Should I use a gas additive to add to 93 gas ?
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Retail gasoline already contains various additives. Not sure why you would generally want more. (though I have been known to use a bit of Seafoam once or twice a year)
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I will use an additive like Seafoam or Lucas Fuel System cleaner about every 500-700 miles. Especially if the scoot has not been ridden in a couple of weeks.
There are times when I'm riding in an unfamiliar area and need to get gas at an unknown station. The tank on my GTS is 2.1 gals, so I only put a small amount in. A little bit goes a long way. |
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Older Guy wrote: Should I use a gas additive to add to 93 gas ? Older guyy I use BG44K for fuel system cleaner and only need to add it every 15,000 miles. Don't like the weak over the counter consumer stuff. |
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not needed for regular use but a cap full of seafoam each fillup won't hurt...for storage you would want to put the appropriate amount of seafoam in
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Point37 wrote: not needed for regular use but a cap full of seafoam each fillup won't hurt...for storage you would want to put the appropriate amount of seafoam in |
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EN82pg wrote: Point37 wrote: not needed for regular use but a cap full of seafoam each fillup won't hurt...for storage you would want to put the appropriate amount of seafoam in |
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WEB-Tech wrote: Older Guy wrote: Should I use a gas additive to add to 93 gas ? Older guyy |
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pokeyjoe wrote: WEB-Tech wrote: Older Guy wrote: Should I use a gas additive to add to 93 gas ? Older guyy The local BG distributors calls me Mr BG, because I get him so many new customers. Businesses and just people for personal use. |
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WEB-Tech wrote: pokeyjoe wrote: WEB-Tech wrote: Older Guy wrote: Should I use a gas additive to add to 93 gas ? Older guyy The local BG distributors calls me Mr BG, because I get him so many new customers. Businesses and just people for personal use. on amazon a plastic bottle is $21 a can is $25 |
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Make sure you plan so it is in the tank as long as possible. Don't put it in and go for a long highway cruise.
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WEB-Tech wrote: Make sure you plan so it is in the tank as long as possible. Don't put it in and go for a long highway cruise. |
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You want short trips, as the way it works. You drive for a while then stop. The cleaner soaks into the varnish in the fuel system and carbon on the head and piston when you are stopped, then when you start riding the stuff that was loosened is burn off or flushed through and out of the fuel system. Then next time you stop same thing, rinse and repeat.
My commute is around 7 miles so the fuel is in my tank for up to two weeks with short trips if I plan right. |
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II can see where this would be necessary on a GDI engine, not so much on a small scooter engine. But I guess it would not hurt anything but your wallet.
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WEB-Tech wrote: You want short trips, as the way it works. You drive for a while then stop. The cleaner soaks into the varnish in the fuel system and carbon on the head and piston when you are stopped, then when you start riding the stuff that was loosened is burn off or flushed through and out of the fuel system. Then next time you stop same thing, rinse and repeat. My commute is around 7 miles so the fuel is in my tank for up to two weeks with short trips if I plan right. |
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WEB-Tech wrote: pokeyjoe wrote: WEB-Tech wrote: Older Guy wrote: Should I use a gas additive to add to 93 gas ? Older guyy The local BG distributors calls me Mr BG, because I get him so many new customers. Businesses and just people for personal use. We used it in the workshop for problem engines. It's so good it saves stripping carbs, cleans injectors and valves, pistons etc etc. But then again so does Seafoam or Redex. It can go the other way though and cause issues on some engines, so needs care in it's use. |
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Stromrider wrote: WEB-Tech wrote: pokeyjoe wrote: WEB-Tech wrote: Older Guy wrote: Should I use a gas additive to add to 93 gas ? Older guyy The local BG distributors calls me Mr BG, because I get him so many new customers. Businesses and just people for personal use. We used it in the workshop for problem engines. It's so good it saves stripping carbs, cleans injectors and valves, pistons etc etc. But then again so does Seafoam or Redex. It can go the other way though and cause issues on some engines, so needs care in it's use. |
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Yes, that's brilliant and what BG is designed for. We used BG244 on diesels with issues and again, it works wonders. The 44k being the petrol equivalent is not really used that much over here.
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WEB-Tech wrote: Point37 wrote: bg44k ok to use in 2 strokes as well? |
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Is there a problem?
If you buy your gas from a top-tier station, should be enough detergent in the gas to avoid problems. I put Sta-bil in mine in the winter (4 months) as a precaution, but probably don't need to. If you are buying gas with ethanol, then definitely need to be adding something to minimize harm from that.
If you think you are having a problem in a carb or fuel injector, then sure, add a cleaner as a first step. Cheap and easy. But probably not needed as a routine measure. |
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Jimding wrote: If you buy your gas from a top-tier station, should be enough detergent in the gas to avoid problems. I put Sta-bil in mine in the winter (4 months) as a precaution, but probably don't need to. If you are buying gas with ethanol, then definitely need to be adding something to minimize harm from that. If you think you are having a problem in a carb or fuel injector, then sure, add a cleaner as a first step. Cheap and easy. But probably not needed as a routine measure. |
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On any MC forum I've participated in, the consensus fuel storage additive is Marine Stabil.
Stabil has a limited shelf life of it's own per it's mfg., thus it's pkg is dated. This thread needs new life? Here ya go... |
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Contacted Sta-bil a few years ago about shelf life. They said if it is still Red, it is good.
