Type of a screw is this? Can one find it @ HomeDepot
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Tue May 14, 2019 1:04 pm quote
So I discovered that the two screws that hold the seat latch have fallen away. They are according to the Vespa parts list part # 575249
It looks like this https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/screw+m6x16+mm+_pi575249

In one of the listings it is a M6 x22mm screw and in another instance it is a M6x16mm screw.
But in either case it happens to have a collar/shoulder.

When you order two screws and they are $149 each plus S&H it becomes a ridiculous price and I was hoping I could find it at the local hardware store.
But not sure about the size or whether Id find M6 screws with a collar at a HomeDepot.
NYC sucks this way in terms of machine shops that sell to individuals for reasonable prices.
McMaster would have something like this I am guessing but again it will be a question of do I want spend almost $10 for 2 screws?
For now zip ties are doing the job.
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Tue May 14, 2019 1:15 pm quote
Shoulder bolts/screws can be really expensive. Stupid, crazy, expensive. The purpose of the shoulder is to keep you from over tightening the screw and squashing some softer material (usually plastic) that it is holding in place. You can accomplish the same thing using a regular bolt and a spacer that take the place of the shoulder. I get my hardware at the local ACE hardware store. They have a good selection of hardware.

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Tue May 14, 2019 1:26 pm quote
Did you try AF1 Racing in Austin, TX?
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Tue May 14, 2019 1:27 pm quote
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It's $0.94, that's expensive?

No you are not going to find that at a hardware store. Looks cheap to me, order it from your dealer.
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Tue May 14, 2019 1:32 pm quote
I didn't look at the price. The OP said they wanted $149 each. THAT is expensive.
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Tue May 14, 2019 1:36 pm quote
They are 84 cents each on my screen.

Go too NAPA or ... with the SIP picture.
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Tue May 14, 2019 1:41 pm quote
True Value Hardware stores often have those odd bits.
Home Depot and Lowes too, but I've had best luck at TVH.
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Tue May 14, 2019 1:42 pm quote
Specific screw retails for 0,12 in Greece (including 24% VAT) with a minimum order quantity of 10 from any Piaggio Dealership...

Hey, SIP!! Overcharge much??
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Tue May 14, 2019 1:47 pm quote
At Scooterwest or Sip they are like $1.49 or 84 cents, but the S&H for just that is like $7. I was thinking I could find them at the hardware store. Ill check an ACE and see. The HomeDepot in brooklyn sucks in the machine screws department they are not organized at all and one can spend an hour or more looking for the part. Lowes is the same.
Thanks for the info and Ill check out ACE and I shall use a spacer/washer.

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Tue May 14, 2019 1:48 pm quote
SaFiS wrote:
Specific screw retails for 0,12 in Greece (including 24% VAT) with a minimum order quantity of 10 from any Piaggio Dealership...

Hey, SIP!! Overcharge much??
But they are selling 1, not 10. Overhead of handling 1, was in retail, That is how it works.
So they have to buy ten and stock them till someone buys 1 or 2.
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Tue May 14, 2019 1:56 pm quote
I use bolt depot for larger qtys

my Ace has shoulder screws/bolts in metric in stock.
They are my go to store for hardware.
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Tue May 14, 2019 1:59 pm quote
WEB-Tech wrote:
But they are selling 1, not 10. Overhead of handling 1, was in retail, That is how it works.
So they have to buy ten and stock them till someone buys 1 or 2.
OK, handling, storage, etc. Dealers also keep them in stock here, but they don't charge them for 1 a pop. Since Piaggio has a suggested retail price, why would anyone prefer SIP?? And for just 1,20 you buy a 10 pack since this is how they're shipped from Piaggio...
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Tue May 14, 2019 6:34 pm quote
old as dirt wrote:
I use bolt depot for larger qtys

my Ace has shoulder screws/bolts in metric in stock.
They are my go to store for hardware.
And mine! I have one just 400 yds away from home, and they stock a HUGE range of fasteners (and a lot more besides). The prices aren't the absolute cheapest around, but when you want something *NOW*!! they are very reasonable. Imagine having to buy all that stock for yourself 'just in case'. I use them in preference to any other similar store to ensure they stay happily in business.
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Tue May 14, 2019 6:55 pm quote
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I use them in preference to any other similar store to ensure they stay happily in business.
Amen, brother. I do as well. For the few things they don't have, I order through the local outlet of Tacoma Screw Products. Orders arrive within 3-5 days at the store with no shipping charge.
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Tue May 14, 2019 8:11 pm quote
If you were to find any particular fastener at HomeDepot or Lowes, you'd need to buy a bag or a box of them. At ACE, you can buy only as many as you need.
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Tue May 14, 2019 9:44 pm quote
I think it's a shoulder screw.
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Wed May 15, 2019 5:02 am quote
That's an unusual bolt. I guess the tapering is to make it easier to insert into the threaded hole in the chassis but don't know for sure. I've never seen a bolt like that but you might be able to find it in a local hardware store. My home depot would never have anything like that. And I don't think my local hardware store would either and I'm very familiar with the nut and bolt section. Perhaps a NAPA auto parts store

