My '63 VBB2T project
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:28 pm quote
Hi all!


Long time lurker, decided to register to present myself and my '63 VBB2T project.

I allready ride a modern Vespa (300 GTS Super Notte), but always wanted a vintage scoot.

Stumbled upon a local ad a few weeks ago and called the seller to ask him if I could come and see it (it was only a 20 min drive away).
When I arrived, the old man pulled a cover off the Vespa and tried kickstarting it, but it did not start.
"Damed, it started 6 monts ago!". The guy pulls out his toolbox and starts dismanteling the Vespa in the rain and freezing cold

It was obviously a gas arrival problem, so I asked him for his price and sealed the deal.

Few days later, and I picked it up.


Now.. What did I buy?
Here in Europe, 95% of the VBB's made a detour via SEA, but this one should be an exception (no bondoed welds, original square plate holder, no funny accessories, 8", ...).

Correct papers, correct Vin.
Very hard, no holes.
But someone completely messed it up by painting it with a brush

Below a few pics at the seller's place

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Legshield with a small crack on the left side.

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The seller & his scoot :D

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Rear with an (original?) rack

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VIN

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Engine

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Bars

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Patina

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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:44 pm quote
Got it home, changed the tires & brakes, cleaned the tank, rebuild the carb, new spark plug, new spark plug head & cable, new gas tab, new gas line. And... It fired up right away.
Rode it to my local scooter shop, and they told me it was running very nice!

On the way back home, got pulled over by the cops without helmet, no license plates, no insurance.

Then went on to decap the paint. Underneath the gray paint, there was pink, black, green and.. the original amazing Max Meyer blue!

Did a good part of the legshield, and both cowls. Will try to do a part of the frame this weekend.

The idea is to try to retrieve the original paint & patina, polish it and put on some Owatrol to block the rust.

Technically I'm gonna try to get it at a 100%

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Arrival at home

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Decapping the legshield

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More decapping

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And more

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Legshield almost finished. Ran out of aceton, so the green still has to go

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Decapping the left cowl

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Left cowl

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Left cowl before polish

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Decapping engine cowl

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More

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more

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Engine cowl before polish

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Got ass?

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That ass!!!

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Under the sun!

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Under the sun!

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Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:58 pm quote
Wow! That's going to clean up real good.
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:02 pm quote
rowdyc wrote:
Wow! That's going to clean up real good.
Thanks!
I am very, very happy with wat I see at the moment.
Hoping not to run into major surprises in the paintwork...
Also hoping to find someone who can weld the crack without removing too much paint...
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:11 pm quote
thank you DD VES
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:12 pm quote
This was fun to read! Thanks for posting with so many photos.
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Location: Belgium
Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:23 pm quote
berto wrote:
This was fun to read! Thanks for posting with so many photos.

I have a hole lot more, but it takes ages to upload them to the site...

But more to follow!
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:19 pm quote
For all the love that is holy will you please put a legit split pin in that rear hub and do a general safety check?

Nails are no substitute for the correct part and can be a harbinger of doom.

Ride safe amigo.

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Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:21 pm quote
63 vbb
Well welcome to forum...all the way from California. A wealth of info here on this forum. I thought California was the only place to have a helmet law. Better get a helmet. Good luck scott
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:59 pm quote
What a result. Keep up the good work.
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:32 pm quote
greasy125 wrote:
For all the love that is holy will you please put a legit split pin in that rear hub and do a general safety check?

Nails are no substitute for the correct part and can be a harbinger of doom.

Ride safe amigo.

-g
Done, off course
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:33 pm quote
Sjanuary wrote:
Well welcome to forum...all the way from California. A wealth of info here on this forum. I thought California was the only place to have a helmet law. Better get a helmet. Good luck scott
I have helmets! But was just testing it
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:04 am quote
thats a nice vbb, and i though i am the only one here that didnt like to use helmet

keep rubbing the project and cheer mate
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:58 am quote
Had the time to do some work today. Spent 8 hours on the scoot!

Did the left side of the frame, top of the tank, left side of the legshield and the floor.
Lot of work!
I still need to do the details, all the green and black rests need to go.
I'm happy with the result, but a little dissapointed with the state of the floor.

I'm on the couch now and not planning to leave it

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Before

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Before

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Work in progress

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Work in progress

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Work in progress

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Work in progress

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Work in progress

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Work in progress

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Result

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Result

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Result

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Result

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Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:45 am quote
wow DD
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:49 am quote
Magnificent! You're really having to dig deep to find that original paint. I think it's worth it, but I know what you mean about heading for the couch after a long session.

Your thread reminds me of my old blue AllState and my pal's 'twin' VNB that only had one thick layer of dark red primer over the original blue. He used graffiti remover, it got the red off & it didn't do anything that bullet proof old paint.


after getting the red off. More here: Scruffy AllState, muff dragging on 8's fixed
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:49 am quote
That looks fantastic. Alot of work! Thanks for posting
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:28 am quote
WOW thats fantastic, I have a 63" VBB that was painted with red spray paint and I never considered trying to remove it. my thought process went right to doing this.

