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Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:48 am quote
znomit wrote:
Can I fill my evil petrol guzzling car with old batteries, charge it up for free, power my home with it?
Well, actually... the Smart Grid scenarious include 2-way network connected electric vehicles, as a way to smoothen electricity demand-supply peaks
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:26 am quote
RRider wrote:
znomit wrote:
Can I fill my evil petrol guzzling car with old batteries, charge it up for free, power my home with it?
Well, actually... the Smart Grid scenarious include 2-way network connected electric vehicles, as a way to smoothen electricity demand-supply peaks
That would be just great, you go to drive somewhere and you battery is low because the grid needed the power.
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:14 am quote
WEB-Tech wrote:
RRider wrote:
znomit wrote:
Can I fill my evil petrol guzzling car with old batteries, charge it up for free, power my home with it?
Well, actually... the Smart Grid scenarious include 2-way network connected electric vehicles, as a way to smoothen electricity demand-supply peaks
That would be just great, you go to drive somewhere and you battery is low because the grid needed the power.
I admit having some issues with this idea too... as today the main challenge for EVs seem to be keeping them charged and charging them fast enough. But I tell myself this is just me lacking the long term vision... the same thing with the grid washing my clothes 3 O'clock at night, or basically whenever it wishes if there is plenty of juice available
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:46 am quote
I just ordered myself one of those electric unicycle things. You put your feet either side of the wheel and (hopefully) move forward or back. The one I ordered wasn't expensive because there's a fair chance I might be incapable of riding the damn thing. The high end ones have a range of 50 miles and can reach 30mph which makes them fairly useful in cities etc. Legally, I think they're in a bit of a grI'll admit I was a bit surprised by what they could do but I suspect you'd have to be young and a bit stupid to try 30mph on a unicycle but hey ho. Now I just have to wait 40 days for the thing to arrive from China
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:23 am quote
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I just ordered myself one of those electric unicycle things. You put your feet either side of the wheel and (hopefully) move forward or back. The one I ordered wasn't expensive because there's a fair chance I might be incapable of riding the damn thing. The high end ones have a range of 50 miles and can reach 30mph which makes them fairly useful in cities etc. Legally, I think they're in a bit of a grI'll admit I was a bit surprised by what they could do but I suspect you'd have to be young and a bit stupid to try 30mph on a unicycle but hey ho. Now I just have to wait 40 days for the thing to arrive from China
You watch any of the tube vids to lear how to ride it? They are quite common here in California.

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Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:34 am quote
I've been watching them one after the other. Then there's all the comparison videos. By the time it arrives I'll be an expert! As an older guy I'll probably end up breaking a few ribs but hey ho. I can see they might be an entertaining way of getting round my neighbourhood - I'm often making trips that are under a few miles so I'm hoping this will be a fun (and green) way of getting about. I'll admit my electric bike was a bit of a disappointment, both the battery and the frame broke, but I've seen loads of videos where these things go crashing down the hill side and yet they seem to still work ok. Fingers crossed.
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:15 am quote
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:20 am quote
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I've been watching them one after the other. Then there's all the comparison videos. By the time it arrives I'll be an expert! As an older guy I'll probably end up breaking a few ribs but hey ho. I can see they might be an entertaining way of getting round my neighbourhood - I'm often making trips that are under a few miles so I'm hoping this will be a fun (and green) way of getting about. I'll admit my electric bike was a bit of a disappointment, both the battery and the frame broke, but I've seen loads of videos where these things go crashing down the hill side and yet they seem to still work ok. Fingers crossed.
First few times I would wear my riding gear, including a half helmet.
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:17 am quote
I went for the Inmotion V5f because it wasn't fast, it didn't weigh a tonne and perhaps because I found it for £330. I was initially trying to buy a 2nd hand one but even beaten up ones cost more than this. The Vf5 isn't new but the owners reviews I read all seemed quite glowing. There are models that cost 2K but I'd be in tears if I dropped one and, when you're learning, you drop them a lot.

I suspect I'll be wearing my gear for quite some time. I even have some wrist guards on order from Amazon.

I'll admit I've been watching these things go wooshing down the roads and paths in London for some time. I've owned an electric bike but they weren't that much different to a normal bike. I've seen a few electric skate boards zoom past on the roads and, while they look amazingly fast, I'm not quite ready to die just yet. The one wheel boards look great and seem quite easy to ride but they're a bit of a pain to carry around a shop or coffee house. They also cost a small fortune and aren't appearing yet on the 2nd hand market. The electric unicycle wheels just look like the future each time I see them so it was just a matter of time till I got one.

