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Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:08 pm quote
Saw ROBOT install some aluminum mods and one was the oil dipstick. It's tamper-proof requiring the Allen wrench to remove. I like the idea that no one can mess with the oil. Are there less costly alternative oil dipsticks around?
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Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:25 am quote
That is the less expensive one!?!
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Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:24 pm quote
People messing with oil is a thing?
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Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:52 pm quote
znomit wrote:
People messing with oil is a thing?
I dunno, people will mess with anything. Especially something with a turn knob.
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Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:15 pm quote
znomit wrote:
People messing with oil is a thing?
I have never had an issue with oil tampering in many years of scooting in many states and countries.

Sometimes people make up problems. Not sure why.

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Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:12 pm quote
I have enough trouble messing with my own dipstick....as in losing not one, but two. Maybe I need an ignition interlock or something.
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Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:08 pm quote
fledermaus wrote:
I have enough trouble messing with my own dipstick....
I've always heard you are not supposed to do that!
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Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:22 pm quote
Dooglas wrote:
fledermaus wrote:
I have enough trouble messing with my own dipstick....
I've always heard you are not supposed to do that!
Could explain my vision problems.
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:28 am quote
WLeuthold wrote:
znomit wrote:
People messing with oil is a thing?
I have never had an issue with oil tampering in many years of scooting in many states and countries.

Sometimes people make up problems. Not sure why.

Bill
Try living in an apartment complex and owning a bike.
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:45 am quote
I suppose it depends where you live. Iíve dealt with some incredibly obnoxious and creepy people in the St. Louis area simply because I was riding a scooter. I have no idea why it bothered them. I ride at the speed limit or slightly abound, I wear a jacket that I can be seen in... but certain types just take exception to a person on a scooter. I did have to have my fuel hose replaced month due to someone slashing it, and much more recently, Someone keyed it right down to the bare metal while I was at work. So though I never have heard of anyone messing with the oil, I wouldnít put it past certain people in certain areas.
My take on it is if you really feel
Like itís a possibility, do what you need to do to avoid it.
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:52 am quote
Mutt The Hoople wrote:
I suppose it depends where you live. Iíve dealt with some incredibly obnoxious and creepy people in the St. Louis area simply because I was riding a scooter. I have no idea why it bothered them. I ride at the speed limit or slightly abound, I wear a jacket that I can be seen in... but certain types just take exception to a person on a scooter. I did have to have my fuel hose replaced month due to someone slashing it, and much more recently, Someone keyed it right down to the bare metal while I was at work. So though I never have heard of anyone messing with the oil, I wouldnít put it past certain people in certain areas.
My take on it is if you really feel
Like itís a possibility, do what you need to do to avoid it.
Just here in Kansas all the pick up trucks. And if it is wet and rainy and don't give a s**t when they splatter you and the scooter with crap.
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I hear ya. Thatís who the jerks usually are here. Usually from the south side and usually old, slightly beat up pick up trucks, usually black. Never silver or red. Almost always painted black. Why I donít know but scooters really seem to get make them get their hackles up.
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:44 pm quote
Re: oil dipstick
RP Tech wrote:
It's tamper-proof requiring the Allen wrench to remove.
Drill a hole in the oil filler cap and wire it on like racers or aircraft?

[img]www.cornerspeed.net/2014/images/WireOilFill.jpg [/img]

[img]www.sportrider.com/sites/sportrider.com/files/styles/500_1x_/public/import/page_element_images/146-0002-04-z%2Bsafety_wiring_techniques%2B.jpg?itok=XNXvThzs[/img]

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Sorry about the pictures they work in my browser but not on MV
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:18 am quote
Re: oil dipstick
waspmike wrote:
RP Tech wrote:
It's tamper-proof requiring the Allen wrench to remove.
Drill a hole in the oil filler cap and wire it on like racers or aircraft?

[img]www.cornerspeed.net/2014/images/WireOilFill.jpg [/img]

[img]www.sportrider.com/sites/sportrider.com/files/styles/500_1x_/public/import/page_element_images/146-0002-04-z%2Bsafety_wiring_techniques%2B.jpg?itok=XNXvThzs[/img]
Was able to review the pictures of the braided wire through small holes. This doesn't appear adequately tamper resistant.
Storing an Allan wrench under the locked seat is looking like a good option. The ready made is costly probably due to the spun aluminum design. Wonder if I can fashion a change with Mr. Dremel; cut off the tab and screw, melt or glue in an Allan nut head.
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:23 am quote
Re: oil dipstick
RP Tech wrote:
Wonder if I can fashion a change with Mr. Dremel; cut off the tab and screw, melt or glue in an Allan nut head.
You'd want to not leave enough of the plastic dipstick exposed so that it could be turned with pliers.

A "security" screw head might add a bit of extra security, over a plain hex socket.
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:30 am quote
Re: oil dipstick
RP Tech wrote:
waspmike wrote:
RP Tech wrote:
It's tamper-proof requiring the Allen wrench to remove.
Drill a hole in the oil filler cap and wire it on like racers or aircraft?

[img]www.cornerspeed.net/2014/images/WireOilFill.jpg [/img]

[img]www.sportrider.com/sites/sportrider.com/files/styles/500_1x_/public/import/page_element_images/146-0002-04-z%2Bsafety_wiring_techniques%2B.jpg?itok=XNXvThzs[/img]
Was able to review the pictures of the braided wire through small holes. This doesn't appear adequately tamper resistant.
Storing an Allan wrench under the locked seat is looking like a good option. The ready made is costly probably due to the spun aluminum design. Wonder if I can fashion a change with Mr. Dremel; cut off the tab and screw, melt or glue in an Allan nut head.
While brain storming I think putting a head into the dipstick cover that matches one of the tools in the kit is better since the tool kit is secured in the locked glove-box.
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:13 am quote
waspmike wrote:
Sorry about the pictures they work in my browser but not on MV
Are you putting them in as attachments lower on the page, or pasting a link?
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:21 am quote
Re: oil dipstick
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
RP Tech wrote:
Wonder if I can fashion a change with Mr. Dremel; cut off the tab and screw, melt or glue in an Allan nut head.
You'd want to not leave enough of the plastic dipstick exposed so that it could be turned with pliers.

