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1962 Vespa 150
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Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:14 pm quote
A friend acquired a 1962 Vespa 150 in a trade. Neither of us know much about it but it appears to be in EXCELLENT shape, and has less than 900 miles. Can someone view the pictures attached and tell me more about it and it's approximate worth?

Thanks, Wayne

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Molto Verboso
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1996 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
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Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:23 pm quote
Can he return it?? Unfortunately he got a vietbodge. Itís basically a polished turd that could ďexplodeĒ anytime soon...

Examples for educational purposes...

http://www.thevespawizard.com.au/the_black_vbb.htm

http://www.baritaliaclassics.com/Site/Vietbodge.html

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Things to Consider before Buying a Vintage Vespa
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1962 Vespa 150
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Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:52 pm quote
Can you tell me what gave this away as a problem?
Molto Verboso
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1996 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
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Location: Veria, Greece
Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:59 pm quote
The wrong era accessories on the scooter, 10Ē wheels, too much chrome and the two tone paint job. Itís a typical Vietnamese import giveaway. Iím sure others will chime in and tell you the same...
Hooked
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Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:22 pm quote
Questions on scooter
Well unfortunately, what has been said is true. I also have one...I call it my viet cong special. I have disassembled most if not all of the scooter. The only thing I have not addressed is the engine. I am about to do that as well. So far i have been lucky. I have not found a smoking gun.
There has been plenty of info on this forum addressing your questions. Read up. Thanks scott
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1962 Vespa 150
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Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:31 am quote
Well, that's a bummer. Surely a pretty, shiny, pile of parts like this has some value? I'll talk to him about his next step. Perhaps get a mechanic to do some "due diligence" on engine, tranny, brakes.
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Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:35 am quote
It's only worth what someone is prepared to pay. Even the separate parts are likely to be either damaged and badly repaired (engine and bodywork) or poor quality (accessories and aftermarket engine parts).

As a complete scooter, it may be worth more as a display piece in a coffee shop or Italian restaurant.
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1979 P200E
Joined: 01 Jan 2018
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Location: Houston
Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:39 am quote
6speeder wrote:
Well, that's a bummer. Surely a pretty, shiny, pile of parts like this has some value? I'll talk to him about his next step. Perhaps get a mechanic to do some "due diligence" on engine, tranny, brakes.
The unfortunate thing is that the cost/work to undo the bodging can be quite high. Some bodges may have OK engines that can be salvaged, but generally the people that turn these over quickly don't really care about the condition as long as it looks good and barely runs enough to sell fast. If the engine is bad, I'd go as far as to say that the purchase may be a total loss. We don't yet know anything about the engine, but front and rear half of the frame are two totally different scoots (you can easily tell by because it has two glove boxes). Who knows how well the welding was on that frame; good or bad, it was covered by shiny paint.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:05 pm quote
6speeder wrote:
Perhaps get a mechanic to do some "due diligence" on engine, tranny, brakes.
You'll probably have trouble finding a proper scooter mechanic who is willing to work on it. They avoid them like the plague because nobody really wants to pay what it costs to fix them properly. And if they are not fixed properly then the mechanic gets blamed for a scooter that will continually have problems. So they reject them to save their own reputation as much as anything.
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99 PX125e
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:20 am quote
Just reading this thread as a casual observer with zero experience of vintage Vespa's (two PX's for me)... I feel the pain of the OP - to the uninitiated (me), it looks like a nice scoot.

I've been hankering after a decent VBB - nothing too sorted, nor too shabby, as a 2019 project, but having read this, feel I need to tread very carefully.

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Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:14 am quote
RiffRaff, easier said than done, but it's worth trying to find a Sportique here in the UK. It was based on the VBB and you may find that a UK supplied and registered scoot is the way to go. You'll hopefully avoid the bodges too.
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Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:20 pm quote
6speeder wrote:
Can you tell me what gave this away as a problem?
Please put in some effort & READ THIS...
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EVERYTHING you need to know is there!
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1962 Vespa 150
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Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:05 am quote
SubEtherBASS wrote:
6speeder wrote:
Can you tell me what gave this away as a problem?
Please put in some effort & READ THIS...
Bodgespotting

EVERYTHING you need to know is there!
THANK YOU... I think. Although at this point and the way you are presenting this it's more like you're shaking your finger at me. Enough already.
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1979 P200e
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Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:45 am quote
You might also want to read Slashy's thoroughly documented experience with knowingly getting a "bodge".

http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic149862

Though I do believe that his pics might not be visible any more......
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2008 GTS 250, 1979 P200E
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Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:25 am quote
Hey 6Speeder - Welcome to ModernVespa!

There are so many different Vespa's through the years with subtle differences. Some people are experts in those differences. I am not. I am learning though. I've found if it looks shiny and has low miles, it's probably a bodge, but not always.

