For those who own both - What % scooter riding, what % MC?
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Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:06 pm quote
I have both a motorcycle and scooters. The last few months, about 2/3 (67%) of my rides are on scooters. However, I tend to ride 3 times as many miles each time I ride the MC.

How does your riding get spread around and when do you decide to take what, where?
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Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:32 pm quote
I love my Vespa, but generally I ride it only when my wife rides hers. We have great fun riding together, but it is really just joy riding, and we do not travel far.

For covering long distances at high speed, such as my weekly 300-mile round trip commute, I ride my motorcycle (or drive my car).

My 2015 Vespa has about 3,000 miles on it, whereas my 2018 BMW RT that I bought just a few months ago already has about twice that...
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:53 am quote
I've solved that problem by trading in one of each for a machine that is both. Namely the Kymco AK550. It has scooter bodywork and storage and scooter twist and go controls, clean toothed belt final drive. But it also has motorcycle suspension, Brembo brakes, well over 100 mph top speed with better acceleration than my modern Triumph 900 twin. So far every mile of riding has been pure pleasure. At a time of year when the Triumph would have stayed unused in the garage for weeks if not months the Kymco gets a run out at least once a week.
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:23 am quote
In my case I guess about 50/50. The odometer on both in the last year is about 7 k each however I have done much longer trips on the 650 than the Vespa. In the city I suppose I hop on the Vespa more often for day to day as it is easier to get around on and filters better. If I know I'm going a long distance or need the extra storage capacity almost always the BMW. In many ways it is my car replacement. Wife wants a new tree stand? No problem....


PS - great tree stand. Will never use another!

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Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:41 am quote
There’s a scooter and a Yamaha R6 in the garage. The scooter logs about 6000 miles a year, the R6 less than 500.....
That about spells it out, 90/10(ish)...
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:25 am quote
For me it's about 60% Scooter 40% motorcycle. I ride my scooter to work and in bad weather. I ride my motorcycle when I'm not working and on weekends to reduce the mileage on my scooter.
Molto Verboso
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:44 am quote
Two Scooter Solution
Like many of you, I learned to ride on a motorcycle. Although motorcycles are cool, I am kind of moving past shifting and heavy weight.

I use my Vespa GTS300 around town and my Suzuki Burgman for longer
cruising rides. I find the foot forward and short lumbar support on the Burgman more confortable for longer rides.

I was really pleased when Vespa started offering the larger engine capacity models that afforded the ability to get up and go on the freeway. The previous Vespa 150 models just did not give this 200 lbs rider the get up and go I needed.

"The Tale of Two Scooters"

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I do take the Vespa on long rides.

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My ride of choice on long cruises Suzuki Burgman 400

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Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:37 am quote
80/20
Vespa/Motorcycle

The GTS is my main form of transportation in the city, so it is in action most of my ride time. The motorcycle is for "stretching my legs" outside of the city for day trips or for longer rides.

That said, I realize more and more that the Vespa is simply more practical than the motorcycle (I really miss the leg protection when it is raining while on the motorcycle). Plus, I don't feel so badly about messing with the lines of the Vespa while adding a topcase or strapping things to it. A topcase on a naked sport bike... well, it just isn't right in my eyes, so I'm always carrying my helmet and packed items every time I stop. That sucks.

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Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:05 am quote
SnookerInBerlin wrote:
80/20
Vespa/Motorcycle

The GTS is my main form of transportation in the city, so it is in action most of my ride time. The motorcycle is for "stretching my legs" outside of the city for day trips or for longer rides.

That said, I realize more and more that the Vespa is simply more practical than the motorcycle (I really miss the leg protection when it is raining while on the motorcycle). Plus, I don't feel so badly about messing with the lines of the Vespa while adding a topcase or strapping things to it. A topcase on a naked sport bike... well, it just isn't right in my eyes, so I'm always carrying my helmet and packed items every time I stop. That sucks.
Love what you've done with the GTS!

I have panniers on my Duc, so actually more storage on the bike. After riding several times in Europe with a top case, I might just have to get one for Lucrezia. Oh, and I'm probably 60/40 GTS.
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:27 am quote
wmak wrote:
Love what you've done with the GTS!

I have panniers on my Duc, so actually more storage on the bike. After riding several times in Europe with a top case, I might just have to get one for Lucrezia. Oh, and I'm probably 60/40 GTS.
Agree! The GTS looks awesome!

