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Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 2143
Location: Veria, Greece
Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:52 am quote
Time for an update...

The T5 has really grown on me. Torquey, revvy and a real head turner. Already accumulated around 500Kms since the ease of the lockdown measures. First trip (24/05/2020) was ~270Kms. We took beautiful mountain roads (up to 1300m elevation), visited a lake and had a blast with friends. Second trip (21/06/2020) was closer, but it again involved mountain roads and great food since restaurants, cafes, taverns reopened and people could sit to eat.

Between trips, I found me some nice, reasonably priced, NOS "Nelson Piquet" wheel discs, I fitted a SIP Road XL and ordered some "Fake Taxi" decals (local Taxis are yellow and all my Vespisti friends joked about the color of the T5, so I thought to stick it to them )...

Since I had to register the color change on the T5's license, I also decided to change my license plate cause our old ones look like crap. My old plate was "NY 148" and was issued by the "18th" prefecture, which then was the city of Thessaloniki. Later, when the registration system changed, each prefecture would issue their own plates. So, for my prefecture which is "ΗΜΑΘΙΑ" (Imathia), the plates start with "ΗΜ" and the 3rd letter denotes the issued series (Α, Β, Ε, Ζ, Η, Ι, Κ, Μ, Ν, Ο, Ρ, Τ, Υ, Χ) which changes after "999" plates have been issued for two wheeled vehicles (cars go from 1000 to 9999). We were currently at the end of "HMP" so I was going for the "HMT 5" cause "T" would be the next series letter. Unfortunately the ministry of transportation send us Athens plates cause they had a surplus that had to go. The next best thing was "HMP 999" which a friend kept it especially for me (he works at our local "DMV")...

That's it for now, stay safe and healthy guys!!! Lots of photos following...

First ride after ease of lockdown measures (24/05/2020)...









A special Cosa II (Malossi 221) for Terry































Cheapest unleaded price we've seen due to lockdown (per litre)...







Fake Taxi decals



NOS Nelson Piquet Wheel Discs







Sip Road XL...







Coffee with friends (10/06/2020)...



License Plate Change...







Second ride (21/06/2020)...

























Molto Verboso
Vespa
Joined: 19 Jun 2007
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Location: California
Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:19 pm quote
Wow amazing pictures. Glad you like the new plate fits nicely on the chassis. Score on the Piquet caps, Piaggio albeit outstanding didn't even know about those excellent hook up.
Molto Verboso
One or two fun scoots....nothing too precious
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Location: UK (South East)
Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:09 am quote
Loving the copper/bronze PX200e in the 3rd and 4th photos. Lovely colour and not over-accessorised. I even like the screen!
Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 2143
Location: Veria, Greece
Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:52 am quote
Thanks guys!!

@swa45: I agree. This one came out really great. We restored it from scratch about two months ago for a friend. Almost everyone in the club helped. My father did the bodywork (patched a rotten section & closed up some holes). Sprayed by the same shop that did my T5. I overhauled the engine, did the electrics and whatever needed to get it finished. I'll post a before pic. You won't believe its before state...
Molto Verboso
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1946
Location: Florence, OR
Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:23 pm quote
I just caught this thread. Awesome Safis - Thanks for posting the pics! It turned out great, and yes, It'd be great to see some before pics.... Good job - I love it when teamwork works...
Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 2143
Location: Veria, Greece
Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:27 pm quote
Update time...

First off, first four pics are the before of the copper / bronze PX you asked for. The PX belonged to another friend that decided to part it at some point. It was converted for an off road race and stayed this way. As for the T5, we had a long ride last week and now I'm getting ready for the trip to our national annual vespa summer meeting. It won't be official due to the corona virus measures, but instead it will be like a friendly gathering. Put on the Nelson Piquet discs, Malossi dragons on the cowls, carriage hooks for the trip and upgearing once again since the 20/67 combo is still short. Let's hope the 21/67 will be better. Also, the brass bushing had come loose on the base plate, so I installed a reinforced BGM one that went in really tight. Opened up the cylinder head to check things out and did a cleanup. This was on a BE3/125 combo (BE4 was even worse) which was bogging down low (especially on acceleration in 3rd) so I changed it to a BE3/122. It's a whole new engine now with this combo, so I think it's hit the sweet spot...































Addicted
86 T5, 71 Sprint, 63 GL
Joined: 30 Oct 2014
Posts: 600
Location: Oak Brook, Illinois
Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:03 pm quote
Nice Photos SaFis, your T5 puts mine to shame! Iím going to try an experiment with one of the pics, Iím going try to see if my T5 goes that speed at those revs.
Hooked
Joined: 22 Jul 2018
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Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:56 pm quote
Why don't all of us T5 owner's start a dedicated T5 thread? Just thinking.....
Jet Eye Master
PX221 Malossi, O tuned PX200 and some motorbikes
Joined: 14 Jun 2017
Posts: 2574
Location: London UK
Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:24 pm quote
This always needed a 21 tooth. Will be better.

Nervous about the BE3 in a G carb. What was the main jet on the AC120/BE4?