If you're not familiar with the things then:
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:23 pm quote
robinm wrote:
I went for the Inmotion V5f because it wasn't fast, it didn't weigh a tonne and perhaps because I found it for £330. I was initially trying to buy a 2nd hand one but even beaten up ones cost more than this. The Vf5 isn't new but the owners reviews I read all seemed quite glowing. There are models that cost 2K but I'd be in tears if I dropped one and, when you're learning, you drop them a lot.

I suspect I'll be wearing my gear for quite some time. I even have some wrist guards on order from Amazon.

I'll admit I've been watching these things go wooshing down the roads and paths in London for some time. I've owned an electric bike but they weren't that much different to a normal bike. I've seen a few electric skate boards zoom past on the roads and, while they look amazingly fast, I'm not quite ready to die just yet. The one wheel boards look great and seem quite easy to ride but they're a bit of a pain to carry around a shop or coffee house. They also cost a small fortune and aren't appearing yet on the 2nd hand market. The electric unicycle wheels just look like the future each time I see them so it was just a matter of time till I got one.

If you're not familiar with the things then:
This will be interesting...

Seriously, I think I'm a bit scared of trying one out, but they do look tempting.
Will be genuily interesting to read your experiences...be carefull!
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:32 pm quote
I'll admit I can't wait to go out and play on it. The one I'm getting is fairly low power but I hear of folk commuting 10 miles each way on these things. I suppose the advantage is an enormous amount of entertainment each time you set off and barely any cost to run. You can also park it beside your desk which reduces the chances of getting it stolen.

I've been in the typical Newbie Information Craving Stage (NICS) where you watch every video and read every review of every similar product but haven't actually even sat on one in real life. I get the same way with almost every (non grocery) thing I buy.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:19 am quote
be sure to check out the OneWheel too.

https://onewheel.com/

so fun to ride,

some people are commuting on them, and they are offroad capable. Built solid, made in the USA, very high quality.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:20 am quote
RRider wrote:
Seriously, I think I'm a bit scared of trying one out, but they do look tempting.
Will be genuily interesting to read your experiences...be carefull!
I had a go on one this afternoon. In all honesty it's fairly tricky to ride as you need to fully trust the wheel before putting both feet on board and start leaning forwards. It took me about an hour to go 10 feet! About 20 minutes later I could go the length of a football field but was rudely stopped by a tree (I hadn't learnt to turn yet). After another hour I could ride shakily around a tennis court. I think after another hour I would of looked fairly confident on the thing but my legs felt like jelly and I didn't think it was a good idea to continue. I'm now hiding the support bandage I've had to put on my knee in case the wife gets the idea that it's dangerous. It was a laugh though and I can easily see how I can use it once I'm a more confident rider. Trips to the shops, to friends or coffee houses will soon all likely be by electric unicycle. The only slight fly in the ointment is that they're slightly illegal in the UK but hopefully that will change with time.
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be sure to check out the OneWheel too.

https://onewheel.com/

so fun to ride,

some people are commuting on them, and they are offroad capable. Built solid, made in the USA, very high quality.
I think the onewheel is slightly easier to ride but both the range and the speed are quite limited. Range for the XR version is 18 miles (28km) with a top speed of about 18mph (28kmh) while many electric unicycles will cruise at just under 30mph (48kmh) and have a range of over 40 miles (70km). Another issue with having a smaller battery on the onewheel is that it can get overwhelmed by potholes or bumps when you're travelling over 10 mph. The hassle with that is that you get dumped on the road. That's not to say that electric unicycles won't dump you in the same way but it takes a certain type of personality to ride at over 30mph on a unicycle with all the warnings turned off. A more practical issue is what to do with the onewheel when you get to where you're going. If you're not riding it then you have to carry it and it weighs 12kg. The nice thing about these electric unicycles is most have a handle that allows you to easily wheel it around - it just looks like a piece of luggage but no effort is required to move it as all the effort is done by the wheel.

