P200E engine rattle. clutch? gears? [VIDEO]
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:21 pm quote
Continued from [FIXED] p200e spark knock?

only 700 miles. noise is not present under load. hear that clackity clack sound? anyone have prior experience with this particular noise?

https://youtu.be/9QSmkgNtW9g

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:43 pm quote
You should post about this on scoot.net a hundred or so times.
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:23 pm quote
Gearbox oil is full of metal. Looks like glitter.
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:28 pm quote
Just open the cases with the motor in the bike. Watch this video a couple times.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0bvOHRlf2s. You're just removing the fly side case. You've already removed the flywheel and selector box before and prob the head, too. Only thing left now are the case bolts. After the oil is drained, it should take every bit of an hour or two for the first time. Leave carb where it is and don't remove. Leave the clutch in for this experiment and since you're looking at the gearbox, the crank stays in place, too. Its just an open to peek and see.
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:41 pm quote
rowdyc wrote:
Just open the cases with the motor in the bike.
So in your opinion its not a clutch issue, correct?
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:50 pm quote
Tradspa wrote:
rowdyc wrote:
Just open the cases with the motor in the bike.
So in your opinion its not a clutch issue, correct?
Maybe but I doubt it but it's all a mystery. With the metal shavings and the grinding noise it seems internal. You got a pic of those shavings?
You can try to turn the flywheel with the spark plug out and rear wheel off ground to duplicate the sound. Try different ways with clutch connected to flywheel and clutch removed from flywheel.
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:16 pm quote
rowdyc wrote:
You got a pic of those shavings?
Heres a pic and a video, All that cloudy stuff is metal.


https://youtu.be/iVdisE5CloU

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:13 pm quote
That maybe normal from just new stuff in gear box... or maybe not. Just a mystery until you open up and inspect.
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:31 pm quote
Mr. Tradspa, this really needs to be said...

Number one, I am not involved with Olympia Scooter Company, nor do I live in Olympia, nor do I know the owners, nor have I purchased anything from them...NOR DO I WANT TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR SQUABBLE.

What I do know is that you have created a very large nuisance of yourself over at scoot.net. Myself and others use that place to buy and sell scooter parts. By doing what your doing, you have forced me, as well as many, many others (probably hundreds) to be in the middle of your squabble. I'd recommend to you that you create your very own website that focuses on bad mouthing whoever you'd like (instead of ruining other peoples websites). If you get a bunch of members to join, well good on you. Clogging up a website for you to "get even" is in poor form, and just immature. It makes the complainer look...well, look like a complainer. Nobody wants to listen to a complainer more than twice.

I'd have sympathy for you and your engine, but you have used all of mine up weeks ago. Please refrain from making an even larger nuisance of yourself over there (seriously, STOP IT). All it does is alienate yourself even further from this great vintage scooter community. Focus on the task at hand, and get your 200cc engine sorted out so that you can enjoy is to its fullest.

I don't know of your vintage scooter mechanical ability, but if you don't have much experience with disassembling an engine, you might want to call on a favor from somebody (maybe even someone here) who could help you out to rebuild your engine. I know that many of us here could tear down and rebuild a P engine in 1 to 3 hours.

Please take the "higher path", and stop your ranting. Play it cool from here on out...that way you can call out on some favors here before you loose them all before you have a chance to use any of them.

-Whodats
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:45 pm quote
This sounds like rod knock or piston pin or both



https://youtu.be/d2FNc6-Rw5o

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:18 pm quote
Sticking to the videos alone... a.) that engine sounds like shit. you should definitely take it apart and figure out what is wrong with it.. or find someone to help you. b.) that gearbox oil seems a bit runny for gearbox oil. It looks more like dirty water than oil. probably have broken seals in there on top of whatever else is going on in there. Does it smell like gas?
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:35 pm quote
swiss1939 wrote:
Sticking to the videos alone... a.) that engine sounds like shit.
Damn sure does
swiss1939 wrote:
that gearbox oil seems a bit runny for gearbox oil. Does it smell like gas?
To high heaven

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:50 pm quote
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Mr. Tradspa, th....
TL;DR .. There is nobody ranting in this thread but you.

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:09 pm quote
From previous thread
Mattgyver wrote:
Was your flywheel re-rivited or did someone use a P125X flywheel. The center of those flywheels are rivited off from the others and have a cam shape where the points touch but the magnets still have the over lapping fingers to trigger the electronic ignition but will result in timing being 10 degrees off.
P125X flywheel confirmed. 33 degrees BTDC mystery solved.

https://youtu.be/36X7Nr6tcAI


Everything required to remove the fly side is off the motor but the muffler and top end. Need my air compressor for the rear hub nut to get the wheel off to get the muffler bolt out but its 1am here, too late to crank that loud bitch up.

Thanks for your input so far Rowdy and Swiss.

Might just go let the air out of the tire to get the bolt out, i'm wide awake now.

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:02 pm quote
is any of this crap useable now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJoq73td0zc&feature=youtu.be

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:04 pm quote
That sounds bad. The metal in the oil means everything is affected. oh dear. Hopefully the engine casing is not damaged.

Edit: cylinder and piston is ok. Not ideal for so new but not bad enough to change. Confirms your oil seals are leaking. If the clutch side oil seal leaks the cylinder doesn't lubricate correctly.

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:08 pm quote
Jack221 wrote:
That sounds bad.
Runs great though lol
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:19 pm quote
Jack221 wrote:
Edit: cylinder and piston is ok.
ok so

1. just hone it out with this and put new rings and seals?

2. Who makes the best rings and seals for this?

3. would this cause that god awful clattering noise?

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:35 pm quote
No need to do anything. Cylinder, piston and rings will be ok to go back on as they are.

The clattering noise is some bearing failure inside. This is a bigger issue. Get the casing open and you'll soon find it.
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:41 pm quote
Jack221 wrote:
No need to do anything. .
Besides new seals you mean. Who makes the best ones?
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:07 pm quote
This is sad. Get your money back.
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This is sad. Get your money back.
Don't I wish.
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