel base and a high center of gravity shouldn't cause problems, should it? Not even sure you could brake hard without causing a crash.

Fine for glass smooth surfaces maybe (of which we have none) but any obstacle on the pavement is likely to pitch the rider right over the bars. The leaning-wheel steering is cute, but perhaps not up to the pothole-slaloms that are needed here.
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:27 pm quote
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In the Finnish media they claimed that the battery of the Niki Tuuli's bike heated up and exploded during the charging... but the details were vague.

Those guys have steely nerves - Nikki rode the fastest time at the second rehearsal round too!

(by the way: his last name Tuuli means "wind" in Finnish... always thought that's an appropriate name for him )
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:46 pm quote
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Jimding wrote:
That Tritown should keep all the facial-recontruction surgeons busy. A short wheel base and a high center of gravity shouldn't cause problems, should it? Not even sure you could brake hard without causing a crash.



...but even the Segway is no joke ...
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:52 pm quote
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Attila wrote:
In the Finnish media they claimed that the battery of the Niki Tuuli's bike heated up and exploded during the charging... but the details were vague.

Those guys have steely nerves - Nikki rode the fastest time at the second rehearsal round too!

(by the way: his last name Tuuli means "wind" in Finnish... always thought that's an appropriate name for him )
... more than the wind needs a fire extinguisher ...
Unfortunately when you run too far ahead of technology these things happen ... progress is made by small steps.
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:08 am quote
Oh, I don;t know
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...but even the Segway is no joke ...
Oh, I don't know, I tend to laugh at them. About the only place I see them are under fat security guards. I'm guessing you could run away from a Segway on a standard bicycle, and an e-bike even easier. Would be fun to seed an area with 2x2 blocks, and see what happens when a Segway hits them. Fun for the entire family.
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:46 am quote
Anyone watch the motoE races at the motogp! look like motogp bikes but electric. Well over 100mph for 6 laps.
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:57 am quote
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Or the TT Zero at the Isle of Man.

Silly fast.

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