Here is another site that gives you info on various models of Vespas through the years. It's been helpful to learn about the different models and styles (8" wheels, Small Frame, Large Frame, etc, etc.) http://scooterlounge.com/vespa/buyers-guide/vespa-vbb.shtml

I hope this helps!
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1979 P200E
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Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:39 am quote
6speeder wrote:
SubEtherBASS wrote:
6speeder wrote:
Can you tell me what gave this away as a problem?
Please put in some effort & READ THIS...
Bodgespotting

EVERYTHING you need to know is there!
THANK YOU... I think. Although at this point and the way you are presenting this it's more like you're shaking your finger at me. Enough already.
Sorry, 6speeder; we're not trying to harp on you and slap your hand. It is just sad to us to see someone get taken advantage of by this virus, especially when you are passionate about your hobby. It unfortunately seems to happen a lot from what I've seen and we want to try to deter others from the same mistake.
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Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:04 am quote
Welcome to the forum and good luck with your situation. Hopefully you can get things sorted out and get some use/value from the scoot.

Personally, I would avoid riding the scoot until someone knowledgeable gives the frame a thorough inspection. If in fact the front and back are from two different scoots, you have some critical welds/supports that may or may not be there.

If done right, the scoot could ride nicely and safely. If done improperly, a simple ride on the scoot could easily kill you on the first major bump in the road when traveling at speed.

Best.
Molto Verboso
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1996 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
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Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:19 am quote
JP, even if the frame turns out OK, there's always the chance that the fork could snap anytime and kill the rider. If I recall I read on a Facebook group a few months back, that someone died with a SEA Lambretta in the US. His fork snapped while on the highway, he was "catapulted" to ongoing traffic and killed by passing cars. Can't find the link now...

Another fine example of SEA imports...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/35987984@N00/albums/72157600026363625/page1
Ossessionato
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Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:31 pm quote
SaFiS wrote:
JP, even if the frame turns out OK, there's always the chance that the fork could snap anytime and kill the rider. If I recall I read on a Facebook group a few months back, that someone died with a SEA Lambretta in the US. His fork snapped while on the highway, he was "catapulted" to ongoing traffic and killed by passing cars. Can't find the link now...

Another fine example of SEA imports...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/35987984@N00/albums/72157600026363625/page1
Truth. I was only pointing out the potential frame issue as it was noted the bodge was built from halves of two different scooters.

Probably a few other high-danger potentials as well.
Hooked
Vespa PX 125 Settantesimo
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Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:39 pm quote
deja vu
Is it me or is this literally the mirror of a previous thread where someone bought a scooter and a "friend" is helping them trying to solve the situation and they got arsey with the information given?
Ossessionato
LX150, GTS300, BV350, EN650
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Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:15 pm quote
Re: deja vu
johnymoore wrote:
Is it me or is this literally the mirror of a previous thread where someone bought a scooter and a "friend" is helping them trying to solve the situation and they got arsey with the information given?
Similar, but not quite.

Think about it though. If you'd just unsuspectingly dropped thousands on the gorgeous looking bodge (read Vespa) of your dreams, and a dozen or so guys start telling you you've been had, you'd probably be touchy about it too.

I know I sure as hell would.
Molto Verboso
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Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:24 pm quote
He certainly can be pissed, but not at those giving him the answer to his question. Don't shoot the messenger.
Hooked
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Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:47 am quote
Not meaning to be argumentative or doubting the bodginess, but couldn't you add a front glove box without cutting the front half off another machine ?
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Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:08 am quote
I very much doubt that every bodge is a cut 'n shut, but it has been known for the front and back ends of different scooters to be welded together, and when it happens, it's not done very well.

The legshield glovebox doesn't belong on Sprints, Supers and VBBs, but the bodgers seem to like attaching them to every scooter they 'build'.
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1962 Vespa 150
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Location: Albuquerque, NM, USA
Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:10 am quote
OK then. I appreciate the knowledge you all have given me. That's why I came on here. I now know more about my friend's scoot than I wish. LOL

BTW, I AM a scooter owner and rider, just not a vintage scoot. I ride a 2016 Lance 125 Cali Classic. It will go ALMOST 60 mph and gets 90 MPG city driving (no freeway riding for this lil gal).

Cheers to all.
Wayne
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Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:16 am quote
6speeder wrote:
OK then. I appreciate the knowledge you all have given me. That's why I came on here. I now know more about my friend's scoot than I wish. LOL

BTW, I AM a scooter owner and rider, just not a vintage scoot. I ride a 2016 Lance 125 Cali Classic. It will go ALMOST 60 mph and gets 90 MPG city driving (no freeway riding for this lil gal).

Cheers to all.
Wayne
Again, welcome and hope to see you around. This is a scooter forum first and foremost and we welcome riders of all makes and models. Wish the best for your friend. Let us know how things turn out?
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