I went with the C650GT for many of the reasons SnookerInBerlin brings up. I wanted a bigger bike but did not want to give up the benefits of a scoot. Still for so many reasons I find myself getting on the Vespa. Piaggio to date has been very good about not making drastic changes to the Vespa line and I'm sure many of us hope it stays that way. Nothing else is a Vespa.
Molto Verboso
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:48 am quote
Nice Combination
SnookerinBerlin,

Nice combination of Wheels. You may have the Scooter/Motorcycle for
all occasions. Also, the Suzuki is amazingly reliable. My Suzuki Burgman is
11 years old with 40k miles. The Suzuki has only required routine maintenance without any mechanical issues.

Roadster,

I looked at the Kymco AK550 on U-Tube. Wow, what an impressive Maxi-Scooter. You really get the scooter feel and all the long legs that a motorcycle can provide.

Giddy Up,

Bob Copeland
Frost Bite Falls Minnesota
(All my Scoots are sleeping in the barn for the Winter)
Molto Verboso
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:04 pm quote
I have Kymco 550 envy...
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:32 pm quote
Trips or miles?
In terms of trips, the scooters go out 3 or 4 times as often as the bike (FJR1300). For any trips in town, either the SH150 or the BV350 (depending on how much Interstate is involved) get the nod. Both have far more storage that the FJR (unless I mount the side bags) so runs to the grocery store, hardware store, gym, farmer's market, library, etc. are scooters.

But I put about twice as much mileage on the bike as I put on the scooters combined. When the FJR comes out, I generally run through a tank of fuel (220 miles ) or more. Comfortable, fast, and begs to keep going. I wish my aging body could stand to ride all day.

I've also become addicted to the bike's electrically adjustable (while riding) windshield. Probably impractical on a scooter. Easy to adjust airflow as the day warms, or pop it all the way up on cool mornings.

Probably shouldn't admit it, but I tend to wear more protective gear on the bike as well. On the scooters, a helmet and (sometimes) gloves are it. The bike gets armored jacket and boots added. So I can gear up for a scooter ride on the walk out to the garage. Bike rides take a little longer.
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:30 pm quote
I put around 16,000 miles on a Honda NC700X, then loaned it to a friend who put another 5,000. Then sold it to him.

So I now put 0% on motorcycles.
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Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:06 pm quote
95/5 Moto/Scoot
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:44 am quote
90 Motorcycle
10 Scooters.
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:17 am quote
These days it's about 50/50. There was a time it was 100% scooter but then I rode my late wife's Rebel and the bike bug bit hard and I found a bike that was easy to deal with.
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:17 am quote
Scooter vs MC Riding
I ride 50-50. I ride my scooter to commute and my MC for other riding. I don't own a car.

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Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:18 am quote
sold the motorcycle cause it wasn't getting ridden but to get an inspection sticker each year and bought the scooter and a riding lawn mower...

motorcycle
--no one around to go on motorcycle rides with
--no time to ride much really...pretty much limited to some weekends
--enjoyable riding season is short here and can be very hot
--my 43 mile one way commute (99% highway) to/from work through a state capital is dangerous and not enjoyable

scooter
--scooter takes up less space in the garage
--cheaper cost
--cheaper to operate
--easier to move around the garage
--gets me around town in a fun, quick, efficient manner...now i'm more worried about theft...don't have much time to ride the scooter a ton but it's much more enjoyable when i do have time for a rip

the percentage would have been 1% vs 99% if i owned them concurrently...and even then we aren't talking about many miles cause i get into a lot of stuff during riding season...basically it's easier to justify owning a scooter than a motorcycle for the amount of time i get to ride it
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:37 am quote
When I had both (I sold the scooters but still hang out here because I like scooters, and I like the MV crowd) I rode the motorcycle a lot more. I didn't have a car at that time so the motorcycle was ridden everyday and the scooter for fun. The motorcycle easily got 95%+ of the miles. BUT... there were two years when the motorcycle was down for extended periods of time. One year, I had to disassemble it completely and repair a cracked frame, the next year, I cracked an engine case and was down for about 6 months again that year. Those years, my P200E got about 50% of the miles.