As far as the marine stuff, looks like the main thing is it has "Ethanol Treatment.". Still only keeps gas fresh for 12 months. |
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WEB-Tech wrote: As far as the marine stuff, looks like the main thing is it has "Ethanol Treatment.". Still only keeps gas fresh for 12 months. |
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Here in the Uk ALL gas goes bad the longer it stands. Non ethernol based gas and other bio gas starts going bad after just 6 weeks of standing. And it gets worse the longer it stands. The individual components of the gas, cleaners, other octane additives, all start to separate out and sink to the bottom of the tank. You can see this in most tanks as it forms a reddish brown sticky formulation on the sides of the tank. Shining a light from a torch (note: never use matches to light up the area...or you may get an unpleasant surprise...lol!) you can usually see enough to spot this effect. Uninformed folks then start the motor with this bad gas in and it gets sucked into the engine where it creates problems on and in the injector, fuel pump, valves and piston rings.
It's good practice to use an additive but carefully using the amount recommended on the bottle. Overdosing is not recommended. Running a couple of tanks of gas through the engine in quick succession with an additive in is a great idea at least once a year. It keeps everything nice and shiny in the engine and fuel system and also acts as an upper cylinder lubricant. I don't recommend running at WOT with additive in the fuel though. It could make the engine run weak at high throttle settings as the ecu won't correct for that. So drive normally but avoid high throttle settings is best advice. |
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Dooglas wrote: WEB-Tech wrote: As far as the marine stuff, looks like the main thing is it has "Ethanol Treatment.". Still only keeps gas fresh for 12 months. The actual product, Stabil Marine is a sort of dark green color-reminds me of 2-cycle mix oil in color. I have wondered why they make both products if one does the job better/longer and they cost a similar price? This gasoline storage subject will entertain you for hours on end if you get snow bound... |
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i started using 50:1 premixed cans of non-ethanol Trufuel in my chainsaw...runs much better...but i want to run a little some of that bg44k through all my units to clean them a little...i typically run fuel out when i am storing things for the winter
just got a 4 pack of cans of bg44k...they ran out of the 4 packs of long neck plastic bottles...so now i'll have to pick up a bottle of gatorade to drink so i can wash it out and use the bottle for whatever is left in the can that i don't use |
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I have often wondered "who" bought that overpriced canned fuel?
Not to create a dreaded gasoline thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but Stihl requires 89 octane for their 2cycle engines and their dealers have placards on the sales counter to that effect. They also double the warranty if you use their brand of full-syn mix oil. Canned fuel is illogical for anyone who does much cutting or other work, etc.? There is a reason I mix 2-cycle fuel in smaller amounts since ethanol came out. By the way, 2-cycle mix oil IS a fuel extender. to some degree. This said I live in "chainsaw land". |
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Kantuckid wrote: I have often wondered "who" bought that overpriced canned fuel? Not to create a dreaded gasoline thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but Stihl requires 89 octane for their 2cycle engines and their dealers have placards on the sales counter to that effect. They also double the warranty if you use their brand of full-syn mix oil. Canned fuel is illogical for anyone who does much cutting or other work, etc.? There is a reason I mix 2-cycle fuel in smaller amounts since ethanol came out. By the way, 2-cycle mix oil IS a fuel extender. to some degree. This said I live in "chainsaw land". |
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Point37 wrote: Kantuckid wrote: I have often wondered "who" bought that overpriced canned fuel? Not to create a dreaded gasoline thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but Stihl requires 89 octane for their 2cycle engines and their dealers have placards on the sales counter to that effect. They also double the warranty if you use their brand of full-syn mix oil. Canned fuel is illogical for anyone who does much cutting or other work, etc.? There is a reason I mix 2-cycle fuel in smaller amounts since ethanol came out. By the way, 2-cycle mix oil IS a fuel extender. to some degree. This said I live in "chainsaw land". |
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Kantuckid wrote: Point37 wrote: Kantuckid wrote: I have often wondered "who" bought that overpriced canned fuel? Not to create a dreaded gasoline thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but Stihl requires 89 octane for their 2cycle engines and their dealers have placards on the sales counter to that effect. They also double the warranty if you use their brand of full-syn mix oil. Canned fuel is illogical for anyone who does much cutting or other work, etc.? There is a reason I mix 2-cycle fuel in smaller amounts since ethanol came out. By the way, 2-cycle mix oil IS a fuel extender. to some degree. This said I live in "chainsaw land". i run 87 octane in everything other than my saw...weed wacker, lawn mowers, leaf blower, pressure washer, car, scooter all get 87 or 87 mix...my snowblower is the only other unit that i need to work when i need it that i run 87 in but i put seafoam in the tank and store it in my attached garage and always kill it with the fuel shut off to keep most of the fuel out of the carb before i put it away...oh and my car but i drive 86 miles round trip every day i commute so the fuel doesn't stay in the car for very long...figured i would try this stuff in my car to see if i can gain a few extra mpg during the winter...my 13 subaru legacy gas mileage seems to drop in the cold weather |
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Seeing as my GTS is about to hit 20k I bought a can of this BG44K and will see how it does! Figure 1-2oz should be sufficient per fillup I think?
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I don't put stuff in my gasoline based on reaching 20,000 miles or any other distance. Why unless there's a problem?
Seafoam is mostly a system cleaner, whereas Stabil is an storage/extender. Next we need an STP thread? |
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My friend commuted, 2 up, on his Kymco to work every day in the Philippines.
He swore by the stuff sold in the green or red pop bottles by the roadside vendors. But in a pinch the pink or blue fuel was OK, too - but made you think a clam bake was following you. Check on-line to see if your station is selling Top Tier fuel. In a modern scooter - you're good if you use it. Cap of Stabil if parked in winter. O.S. |
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