Obviously you can take all that with a pinch of salt because I only have 2 hours experience riding electric unicycles and none on the one wheel.
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:18 am quote
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RRider wrote:
Seriously, I think I'm a bit scared of trying one out, but they do look tempting.
Will be genuily interesting to read your experiences...be carefull!
I had a go on one this afternoon. In all honesty it's fairly tricky to ride as you need to fully trust the wheel before putting both feet on board and start leaning forwards. It took me about an hour to go 10 feet! About 20 minutes later I could go the length of a football field but was rudely stopped by a tree (I hadn't learnt to turn yet). After another hour I could ride shakily around a tennis court. I think after another hour I would of looked fairly confident on the thing but my legs felt like jelly and I didn't think it was a good idea to continue. I'm now hiding the support bandage I've had to put on my knee in case the wife gets the idea that it's dangerous. It was a laugh though and I can easily see how I can use it once I'm a more confident rider. Trips to the shops, to friends or coffee houses will soon all likely be by electric unicycle. The only slight fly in the ointment is that they're slightly illegal in the UK but hopefully that will change with time.
AF1 Racing wrote:
be sure to check out the OneWheel too.

https://onewheel.com/

so fun to ride,

some people are commuting on them, and they are offroad capable. Built solid, made in the USA, very high quality.
I think the onewheel is slightly easier to ride but both the range and the speed are quite limited. Range for the XR version is 18 miles (28km) with a top speed of about 18mph (28kmh) while many electric unicycles will cruise at just under 30mph (48kmh) and have a range of over 40 miles (70km). Another issue with having a smaller battery on the onewheel is that it can get overwhelmed by potholes or bumps when you're travelling over 10 mph. The hassle with that is that you get dumped on the road. That's not to say that electric unicycles won't dump you in the same way but it takes a certain type of personality to ride at over 30mph on a unicycle with all the warnings turned off. A more practical issue is what to do with the onewheel when you get to where you're going. If you're not riding it then you have to carry it and it weighs 12kg. The nice thing about these electric unicycles is most have a handle that allows you to easily wheel it around - it just looks like a piece of luggage but no effort is required to move it as all the effort is done by the wheel.

Obviously you can take all that with a pinch of salt because I only have 2 hours experience riding electric unicycles and none on the one wheel.
Wow, that's impressive. It sounds quite like I thought it to be - not something you'd just "jump into", but it seems to be a skill that can be mastered!

Still don't know if I would have your stamina to learn that thing, but there certainly is something tempting with these.

About the legality - we have the same situation, I don't think they have been officially given any vehicle category yet....
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:39 pm quote
Most
Most electric vehicles (except for cars) are treated like bicycles. I know the e-scooters are, and e-bikes up to a certain speed are as well. I've been toying with the idea of getting an e-bicycle, just so I can park for free downtown, and go on the bike trails.

Question I have is, how do you do an emergency stop on a unicycle? With enough advance notice, you can lean back before braking. But something comes up quick, I see a face-plant in your future.

Hey how about those folks in California that got their power shut off to avoid a wildfire? I saw that one article mentioned 2 million folks. Suck to have your power cut off and no way to charge your e-car or e-bike.
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:38 pm quote
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Hey how about those folks in California that got their power shut off to avoid a wildfire? I saw that one article mentioned 2 million folks. Suck to have your power cut off and no way to charge your e-car or e-bike.
The gas pumps won't have power either.

Those with some home solar power will be relieved
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:37 pm quote
http://www.ansa.it/canale_ambiente/notizie/postit/Snam/2019/10/10/snam-lancia-lidrogeno-per-unitalia-green-e-leader_fa92c2ad-e1e3-45d8-8266-ba1fc3be1df7.html