A "security" screw head might add a bit of extra security, over a plain hex socket.
What is a security nut? I viewed some grub nuts with a hex head that I could screw and epoxy into the dip.
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:37 am quote
Re: oil dipstick
RP Tech wrote:
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
RP Tech wrote:
Wonder if I can fashion a change with Mr. Dremel; cut off the tab and screw, melt or glue in an Allan nut head.
You'd want to not leave enough of the plastic dipstick exposed so that it could be turned with pliers.

A "security" screw head might add a bit of extra security, over a plain hex socket.
What is a security nut? I viewed some grub nuts with a hex head that I could screw and epoxy into the dip.
also known as tamperproof.

Variations include Allen (hex) socket in addition to Torx like this picture. There are other variations that have a pattern of three holes in the head, etc.

The post in the center of the socket prevents an ordinary driver from fitting. But it's only a little bit of added security. "Tamperproof" driver sets are readily available about anywhere.

tamperproof.JPG

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Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:19 pm quote
Re: oil dipstick
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
RP Tech wrote:
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
RP Tech wrote:
Wonder if I can fashion a change with Mr. Dremel; cut off the tab and screw, melt or glue in an Allan nut head.
You'd want to not leave enough of the plastic dipstick exposed so that it could be turned with pliers.

A "security" screw head might add a bit of extra security, over a plain hex socket.
What is a security nut? I viewed some grub nuts with a hex head that I could screw and epoxy into the dip.
also known as tamperproof.

Variations include Allen (hex) socket in addition to Torx like this picture. There are other variations that have a pattern of three holes in the head, etc.

The post in the center of the socket prevents an ordinary driver from fitting. But it's only a little bit of added security. "Tamperproof" driver sets are readily available about anywhere.
These tamperproof would be a suitable solution. I'll need a female side able to withstand inch pounds of force from my manual hand held driver.
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:05 pm quote
Re: oil dipstick
[quote="RP Tech"
Was able to review the pictures of the braided wire through small holes. This doesn't appear adequately tamper resistant.
[/quote]

We are talking tampering here. None of the options will be tamper proof if someone really wants to mess with your oil.

They will simply study your set up and come up with the tool in question. If you can buy it so can they.

I thought you wanted to stop opportunists. Any serious criminal mind will find a way.

Put a drop or two of bright nail polish on the joint between the dipstick and the engine case. It won't stop anyone but will tell you if anyone has unscrewed it.
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Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:43 am quote
For that quality I think that's affordable
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Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:32 am quote
If you are thinking of glueing something to the dipstick, that may not be possible depending on what it is made out of.
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Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:33 am quote
WEB-Tech wrote:
If you are thinking of glueing something to the dipstick, that may not be possible depending on what it is made out of.
And if you do glue a screw or bolt into a dipstick, it might be a good idea to cut a slot across the end of dipstick before you glue the screw in. That way you could use a large screwdriver in the slot to remove the dipstick in case the screw comes out with the stick still in the engine.

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Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:41 am quote
Ok, now anybody have a 3-D printer?
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Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:16 am quote
I thought I was the most paranoid here now the stick. One story that is hard to believe but it is true is that one day i left the GTS unlocked downtown and some pump(s) pour sugar in my tank. That was very expensive to replace. But I understand you I don't want any thing to happen to your oil. The smallest attempt to temper with it would be biblical.
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Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:16 am quote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
WEB-Tech wrote:
If you are thinking of glueing something to the dipstick, that may not be possible depending on what it is made out of.
And if you do glue a screw or bolt into a dipstick, it might be a good idea to cut a slot across the end of dipstick before you glue the screw in. That way you could use a large screwdriver in the slot to remove the dipstick in case the screw comes out with the stick still in the engine.
That's the ticket!

Remember I'll cut off the thumb tab to screw-in the tamperer-proof grub nut.
Like JKJ-FZ6 idea for a slot, just in case.

grub nut.jpeg

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Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:08 pm quote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
Ok, now anybody have a 3-D printer?
oppsclunkthud has one.
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Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:45 pm quote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
WEB-Tech wrote:
If you are thinking of glueing something to the dipstick, that may not be possible depending on what it is made out of.
And if you do glue a screw or bolt into a dipstick, it might be a good idea to cut a slot across the end of dipstick before you glue the screw in. That way you could use a large screwdriver in the slot to remove the dipstick in case the screw comes out with the stick still in the engine.


But if determined you could still unscrew the cap with miniature vice grips?

BMW has some slick items for their oil filler on boxer engines
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Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:51 pm quote
Drill a hole through the OEM filler plug.

Put a suitably long one of these through the hole



Then put a miniature padlock from Walmart, through the clevis pin

The length of the clevis pin means the filler cap cannot easily be unscrewed
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Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:51 am quote
The Rizoma Dipstick is tamperproof, an OEM Piaggio Genuine Vespa Accessory, and it tells you that's where the Oil goes.

https://scooterpartsco.com/recambi-scooter/rizoma/oil-filler-plug-bolt-aluminum

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Thanks Motovista. We already knew about the Rizoma and was seeking a Do It Myself version.
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:47 am quote
Cut the top off and carry a pair of pliers.
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