My '63 VBB2T project
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
Joined: 26 Apr 2019
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Location: Belgium
Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:56 am quote
swa45 wrote:
DD_VES wrote:
swa45 wrote:
DD_VES wrote:
swa45 wrote:
Easy enough to go 8" on a P engine, but you may want to consider an upgear to get the best out of it. Maybe see if the builder can install a 62T primary as part of the deal. You'll then have a nice choice of 23/24/25T clutch gears.
He advised not to do so at first.
I could experiment a bit with the clutch gear cog later on without opening the engine.
Going up, you'll only have one option with a 65T primary, and that's a 24T clutch. That's a good option with 10" wheels and a mild touring tune.
This would be to get a higher top speed, correct?
I don't think I need that, I'm already scared now
It's not about the top speed, although it will increase with an upgear. For me, it's nice to cruise at lower RPM. You'll be able to cruise at 90kmh at ~5500 RPM which would be a really nice comfortable ride. This is with 24/62 and 8" wheels.
I have absolutely no intention to ride it at 90km/h
If I want to do that, I also have a GTS300...

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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
Joined: 26 Apr 2019
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Location: Belgium
Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:57 am quote
V oodoo wrote:
Score #2: Continuing good relationship with the expert builder
That's important..
We're on the same Vespaforum here in Belgium. And I'm on whatsapp with him.
The deal is sealed btw, picking it up tomorrow evening!
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 50s x2 78 P200 84 Cosa 58 AllState 68 Sprint 80 50special + projects
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:30 am quote
Tomorrow, eh?
Quote:
I have absolutely no intention to ride it at 90km/h
Still, you're gonna be pleasantly surprised at how fast you will go and how quickly you'll get there. Time to begin thinking about getting your little front brake into the best condition possible - best slotted shoes, make sure the drum is good & sand the braking surface to break the glaze if it looks OK. File the burrs off the brake cam, grease it and the pivot pins, check & lube the cable & lever... - you probably know the drill .
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
Joined: 26 Apr 2019
Posts: 114
Location: Belgium
Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:20 am quote
V oodoo wrote:
Tomorrow, eh?
Quote:
I have absolutely no intention to ride it at 90km/h
Still, you're gonna be pleasantly surprised at how fast you will go and how quickly you'll get there. Time to begin thinking about getting your little front brake into the best condition possible - best slotted shoes, make sure the drum is good & sand the braking surface to break the glaze if it looks OK. File the burrs off the brake cam, grease it and the pivot pins, check & lube the cable & lever... - you probably know the drill .
Nope, drill is unknown..
OOL btw..
I did replace the front brakes in the beginning, but I rarely use them in fact. The scoot dives a lot, I'm not too confident on the front brake...
Did replace the shock btw.
But I'll make sure they are in the best possible shape
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:54 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
Tomorrow, eh?


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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:13 pm quote
serial..

1979 P200E

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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Location: Belgium
Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:15 am quote
Ordered the below list this morning.
Mechanically, I should be able to mount this engine in my frame.
Electrically, I have big doubts on my skills


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05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
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Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:26 am quote
Other than the joys of pulling a new wiring harness, you'll be fine.

You have the correct brake light switch, which is the thing that most people get wrong in this adventure (including myself, the first time I did it).
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Posts: 114
Location: Belgium
Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:57 am quote
My 12V conversion is still in the mail, but I allready removed the engine!

Someone has a trick on how to install an engine alone, without help?

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05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
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Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:09 am quote
I've never had the benefit of help when installing an engine.

What I've found works best is to put the engine on the ground with a block of wood under the swingarm, then slide the frame down over the engine.

You can get the swingarm bolt through the engine side pretty easily, then you'll want to use a screwdriver, punch, or some other similar tool to get the fly side hole lined up and push it through.

good luck!
Molto Verboso
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Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:18 am quote
Hey DD,

First you've gotta work your magic with the paint.

