VLB1, but no T...
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Sprint/Super Mongrel
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:00 pm quote
Hi,
New here, due to the recent purchase of what Iím hoping is a 1974 Sprint v.
Original provenance is supposed to be Germany but, at some point over the last 25 years of storage, the papers have been lost...
The first mystery is the frame VIN number. Thereís a Piaggio symbol, then VLB1, then a star, then 0183558, then another star. Whereas everything Iíve read refers to VLB1T.
Should I be worried by the missing T?
Anyone got any tips about getting confirmation of previous registration in Germany (circa 1988) as Iíd like to register it here in Hong Kong?
All help appreciated!

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Not the best photo...

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Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:09 am quote
let's see photos of the rest of it...

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Sprint/Super Mongrel
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:24 am quote
Here you go...

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Here you go...

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Sprint/Super Mongrel
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:28 am quote
And one from the rear...

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Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:10 am quote
And another one.

Prob best if you checked here before buying. Looks like the vin was stamped by someone other then the Piaggio factory. Scooter also looks like a bodge.
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:58 am quote
Oh my god!!
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:57 am quote
Re: VLB1, but no T...
HKsprint wrote:
Hi,
New here, due to the recent purchase of what Iím hoping is a 1974 Sprint v.
Original provenance is supposed to be Germany but, at some point over the last 25 years of storage, the papers have been lost...
The first mystery is the frame VIN number. Thereís a Piaggio symbol, then VLB1, then a star, then 0183558, then another star. Whereas everything Iíve read refers to VLB1T.
Should I be worried by the missing T?
Anyone got any tips about getting confirmation of previous registration in Germany (circa 1988) as Iíd like to register it here in Hong Kong?
All help appreciated!
It's clearly a bodge. I wouldnt waste money on it.

If you really like bodge Vespa, checkout the bodge in Vietnam it is more shiny and cheaper in shipping fee.
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:21 pm quote
In some markets of vintage outdoor spare parts, the molds with numbers and pet letters are sold forging the vin and even the plaques! So be careful and also check the original documents that, although they cannot be used to register in your countries, they serve to verify the originality of the vehicle.
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Sprint/Super Mongrel
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:44 pm quote
And another one.

Prob best if you checked here before buying. Looks like the vin was stamped by someone other then the Piaggio factory. Scooter also looks like a bodge.

Hmm,
Doesnít sound too promising...
The photo of the VIN isnít great, is it that youíre worried about? The rest of the bike has little rust, all fits together well and looks consistent with having been in storage for 20 years.
Are there other details that donít look right, or just the VIN?
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:37 pm quote
HKsprint wrote:
And another one.

Prob best if you checked here before buying. Looks like the vin was stamped by someone other then the Piaggio factory. Scooter also looks like a bodge.

Hmm,
Doesnít sound too promising...
The photo of the VIN isnít great, is it that youíre worried about? The rest of the bike has little rust, all fits together well and looks consistent with having been in storage for 20 years.
Are there other details that donít look right, or just the VIN?
It's hard to tell with just 2 pictures of 2 sides. But as far as i can see

1) hub cover typically used on scooters exported South East Asia
2) cheap chrome metal floor mat bar that rusted after short period of time or exposed to water.
3) popular spare wheel cover made in SEA
4) glovebox lining. see it on almost all vespa from SEA
5) metal chrome stand
6) Headset looks like not from a Sprint Veloce.
7) cheap light switch is rusted
wrong tail light.

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1) hub cover typically used on scooters exported South East Asia
2) cheap chrome metal floor mat bar that rusted after short period of time or exposed to water.
3) popular spare wheel cover made in SEA
4) glovebox lining. see it on almost all vespa from S

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Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:13 am quote
Appreciate your comments - great to have some insight.
Not too stressed as I needed a solid base for a custom street-scoot project and this ticks all the boxes. Straight, no rust, no filler. And picked it up for next to nothing.
Will be interesting to see what unfolds as it comes apart.
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Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:59 am quote
HKsprint wrote:
Appreciate your comments - great to have some insight.
Not too stressed as I needed a solid base for a custom street-scoot project and this ticks all the boxes. Straight, no rust, no filler. And picked it up for next to nothing.
Will be interesting to see what unfolds as it comes apart.
How can you tell there's no rust or filler without removing the paint?
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