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Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:58 am quote
amateriat wrote:
And Now For Something Completely Different......would you believe, an electric superbike, with 6-speed manual, from Kymco?

https://imotorbike.my/news/en/2019/01/kymco-set-to-usher-into-2019-with-new-electric-superbike-supernex
Well, how is this for an idea? Riding an electric motorcycle across the US would certainly be a new thing.....AND its a KYMCO!

Of course, this summer is probably too soon, the bike is probably too expensive, and cross country is probably too many charging cycles. Still, it makes you think.
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:59 am quote
Bong
I'd give that ago if there were enough charging points.

I'm serious.

Bill x
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:18 pm quote
This guy did it (crossing USA) in 2012 with a Zero electric motorcycle : https://www.businessinsider.com/every-summer-i-take-long-road-trips-on-my-electric-motorcycle-2017-10
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:07 pm quote
Harley Davidson LiveWire.
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:13 pm quote
Go
No certain release date as for as I know.

Just checked - August 2019.

Bill x
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:19 pm quote
Ask
Does any know a really good shipper of motorcycles ?

In a trailer rather than strapped to a pallet.

Thanks

Bill x
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:46 pm quote
Postitive
Harley Davidson LiveWire will be priced at between $ 27,500 and $30,000.

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Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:37 am quote
VRoadScholar wrote:
This guy did it (crossing USA) in 2012 with a Zero electric motorcycle : https://www.businessinsider.com/every-summer-i-take-long-road-trips-on-my-electric-motorcycle-2017-10
it took 44 days!!! wow.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:29 pm quote
gopam wrote:
it took 44 days!!! wow.
He ran out of juice after about 90 minutes, which means a lot of down time.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:31 pm quote
Twang
And a very long cable.

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Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:36 am quote
Distance
Actually, that's a really good point.

At what mileage range would you consider swapping to an electrically powered bike ?

150 miles ?

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Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:06 am quote
My idea would be to have the batteries available to swap every 100 mi or so, the mfgs would just have to agree to standardize the batteries. Like a petrol/gas station, but with freshly charged batteries on hand.
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:37 am quote
Tics
Yes but this is where the Vespa and the Kymco may have a bit of a problem.

By the looks the batteries aren't removable.

Watch this space.

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Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:34 am quote
Re: Ask
Bill Dog wrote:
Does any know a really good shipper of motorcycles ?

In a trailer rather than strapped to a pallet.

Thanks

Bill x
I've used Haul Bikes http://haulbikes.com for shipping both motorcycles and scooters. They used fully enclosed trailers. They only haul bikes in the trailers (no other type of cargo). They've been super easy to use and always have been reliable. They show up when they say they will show up.

-Craig
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:37 am quote
Big
Thank you.

This is exceptionally helpful.

Logged, noted.

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Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:49 am quote
Bill Dog wrote:
At what mileage range would you consider swapping to an electrically powered bike ?
It's more than just mileage though isn't it. There's purchase price. There's how long do the batteries last and how much does it cost to replace them? Obviously electric scooters would be sold to city dwellers but not everyone in the city can plug their scooter in at home. Can you use the same charge ports as cars? Do they come with storage or is every square inch of space converted to battery. I like the idea of an electric bike. I like the idea of saving the planet while saving on fuel costs but then I suppose it depends what the batteries are made from. I've seen a couple of electric scooters on my daily commute and the people that ride them seem happy enough. I see far more people on electric kick scooters though - probably half a dozen just today and mostly the Xiaomi m365. At my last company there was a guy who came in on an electric one wheel device, a ninebot one s2, and, I must admit, I loved that thing but suspect I'd probably break my legs if I tried it.
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:04 pm quote
robinm wrote:
Bill Dog wrote:
At what mileage range would you consider swapping to an electrically powered bike ?
It's more than just mileage though isn't it. There's purchase price. There's how long do the batteries last and how much does it cost to replace them? Obviously electric scooters would be sold to city dwellers but not everyone in the city can plug their scooter in at home. Can you use the same charge ports as cars? Do they come with storage or is every square inch of space converted to battery. I like the idea of an electric bike. I like the idea of saving the planet while saving on fuel costs but then I suppose it depends what the batteries are made from. I've seen a couple of electric scooters on my daily commute and the people that ride them seem happy enough. I see far more people on electric kick scooters though - probably half a dozen just today and mostly the Xiaomi m365. At my last company there was a guy who came in on an electric one wheel device, a ninebot one s2, and, I must admit, I loved that thing but suspect I'd probably break my legs if I tried it.
wmak wrote:
My idea would be to have the batteries available to swap every 100 mi or so, the mfgs would just have to agree to standardize the batteries. Like a petrol/gas station, but with freshly charged batteries on hand.
Warren's (wmak's) solution has, I believe, got to be the answer to all these issues. ...although it obvious creates a whole other set of issues, but, really, at some point 50 or so years ago people must have decided "hey, let's just standardize D batteries, ok?"

The other nice thing about somewhat standardized batteries is that, with some admittedly complex planning, older bikes and cars could use improved batteries, so long as the newer batteries keep to a standard size etc.

Standardization impedes innovation, for sure, but at some point it seems a necessary step in making electric vehicles long-distance capable.
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:13 pm quote
I think swappable batteries are already here for scooters but obviously they haven't been widely accepted yet. Kymco so Bill will be happy.
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:22 pm quote
Clip
I'm never happy.

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Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:57 pm quote
Re: Clip
Bill Dog wrote:
I'm never happy.

Bill x
Well, yer British, so we sorta knew that.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/21/trump-america-sad-world-happiness-report
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:30 pm quote
tdrake wrote:
robinm wrote:
Bill Dog wrote:
At what mileage range would you consider swapping to an electrically powered bike ?
It's more than just mileage though isn't it. There's purchase price. There's how long do the batteries last and how much does it cost to replace them? Obviously electric scooters would be sold to city dwellers but not everyone in the city can plug their scooter in at home. Can you use the same charge ports as cars? Do they come with storage or is every square inch of space converted to battery. I like the idea of an electric bike. I like the idea of saving the planet while saving on fuel costs but then I suppose it depends what the batteries are made from. I've seen a couple of electric scooters on my daily commute and the people that ride them seem happy enough. I see far more people on electric kick scooters though - probably half a dozen just today and mostly the Xiaomi m365. At my last company there was a guy who came in on an electric one wheel device, a ninebot one s2, and, I must admit, I loved that thing but suspect I'd probably break my legs if I tried it.
wmak wrote:
My idea would be to have the batteries available to swap every 100 mi or so, the mfgs would just have to agree to standardize the batteries. Like a petrol/gas station, but with freshly charged batteries on hand.
Warren's (wmak's) solution has, I believe, got to be the answer to all these issues. ...although it obvious creates a whole other set of issues, but, really, at some point 50 or so years ago people must have decided "hey, let's just standardize D batteries, ok?"

The other nice thing about somewhat standardized batteries is that, with some admittedly complex planning, older bikes and cars could use improved batteries, so long as the newer batteries keep to a standard size etc.

Standardization impedes innovation, for sure, but at some point it seems a necessary step in making electric vehicles long-distance capable.
I donít think batteries will be in cars in 50 years, I think they will got the way of the CFL bulb and hydrogen fuel cells will take over.
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:37 am quote
Choke
The manufacture of Hydrogen fuel is way too carbon intensive to be a viable liquid fuel.

And you need to refrigerate it.

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