"Snam, the Italian company that manages the gas network, launches, even more convinced, into the challenge to make hydrogen energy of the future. By the end of the year, the numbers of experimentation that mixes 10% natural gas and hydrogen from the initial 5% will double. And it does so by choosing the South: the transmission network of Contursi Terme (Salerno). The news was announced at the "The hydrogen challenge" event. The initiative was also attended by the President of the Council, Giuseppe Conte. "We need to launch concrete and rapid action in Italy to achieve the same results with hydrogen as we did with wind power, thus recovering the gap that separates us from some Northern European countries," the prime minister said. And he added: "Italy has the human reserves and the technological competences to win, in a short time, this challenge". On the other hand, pointed out Conte, the Peninsula "expresses realities of absolute importance on an international level, such as Snam, which have been able to anticipate the times and anticipate trends". Hydrogen is not only synonymous with clean energy and development, for Italy it can be even more: a lever for relaunching the South. "It is precisely the regions of Southern Italy, from Campania to Puglia to Sicily, rich in renewable energy, those that could favor the emergence of hydrogen", with positive repercussions on growth and employment, said the CEO of Snam, Marco Alverà. A "precious" element that therefore must be valued: just think that "a kg of hydrogen heats a family for two days, makes a car walk for 130 km, produces 9 tons of steel", explained the president of Snam, Luca Dal Fabbro. The potential of hydrogen is now recognized internationally. "He is a very good friend, who will allow us to find solutions to the main challenges posed by climate change," remarked the director of the International Energy Agency Fatih Birol, who urged governments to "work to eliminate obstacles" . The conference was also attended by the Minister of Economic Development, Stefano Patuanelli, who said in this regard that "a pact with companies is necessary", even if not written but "linked to the recognition of their role in the country". Patuanelli said he was confident about "the possibility of grasping the potential of the challenges and opportunities offered by this transition". The Snam-McKinsey study makes the figures: "in Italy hydrogen could cover almost a quarter of the total energy demand in 2050 in a scenario of 95% decarbonisation ". In this wake Snam signed two agreements on sustainable energy and innovation. The first is a memorandum of understanding with the Israel Innovation Authority aimed at fostering collaboration between Snam and Israeli companies, in particular start-ups, in innovative technologies at the service of the green economy The second is a Snam-CNR framework agreement aimed at planning and analyst common standards for the development of hydrogen and, in general, of renewable gases and sustainable modes. The collaboration, in particular, provides for the launch of a joint working group to evaluate compatibility studies of increasing amounts of hydrogen in gas and mobility infrastructures, analysis of carbon dioxide capture, transport and storage processes, new studies technologies in the biomethane sector and in general of low-carbon gas. Among Snam's projects there is also the "plastic less" program to eliminate plastic from packaging by 2023 and from 2020 delete it, in the single-use version, from beverage distributors in all national offices. The group has also created an Observatory dedicated to the analysis of ESG factors (environmental, social and governance)."

There are also alternatives to electric traction, in the US i do not know but we have been going to LPG and CNG for many years ... they are cheap and pollute little.
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:48 pm quote
Attila wrote:
http://www.ansa.it/canale_ambiente/notizie/postit/Snam/2019/10/10/snam-lancia-lidrogeno-per-unitalia-green-e-leader_fa92c2ad-e1e3-45d8-8266-ba1fc3be1df7.html

"Snam, the Italian company that manages the gas network, launches, even more convinced, into the challenge to make hydrogen energy of the future. By the end of the year, the numbers of experimentation that mixes 10% natural gas and hydrogen from the initial 5% will double. And it does so by choosing the South: the transmission network of Contursi Terme (Salerno). The news was announced at the "The hydrogen challenge" event. The initiative was also attended by the President of the Council, Giuseppe Conte. "We need to launch concrete and rapid action in Italy to achieve the same results with hydrogen as we did with wind power, thus recovering the gap that separates us from some Northern European countries," the prime minister said. And he added: "Italy has the human reserves and the technological competences to win, in a short time, this challenge". On the other hand, pointed out Conte, the Peninsula "expresses realities of absolute importance on an international level, such as Snam, which have been able to anticipate the times and anticipate trends". Hydrogen is not only synonymous with clean energy and development, for Italy it can be even more: a lever for relaunching the South. "It is precisely the regions of Southern Italy, from Campania to Puglia to Sicily, rich in renewable energy, those that could favor the emergence of hydrogen", with positive repercussions on growth and employment, said the CEO of Snam, Marco Alverà. A "precious" element that therefore must be valued: just think that "a kg of hydrogen heats a family for two days, makes a car walk for 130 km, produces 9 tons of steel", explained the president of Snam, Luca Dal Fabbro. The potential of hydrogen is now recognized internationally. "He is a very good friend, who will allow us to find solutions to the main challenges posed by climate change," remarked the director of the International Energy Agency Fatih Birol, who urged governments to "work to eliminate obstacles" . The conference was also attended by the Minister of Economic Development, Stefano Patuanelli, who said in this regard that "a pact with companies is necessary", even if not written but "linked to the recognition of their role in the country". Patuanelli said he was confident about "the possibility of grasping the potential of the challenges and opportunities offered by this transition". The Snam-McKinsey study makes the figures: "in Italy hydrogen could cover almost a quarter of the total energy demand in 2050 in a scenario of 95% decarbonisation ". In this wake Snam signed two agreements on sustainable energy and innovation. The first is a memorandum of understanding with the Israel Innovation Authority aimed at fostering collaboration between Snam and Israeli companies, in particular start-ups, in innovative technologies at the service of the green economy The second is a Snam-CNR framework agreement aimed at planning and analyst common standards for the development of hydrogen and, in general, of renewable gases and sustainable modes. The collaboration, in particular, provides for the launch of a joint working group to evaluate compatibility studies of increasing amounts of hydrogen in gas and mobility infrastructures, analysis of carbon dioxide capture, transport and storage processes, new studies technologies in the biomethane sector and in general of low-carbon gas. Among Snam's projects there is also the "plastic less" program to eliminate plastic from packaging by 2023 and from 2020 delete it, in the single-use version, from beverage distributors in all national offices. The group has also created an Observatory dedicated to the analysis of ESG factors (environmental, social and governance)."