Two consideration I have when buying nuts and bolts for my bikes and cars it that they will get exposed to moisture over the years and will rust if not treated properly. I usually buy stainless steel to avoid problems if I can. Otherwise I try to find a source to match the original bolt. The other consideration is making sure the bolt has the proper grade for the application.I don't think this is a problem for your latch bolts tho.

I think Jimc's suggestion of using a regular bolt with a spacer, if you can find them, or washers is a great solution.

Best
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Wed May 15, 2019 2:26 pm quote
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Wed May 15, 2019 2:49 pm quote
You'll never find the exact same bolt anywhere. Pay the $10.08 (2 screws plus shipping) and get the right ones. Maybe order a few extra.

http://www.2wheelpros.com/oem-parts/aprilia-screw-575249-part.html
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Thu May 16, 2019 2:01 pm quote
In any larger city there are fastener stores, some are chains, others are not. The non-chains will sell "onesies" of fastners from the box. In my rural world I buy from Albany County fastners for my metric stock or other places for rated stuff.
I didn't get this one to pull up from the link but a combo of a "normal screw" along with washers and a lock nut might do the trick? I keep nylock nuts in all common sizes on hand. Thread locker could do the job too?
If in no hurry ebay sellers sell small quantities on the slow boat. i buy materials there all the time for fabrication jobs. metal, plastics, etc..
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Thu May 16, 2019 3:48 pm quote
Try McMaster Carr:



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Thu May 16, 2019 6:21 pm quote
Spend $5-10 and a bunch of time trying to find something close that will probably do the job, or $10 for exactly what you need, delivered in your mailbox. Not much to think about in my opinion.
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Thu May 16, 2019 6:28 pm quote
FrankNBrew wrote:
Spend $5-10 and a bunch of time trying to find something close that will probably do the job, or $10 for exactly what you need, delivered in your mailbox. Not much to think about in my opinion.
It's the spirit of adventure needs be assuaged, here.
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Fri May 17, 2019 12:02 am quote
Madison Sully wrote:
FrankNBrew wrote:
Spend $5-10 and a bunch of time trying to find something close that will probably do the job, or $10 for exactly what you need, delivered in your mailbox. Not much to think about in my opinion.
It's the spirit of adventure needs be assuaged, here.
Some of the best finds are while one is lost. Same philosophy.
Better to think inside the pub than outside the box?
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Fri May 17, 2019 9:40 am quote
If your scooter is a 2010 (says 2010 in your signature) then it is hard to believe that your Vespa dealer can't get any screw for you in a couple of days.
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Fri May 17, 2019 9:52 am quote
Fastenal.
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Sat May 18, 2019 1:21 am quote
Re: Type of a screw is this? Can one find it @ HomeDepot
baba12 wrote:
When you order two screws and they are $149 each
Didn't someone mix up the US point (decimal point in europe) and european comma (decimal US)? SIP's price is 1,02 euros, that is 1.13 dollar (one dollar and thirteen cents). I don't know who told you that price, but if he did, he's pulling your leg. For 149 dollar you get a truck of these bolts, so to speak. If you can't find it in the US (which I doubt), Just contact SIP by e-mail to check what it would cost
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Sat May 18, 2019 7:19 am quote
Re: Type of a screw is this? Can one find it @ HomeDepot
FlandersWasp wrote:
baba12 wrote:
When you order two screws and they are $149 each
Didn't someone mix up the US point (decimal point in europe) and european comma (decimal US)? SIP's price is 1,02 euros, that is 1.13 dollar (one dollar and thirteen cents). I don't know who told you that price, but if he did, he's pulling your leg. For 149 dollar you get a truck of these bolts, so to speak. If you can't find it in the US (which I doubt), Just contact SIP by e-mail to check what it would cost
That sounds like the Verizon version of mathematics, when they insisted 0.002cents was $0.002 per kB...

http://verizonmath.blogspot.com/2006/12/verizon-doesnt-know-dollars-from-cents.html
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