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Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:25 am quote
Wow! I admire your perserverance with the paint, you're lucky it's so good under there!
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:23 am quote
That's coming together amazingly well. How are you stripping the paint off? Just acetone and hard work, or some other stripper?

My father-in-law painted my VBB badly before I took it off him and I've thought about trying to strip it back, but never had the time, energy, or know-how.
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:18 am quote
chandlerman wrote:
That's coming together amazingly well. How are you stripping the paint off? Just acetone and hard work, or some other stripper?

My father-in-law painted my VBB badly before I took it off him and I've thought about trying to strip it back, but never had the time, energy, or know-how.
Well.. I certainly donít have the know-how
What I do is: aceton for the 2 first layers (grey and pink), then decap for the black paint, and then again aceton for the green primer.
The green is a bitch to remove...
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:40 am quote
I'd love to know what the green primer is.
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:05 am quote
Moto64 wrote:
I'd love to know what the green primer is.
A bitch
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:14 am quote
2 more hours this afternoon!

** Questions:
How do you guys (and girls) post pictures on this forum? What's the easiest way?
How to post multiple pictures on mobile?

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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:42 am quote
I think I can now be sure that Iíve bought a solid VBB!

Would you guys mount the floor rails like this (after polish & owatrol)? Or would you have the colour scanned and retouched?
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:15 pm quote
DD_VES wrote:
What I do is: aceton for the 2 first layers (grey and pink), then decap for the black paint, and then again aceton for the green primer.
The green is a bitch to remove...
What is ďdecapĒ?
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:57 pm quote
NotAutomatic wrote:
DD_VES wrote:
What I do is: aceton for the 2 first layers (grey and pink), then decap for the black paint, and then again aceton for the green primer.
The green is a bitch to remove...
What is ďdecapĒ?
Paint stripper I think
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:59 pm quote
I wonder if Owatrol is similar to what we have here as Penetrol ?
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:43 pm quote
Moto64 wrote:
I wonder if Owatrol is similar to what we have here as Penetrol ?
Owatrol stops the rust and gives a ę†wet†Ľ finish.
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Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:12 am quote
wow. This is great. Especially the original paint is in that good condition.
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:07 am quote
How would you guys solve the crack in the legshield?
Itís causing resonance and quite some noise...
i was thinkin about a spot weld at the top, which would be hidden underneath the legshield rail. But would that stop the resonance and be solid enough?
Or would you opt for a few spot welds? Or even a complete weld?
Knowing I will not be able to touch-up the paint?

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Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:21 am quote
I did this:

started out worse than yours.


stick welded w/ an old AC buzzbox arc welder. I used copper blocks behind to soak the heat & avoid too much blow thru and just a little at a time. You'd do better w/ a good MIG or TIG setup and a more talented welder than me.


from behind, with thin coat of fiberglass filler to level after grinding.


painted it looks OKish, certainly not a restoration but it's solid and silent. Wet sanded later to blend.

You'll want a full weld to do it right and not have it crack before long. Find an autobody shop w/ somebody experienced in welding body panels. This should be easy to get a good job. Wet rags to protect the paint maybe, but this will burn it back a little. No worries paintwise, it would add to its charming personality Grind, polish and clearcoat, maybe w/ some blue tint.
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Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:59 pm quote
I just began doing essentially the same thing with my 62 VBB with not nearly as much skill, luck or success.
Parts of the respray comes off easily while other parts not so much.
Plus, my original paint isnít there so Iím going to bare metal.
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Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:37 pm quote
Brightsideoflife415 wrote:
I just began doing essentially the same thing with my 62 VBB with not nearly as much skill, luck or success.
Parts of the respray comes off easily while other parts not so much.
Plus, my original paint isnít there so Iím going to bare metal.
Pictures!!!
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:00 pm quote
I am also a little worried about the handlebars.
I don't think there's a lot of original paint left on them (also read that the paint is much more fragile on the bars).

If I would not be able to get the original paint back, what would you guys do?
- Sand it to the bare metal and polish & clearcoat?
- Sand it to the bare metal, let it rust (accelerated) & clearcoat?
- Respray it? But will give colour difference.
- Respray it in another colour? Which one?
- Try and find a used one in my colour? This one is mission impossible I think


Thanks for all the nice reactions! Did not expect this!

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Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:03 pm quote
Picture of the handlebars:

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Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:49 pm quote
Itís made of aluminum, strip it back, polish it and leave it. I stripped mine recently and the casting is beautiful. Iím painting mine again, but it feels wrong to cover it up with paint.
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Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:38 am quote
Paint it the same color and destress afterwards to match body.
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Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:27 am quote
Tyson wrote:
Itís made of aluminum, strip it back, polish it and leave it. I stripped mine recently and the casting is beautiful. Iím painting mine again, but it feels wrong to cover it up with paint.
Could you perhaps take a picture of it?
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Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:27 am quote
rowdyc wrote:
Paint it the same color and destress afterwards to match body.
What is destress?
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