There are also alternatives to electric traction, in the US i do not know but we have been going to LPG and CNG for many years ... they are cheap and pollute little.
We have quite similar initistives here:, ours', the Finnish goverment is pushing both bio oils and bio gas, especially waste-based recycled oils and gas a lot...as an alternative for traditional combustion engines. It is of course good, better than the current system, but not the ultimate solution either. We do have bio gas powered cars around here, but they are a small minority.

Hydrogen and fuel cells as an energy source for electric cars are interesting too, but they have their downside. In addition to practical challenges with the distribution and storage network, the production today eats quite a lot of electricity - and that has to come from somewhere
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:18 am quote
It would of been far easier learning the electric unicycle (EUC) if I just did 30 mins a day but I didn't have that option. The guy who owned the wheel was available to teach me that afternoon and I didn't want to waste his time. I honestly felt quite beat up as I lay in the bath afterwards. It was worth it though!

Most EUC will stop as fast as a bicycle. They don't have brakes per se but the motors use power regeneration to slow you. The further you lean back then the faster they stop.

I hear of quite a few folk who have an EUC as their only transport. They are probably closest to an electric bicycle in nature but they're small enough to store in your hallway. They are also small enough to bring inside when you arrive at your destination so there's less worry about it getting stolen. They also work quite well off road so they're useful for exploring fire trails etc. You don't currently need insurance or road tax and they cost almost nothing to run. Quite a few people use them for commuting but it helps if you either have quite roads or good cycle lanes.
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Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:12 pm quote
So Harley figured out no one wanted to pay $30k+ for a bike that would only go 75 miles and didn’t make a lot of noise. Shocking.
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Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:42 pm quote
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So Harley figured out no one wanted to pay $30k+ for a bike that would only go 75 miles and didn’t make a lot of noise. Shocking.
Bingo!
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Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:30 pm quote
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So Harley figured out no one wanted to pay $30k+ for a bike that would only go 75 miles and didn’t make a lot of noise. Shocking.
The news release said they were suspending (not stopping) production while they solve a problem with the bikes wall-power charger and have asked users not to use it. It didn't announce a resolution data.

But I agree whole-heartedly that $30K is a killer given that Zero's top of the line bike is 1/2 the cost and they have a pretty good track record.

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Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:12 pm quote
Such
I don't think that the problem is that they can't sell them but as Miguel says it's the charging unit that's at fault.

This may be lazy writing but I'm pretty certain that there are a fair amount of prospective Leccy Harley owners out there as they are already paying a premium for their bikes as $30,000 isn't far off what they are paying already.

I've heard that the Zero's are really good also which begs a question -

Is the Harley priced there because it's what the manufacturer thinks that the customer will pay or does it reflect just how much Harley Davidson have invested into this project ?

Here's a thought. Battery technology advances far more than engine technology so maybe we're all waiting for it to plateau a bit before we commit ?

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Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:19 am quote
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Here's a thought. Battery technology advances far more than engine technology so maybe we're all waiting for it to plateau a bit before we commit ?
Yes, battery technology is advancing - AND the unit cost of many components for electric vehicles is going down - SO electric vehicles continue to gain in value as capabilities go up and costs come down. Seems like this is a time to wait for that better value, though I do see an electric scooter in my future.
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:24 am quote
Sounds like
Sounds like the problem is the way the battery behaves when using the charger. Possibly overheating. If they are suspending production of the bike, then it is not exclusively a charger problem. Presuming they are using the standard cell-stacks, the battery charge controller needs to manage almost down to the indivdual cell level. Perhaps their controller is the problem.