-Craig
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:35 am quote
When I had both in the garage, I split riding 50/50. I would take same trips on either, cause I just like to ride, didn't matter to me scooter or motorcycle. Bigger bikes are getting too big and heavy for me, so I am downsizing. Now have a new Honda CB300R and my trusty Moto Guzzi V7 III, which I might have to let go in a year or so. I sold my BV350 and Zuma 125 last summer, so now just 2 motorcycles. Scooters (at least of the 7 I have had since 1965) have horrible rear suspension for my old back, so until I find one that doesn't beat me, I might not get another.
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:16 pm quote
Before I traded the CTX for a new GTS it was 90% of my rides were on one of the scoots. Though most of my rides on the motorcycle were long tours like New England to Texas, Texas to California and back with lots of national parks in-between. I've done some of the same and equally long trips on scooters though and I was tired of how much room the motorcycle took up in the garage.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:47 pm quote
Answering in the past tense, my previous MC saw less and less action and went bye bye to Ohiho in exchange for USD which crossed the border into Canada for my new scoot-my 100% ride.
I do still own several MC but will keep only the BMW R75/5 as a day tripper.
Next month it's 100% MC in Mexico-I am being given a choice of a Caviga Elephante dual-sport or a BMW 100RT. Hmm?

I'll miss my Vespa this trip but not like love is lost.
I like changing gears! but in the larger scheme of riding it's all about what you enjoy the most at a given time in life.
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Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:35 pm quote
Sold my last mc this fall. My BV350 has seen almost 10,000 miles this year.
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:56 am quote
With 2 motorcycles and one scoot I seem to be about even mileage wise, right around 5K each the last few years. I ride the scooter the most but the higher mile rides usually go to the motorcycles. This might change now that my scoot is 500cc.
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:51 am quote
Re: Scooter vs MC Riding
alloo wrote:
I ride 50-50. I ride my scooter to commute and my MC for other riding. I don't own a car.
Great looking bike alloo! Honda CB500X?
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:08 am quote
Point37 wrote:
sold the motorcycle cause it wasn't getting ridden but to get an inspection sticker each year and bought the scooter and a riding lawn mower...

motorcycle
--no one around to go on motorcycle rides with
--no time to ride much really...pretty much limited to some weekends
--enjoyable riding season is short here and can be very hot
--my 43 mile one way commute (99% highway) to/from work through a state capital is dangerous and not enjoyable

scooter
--scooter takes up less space in the garage
--cheaper cost
--cheaper to operate
--easier to move around the garage
--gets me around town in a fun, quick, efficient manner...now i'm more worried about theft...don't have much time to ride the scooter a ton but it's much more enjoyable when i do have time for a rip

the percentage would have been 1% vs 99% if i owned them concurrently...and even then we aren't talking about many miles cause i get into a lot of stuff during riding season...basically it's easier to justify owning a scooter than a motorcycle for the amount of time i get to ride it
How many miles do you put on the riding lawnmower?
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:14 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
Point37 wrote:
sold the motorcycle cause it wasn't getting ridden but to get an inspection sticker each year and bought the scooter and a riding lawn mower...

motorcycle
--no one around to go on motorcycle rides with
--no time to ride much really...pretty much limited to some weekends
--enjoyable riding season is short here and can be very hot
--my 43 mile one way commute (99% highway) to/from work through a state capital is dangerous and not enjoyable

scooter
--scooter takes up less space in the garage
--cheaper cost
--cheaper to operate
--easier to move around the garage
--gets me around town in a fun, quick, efficient manner...now i'm more worried about theft...don't have much time to ride the scooter a ton but it's much more enjoyable when i do have time for a rip

the percentage would have been 1% vs 99% if i owned them concurrently...and even then we aren't talking about many miles cause i get into a lot of stuff during riding season...basically it's easier to justify owning a scooter than a motorcycle for the amount of time i get to ride it
How many miles do you put on the riding lawnmower?
not sure...haven't got an odometer only an hour meter...also haven't had it for a full season yet...but it sure beats a push mower
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:51 am quote
For years I owned a couple of motorcycles and a scooter. I found myself riding the motorcycles less and less. I decided that I would be better off with 2 rides (around town and rural roads/highways) which more or less operated the same, i.e. with a CVT and hand brakes. Accordingly I owned an LX and a BV350 for several years. I concluded more recently that virtually all the riding I was doing with both scooters could be done with a GTS. Now a GTS is my primary ride, though my wife and I do have two 125s which we take camping and the like.
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:33 pm quote
I guess this will be a year to check out the percentages. I had a Honda CB500F, which I just didn't like, so sold it and bought the T-Max. Now, I've just bought a V-Strom 650. A much different, and much better, bike than the Honda, incl the CB500X IMHO.

I'm planning on some longer trips thus the M/C, though I know the TMax will do long distances as will smaller / other scoots. But the Strom is a great bike and it will be fun to have both.
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:40 pm quote
My daily ride used to be the 1200GS, but since buying the Vespa,
I now only use the 1200GS for intercity travel.