I've only done it a couple times but I've always had the bike held up by the back fender. Then slide 2x4's and plywood under the engine, raising it up to be close, then wedge the swingarm up so you can get the bolt started. From there, you're golden.

I hope this helps.
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Location: Belgium
Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:32 am quote
qascooter wrote:
Hey DD,

First you've gotta work your magic with the paint.

I've only done it a couple times but I've always had the bike held up by the back fender. Then slide 2x4's and plywood under the engine, raising it up to be close, then wedge the swingarm up so you can get the bolt started. From there, you're golden.

I hope this helps.
Yes. Itís not bad that Iíve not immediately had success installing the engine. I think itíll be easier to do the wiring without the engine. Iíll also put on a new rear shock and remove the black paint.

Thought I was finished with the decap
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Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:48 am quote
Jack under the rear of the frame, engine on a piece of thin hardboard so it slides around easily, lift swing arm into place, insert bolt.
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Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:00 pm quote
^^^ This plus I like to stick a long screwdriver thru the main pivot from the wrong side before I put the long bolt in, following the screwdriver out. Makes it easier for me to find the hole on the far side working alone, I have a handle I can lever the motor around with while I hunt for the hole. Obviously a Phillips driver works best. Being careful & holding the motor steady with my knees, I usually don't lose the far side hole at the finish getting the bolt all in. Sort of like Chandler does.

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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
Joined: 26 Apr 2019
Posts: 114
Location: Belgium
Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:03 pm quote
VBB with p200 engine and Sito+ should be ok, no?
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Location: Belgium
Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:15 am quote
qascooter wrote:
Hey DD,

First you've gotta work your magic with the paint.

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Done

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Molto Verboso
08 GTS 250, 79 P200E, 62 Allstate
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Location: Florence, OR
Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:19 pm quote
DD_VES wrote:
qascooter wrote:
Hey DD,

First you've gotta work your magic with the paint.

.
Done
Veni, Vidi, Posti
a not so normal vbb2 '64, a weirdo vbx '86 and a not so normal pts100 '82
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Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:41 pm quote
DD_VES wrote:
VBB with p200 engine and Sito+ should be ok, no?
i'll be fast and ok

good luck with the vbb200 and cheer mate
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
Joined: 26 Apr 2019
Posts: 114
Location: Belgium
Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:03 pm quote
Ordered my shock setup today

The more I work on it, the more I want my little project to turn out as and oldtimer with a sick setup underneath

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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Posts: 114
Location: Belgium
Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:18 am quote
Started the 12V conversion today!

Only forgot to take pictures of my cable routing...

Who has some pictures of brake cables, clutch, throttle and the rest?





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Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:08 am quote
DD_VES wrote:
Ordered my shock setup today

The more I work on it, the more I want my little project to turn out as and oldtimer with a sick setup underneath
like T5Bitsa often said.. its gonna be a hauling ass, a nice street sleeper vespa

i know i just change a gear cable on a super but i also forget to take a pics, hope someone else have a pics for you

good luck on the vespa and cheer mate
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Location: Belgium
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:52 am quote
I actually think itís ok.
Handlebar:
Left hole from left to right:
- gear cable
- gear cable
- clutch

Right hole left to right:
- wiring loom
- gas cable

Someone who can confirm?
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:04 am quote
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Location: Belgium
Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:29 pm quote
Yesterday eveniing, I finished the handlebar switch and installed the 12V regulator! Was easy in fact, if you need to do it, nothing to be worried about..

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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:28 pm quote


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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:29 pm quote


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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Location: Belgium
Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:38 am quote
It's alive!

Unfortunately I screwed up with the 8" conversion. The oil seal is of the wrong diameter, so oil poured out at the left while I was filling at the right...

Oil seal is ordered, but I'm leaving on holiday, so hopefully on the road at the beginning of Aug.

I'll also have to double-check the carb, since idle only holds when the idle screw is fully closed (clock-wise). As soon as I move it a bit anti-clocwise it stalls.

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