I suspect Harley charges $30K because that is the lowest they can charge and still make a profit. Harley does not have the luxury of selling the bikes at a loss. Pretty much all the mainstream car manufacturers sell their electric cars at a loss, according to most industry experts. And it appears that Tesla is doing the same thing, judging by their losses. According to reports, they lost almost a billion dollars in the first half of 2019, and there is little to suggest that they've turned it around. Elon has claimed profitable quarters before, but almost certainly those have been accounting flim-flams. Possibly Porsche will be one of the first to sell each car at a profit.

I'm still keeping an eye on the Lightning Strike, at around $13K to start. Manufactured in the US out of Chinese-sourced parts, it will be a market-changer if it can provide the promised performance at the promised price.

Huge improvements in battery tech are almost certain, even in the next five years. Hopefully new batteries can be retrofit to existing vehicles.
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:26 pm quote
Charging
I made a quick visit to London, England.

I was impressed of this practical conversion of a street lamp to an EV charging point - would be just perfect for a small battery 2-wheeler...if those could be parked at the side of a street in London without them getting stolen

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Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:17 am quote
A few years back I helped a guy convert his vintage Vespa (with no motor) to a hub motor electric scoot.
It had the chassis loaded with lithium batteries and flat hauled ass, with no shifting and such.
WAY faster than any Vespa and had a pretty good range, but I don’t know how far it actually went.
The future is fun!
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:11 pm quote
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You didn't get any pictures of the installation did you ?

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Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:36 pm quote
Slightly OT - but apparently there'll soon be a drop-in EV motor for cars and light vans: https://jalopnik.com/finally-an-electric-crate-motor-you-can-drop-into-your-1839168140
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:01 pm quote
I really like this idea of a drop in EV motor. Thanks for posting.

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Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:29 pm quote
Yamaha will have a show sometime this month. all the bikes that they have unveiled so far are all electric.
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:52 pm quote
Re: Such
Bill Dog wrote:
Is the Harley priced there because it's what the manufacturer thinks that the customer will pay or does it reflect just how much Harley Davidson have invested into this project ?
The former.

Have you test ridden a Zero yet, Bill?

I know we discussed it when we last met.

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Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:02 am quote
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No not yet.

I'm not sure that I want one enough right now.

My feeling is that this is a very experimental stage of electric vehicle development and now isn't the time to buy and I don't want a novelty in my garage.

I'm not suggesting that they don't have a place in the market but until you don't have to wait 40 mins for it to charge it's going to be limited to short range only.

A fossil fueled machine makes so much more sense right now.

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Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:16 pm quote
It's not far from where I'm at, too.

My own needs for a PTW are moving towards the capability of EVs.

Theyr aren't quite meeting me in the middle yet, but it's close. I

have test ridden a Zero and been very impressed.

I don't have the resources to be an early adopter.

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Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:56 pm quote
I'm off to Taipei in a couple of weeks and my want for a gogoro has not waned:
https://www.gogoro.com/smartscooter/s-performance/s2/
Been scheming of ways to disassemble the scoot and shipping the parts separately in an LCL shipment...

There's over 200K gogoros in Taiwan now, but there's still no way to access the swapable battery stations anywhere outside... This thing would be perfect for getting myself to the farmers market, the kids to the soccer games, alas... I'm still in the wrong country.
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:58 pm quote
As soon as the range of an EV scoot allows me to do the Three Peaks Challenge at full tilt (just under 300 miles for me) then I'll jump on one.
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Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:07 am quote
jimc wrote:
As soon as the range of an EV scoot allows me to do the Three Peaks Challenge at full tilt (just under 300 miles for me) then I'll jump on one.
What petrol scooters would pass your test?
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Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:16 am quote
Bajaj re-enters the scooter market with an electric scoot! May deliver to Europe, no word on exports to the US.

https://electrek.co/2019/10/18/bajaj-e-chetak-electric-scooter-vespa/
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Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:46 am quote
And I just found a stack of Bajaj stickers in a junk drawer! It must be a sign. Glad to see them back and I hope they come back to the states. Just need dealers who are passionate for the products. Saw the Vespa E-scooter (Electra?) in person. To much money for 25mph! Bajaj looks to correct that on all counts.
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