I know that beer in the previous post is Greek but in my basic Russian it reads "vagina". Made me laugh.
Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 2143
Location: Veria, Greece
Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:31 pm quote
Haha...

It was the same main (120/BE4/125) and it was running worse down low. I can try the BE4 with the 122 but Iím afraid of the BE4 for WOT runs. Charts Iíve seen show that itís lean on WOT...
Jet Eye Master
PX221 Malossi, O tuned PX200 and some motorbikes
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Location: London UK
Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:37 pm quote
Careful what you read. That leaner is relative to how it is at mid. BE4 is the richest of all at all points, compared with all the other atomisers.

125 is way too big for a BE4. Put the BE4 back in and drop the main carefully to 116 and seeing how WOT revs. Keep pilot at 50/100.
Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 2143
Location: Veria, Greece
Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:11 pm quote
Update time...

Returned from our Vespa gathering and I have to say that the T5 is not suitable for long trips. My ass is still sore and my bones still vibrate. Even with the 21/67 it's still too damn short. Anyways, the trip was fun, I returned safely although I had two mishaps on the way back home. One was that the engine died two times (shit my pants at first) although it wasn't a seize. What was it?? As I was moving back and forth on the seat, at a certain position I sat on the gas cap closing the breather hole, so basically I ran out of gas. Second is that the SIP Road XL, once again held it's reputation and broke (almost 2k Kms on it). I sliced it today and as I was certain, the diaphragm broke (same shit happened on an XL I had on my blue P). I won't bother with SIP's crap and excuses, I'll fix it myself and this is the last time I ever buy something from their product line. Of course they'll be tagged on various FB groups cause it's the only way to communicate to them their crap quality control...

Jack, the BE4 was back in along with a 122 main. The 122 main is spot on and it's the one that came with the kit and directions from Malossi. I opened up the cylinder head today and this is what I found. Photos are a bit brighter but burn pattern and spark plug have a nice brown color. What'd you think??







Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 8055
Location: Victoria, Australia
Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:23 pm quote
Safis, what was it that made you realise the baffle inside was cracked?
Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 2143
Location: Veria, Greece
Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:24 pm quote
Rattle noise...
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
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Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:27 pm quote
Ah yes. The SIP (exhaust) Death Rattle. Eventually the part comes loose completely and blocks the outlet.
Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 2143
Location: Veria, Greece
Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:30 pm quote
They're stupidly made. The whole diaphragm is held by 4 weld spots and sometimes one or two of them are not even holding the plate...
Jet Eye Master
PX221 Malossi, O tuned PX200 and some motorbikes
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Location: London UK
Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:08 pm quote
SaFiS wrote:
Jack, the BE4 was back in along with a 122 main. The 122 main is spot on and it's the one that came with the kit and directions from Malossi. I opened up the cylinder head today and this is what I found. Photos are a bit brighter but burn pattern and spark plug have a nice brown color. What'd you think??



Piston crown does look near perfect. Very slightly lean but won't blow up. That 125 jet or the 122 jet might have size issues. If the 125 is too rich to ride and that 122 is slightly lean, one of them is not correctly numbered.
Looking crown at that I would say go up to 125 but 125 relative to the 122.
They make some nice quiet expansions for T5s. Will run smoother too.

Edit: down one number on the plug too. Running a little cold.
Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 2143
Location: Veria, Greece
Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:00 pm quote
Exhaust repaired. It just needed a nail
I've also changed the exhaust tube to a 20mm ID. Made a difference. Noise levels are the same. Since the exhaust's bracket is another failing point I gave it a few more tag welds. On to the kit, I decided to take it out and do a full clean up since the head was already out. I see a wear pattern where the rings land at the top of the cylinder (aluminum is visible) although smooth. I believe it's cause of the rattling piston the kit is famous for (I had it too since the beginning). I talked also to a friend who's running one and told me his is also the same, he's been running it for over 10k Kms now, with no issues. I also contacted Malossi but they told me they don't see any wear problems (seriously??). Anyways, I'll run it as is and see when and if it will blow up at some point. Also the kit's price for some reason skyrocketed to 406Ä. My local supplier still had the old price (348Ä) on his site, so I decided to buy one and put it on the self. Total came to 296,45Ä after the extra discount I get from him. Not bad...



















Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 8055
Location: Victoria, Australia
Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:20 pm quote
Nice work in resurrecting that one Safis. Sometimes I think scooter parts are more of a blank canvas than a finished article.

Didn't see the wear?
Member
Vespa T5 251, Lambretta GP200
Joined: 27 Jul 2019
Posts: 23
Location: Leeds, England
Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:27 am quote
Enjoyed reading that and that is way nicer than the T5 jigsaw that I am currently building. Thank you.
My budget went on Pinasco 251 engine so I am having to paint myself....not going well. LOL
Enthusiast
'81 Special, '81 P150X, '13 LML Star 200
Joined: 30 Nov 2018
Posts: 79
Location: Ukraine
Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:43 pm quote
Good thread and amazing T5 !
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