Recently bought a bike I have lusted over for years - BMW R9T Urban G/S.
I got a very good deal from my favourite dealer and trade assist from the distributor.
So my 1200GS will be denigrated to a few long rides annually, as my R9T can do the intercity rides now.

I now have 5 BMW motorcycles as well as my Vespa.
I am not riding the older airhead models so I guess I will start selling off soon.
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Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:46 am quote
I'm probably 90-10 scooter/motorcycle and that's primarily because I commute on a scooter. I only use the motorcycle for weekend fun when I can free up some time. For me the scooter has a purpose and the motorcycle is just a toy.
Molto Verboso
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Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:49 am quote
M-F work commute = motorcycles

(here and there I ride the vespa to work)

Weekends = mostly vespa.

Grocery Shopping = Always Vespa - load that thing up!
Molto Verboso
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Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:03 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
Point37 wrote:
sold the motorcycle cause it wasn't getting ridden but to get an inspection sticker each year and bought the scooter and a riding lawn mower...

motorcycle
--no one around to go on motorcycle rides with
--no time to ride much really...pretty much limited to some weekends
--enjoyable riding season is short here and can be very hot
--my 43 mile one way commute (99% highway) to/from work through a state capital is dangerous and not enjoyable

scooter
--scooter takes up less space in the garage
--cheaper cost
--cheaper to operate
--easier to move around the garage
--gets me around town in a fun, quick, efficient manner...now i'm more worried about theft...don't have much time to ride the scooter a ton but it's much more enjoyable when i do have time for a rip

the percentage would have been 1% vs 99% if i owned them concurrently...and even then we aren't talking about many miles cause i get into a lot of stuff during riding season...basically it's easier to justify owning a scooter than a motorcycle for the amount of time i get to ride it
How many miles do you put on the riding lawnmower?
My Husqvarna does ~ 6-8 mph and annual hour meter runs ~ 50 hours which seems to = 3-400 miles. YUK!
BTW, I normally have little interest in lawnmower discussions and back when I worked I found them not too my liking and never engaged in such wasted time. I also have zero interest in lawns, I mow a meadow as seen from our kitchen sink window and what passes for a yard-> cause I have too...
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Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:10 pm quote
100% motorcycle. I haven’t ridden the GTS in three or more years. My wife still rides the scooter.



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Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:15 pm quote
100 % motorcycle. Sylvie still rides the GTS but I haven’t ridden it in years.



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Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:14 pm quote
0% motorcycle.

Anyone interested in a '81 BMW R100RS? Haven't run it since I had it revived 5 years ago then drained the fluids for transport and parked it after I moved back to California.

Basically, I never bothered to get it running again because it's too tall and heavy (for me), and hot to be a daily driver.

I've gotten three scooters since I bought the BMW.
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Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:51 am quote
Kantuckid wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
Point37 wrote:
sold the motorcycle cause it wasn't getting ridden but to get an inspection sticker each year and bought the scooter and a riding lawn mower...

motorcycle
--no one around to go on motorcycle rides with
--no time to ride much really...pretty much limited to some weekends
--enjoyable riding season is short here and can be very hot
--my 43 mile one way commute (99% highway) to/from work through a state capital is dangerous and not enjoyable

scooter
--scooter takes up less space in the garage
--cheaper cost
--cheaper to operate
--easier to move around the garage
--gets me around town in a fun, quick, efficient manner...now i'm more worried about theft...don't have much time to ride the scooter a ton but it's much more enjoyable when i do have time for a rip

the percentage would have been 1% vs 99% if i owned them concurrently...and even then we aren't talking about many miles cause i get into a lot of stuff during riding season...basically it's easier to justify owning a scooter than a motorcycle for the amount of time i get to ride it
How many miles do you put on the riding lawnmower?
My Husqvarna does ~ 6-8 mph and annual hour meter runs ~ 50 hours which seems to = 3-400 miles. YUK!
BTW, I normally have little interest in lawnmower discussions and back when I worked I found them not too my liking and never engaged in such wasted time. I also have zero interest in lawns, I mow a meadow as seen from our kitchen sink window and what passes for a yard-> cause I have too...
i mow when i have to...i hate doing it but i wanted a tool that makes it faster to get done...i usually can't wait till it gets hot and the lawn is burnt to a crisp and i don't have to cut it until the fall and pick up leaves...i have to take better care of it but i won't be installing a sprinkler system just putting down some fertilizer here and there...at least the front yard should look a little better...the back yard gets jacked up by my 2 pitbulls so that will never look great
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