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Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:05 am quote
Thanks for straightening me out.
My local Marathon station has a separate pump for zero ethanol fuel and it's 94 octane. Fuel with 10% Ethanol added runs in 93 octane, 89 and 87. Which would you recommend?

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Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:29 pm quote
I have your same question. I was told 91 octane for my GTS 300 but no education on ethanol. I would be very curious to hear whether or not I should worry about using an octane higher than the recommendation (to achieve a no eth version)
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:17 pm quote
91 Octane or better for me, and non-ethanol if it is available. For RP-Tech: 94 octane isn't going to hurt anything, and I would go for whatever they have with non-ethanol over that crappy ethanol.

When we get home again, non-ethanol is... non-available. So, I go with premium (91 to 93 octane, depending on the station) with the crap in it. Being a retired boat captain, I have seen the effects of ethanol on rubber hoses/gaskets and even fiberglass tanks... there is nothing good about that stuff: you get lower mpg and it is quick to deteriorate. If your vehicle sets, the ethanol (and the water it draws in) stratifies in your tank. Older carbureted motors suffer more than fuel injected engines, again especially if you let ethanol laced fuel sit in the carb.

When it comes down to it, you run whatever fuel you have available. I have run 87 octane ethanol when I can't find the good stuff.

Enough of that rant.

More fun riding today...

https://captnjim.blogspot.com/2019/09/do-you-feel-lucky-punk.html

Gorgeous weather, great roads, and riding with my Honey (we stopped for a picnic lunch today). Seeing buffalo and begging burros on the Wildlife Loop.

A preview...









99.55 mpg when I fueled up today (with 91 octane non-ethanol); my wife got 132 mpg on her PCX. AND, fuel prices dropped a dime now that we are past prime tourist season.
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Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:15 pm quote
One last ride here in the Black Hills - tomorrow, we start the "getting ready to roll" process and wander our way back south.

https://captnjim.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-last-ride.html

We both agreed on which road we wanted to do today, and the riding was great! Almost no traffic, warm with beautiful blue skies. We did about 120 miles, had lunch out, stopped at the BMW dealer to see if there has been any word from BMW about the scoot my wife had ordered... nope, it is still in "stop sail jail" as they wait to get the parts for the recall from BMW. No idea when that is going to happen.

A couple preview photos...







I'm planning on a stop at AF1 Racing when we pass through the Austin area, just in case my wife has a change of heart about her choice.

To say with the "theme" of this thread, the Vespa got 94.38 mpg today, the PCX got 111 mpg.

We have had a great couple of months here in the Black Hills. (My heart is happy, my hip is healing.)
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Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:47 am quote
Captain Jim wrote:
One last ride here in the Black Hills - tomorrow, we start the "getting ready to roll" process and wander our way back south.


To say with the "theme" of this thread, the Vespa got 94.38 mpg today, the PCX got 111 mpg.

We have had a great couple of months here in the Black Hills. (My heart is happy, my hip is healing.)
Hmmm...... 🤔 Maybe you should re-think a bit. Sounds like both the bikes prefer life there.
It’s doing you good as well.

I think the ‘sweet spot’ you speak of is the Black Hills....
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Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:02 am quote
KABarash wrote:
Captain Jim wrote:
One last ride here in the Black Hills - tomorrow, we start the "getting ready to roll" process and wander our way back south.


To say with the "theme" of this thread, the Vespa got 94.38 mpg today, the PCX got 111 mpg.

We have had a great couple of months here in the Black Hills. (My heart is happy, my hip is healing.)
Hmmm...... 🤔 Maybe you should re-think a bit. Sounds like both the bikes prefer life there.
It’s doing you good as well.

I think the ‘sweet spot’ you speak of is the Black Hills....
Good point - we do enjoy our time here. That said, we lived in the Black Hills for almost 30 years, so we know what is coming... and I try to avoid that frozen northland stuff!

After an early summer of being unable to ride, this has been a wonderful respite. We'll change gears once we get back to the Tropical Tip... we got word that the road that leads to a Wildlife Refuge near us has finally been finished - years in the making. It should be a decent (but still not hilly and curvy) ride for us. There will be more time on the boat. Like getting another "summer" after this one.
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Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:29 am quote
KABarash wrote:
Captain Jim wrote:
One last ride here in the Black Hills - tomorrow, we start the "getting ready to roll" process and wander our way back south.


To say with the "theme" of this thread, the Vespa got 94.38 mpg today, the PCX got 111 mpg.

We have had a great couple of months here in the Black Hills. (My heart is happy, my hip is healing.)
Hmmm...... 🤔 Maybe you should re-think a bit. Sounds like both the bikes prefer life there.
It’s doing you good as well.

I think the ‘sweet spot’ you speak of is the Black Hills....
You have a good point, but there is this little thing called "Winter" out there.

Kind of a game-changer for riding.
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Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:27 am quote
As we head back towards home, we decided to spend a week in Texas Hill Country (based ourselves in Fredericksburg). I wanted to make a trip into Austin to check out AF1 Racing's inventory. I thought my wife might like the look and feel of the new GTS... but, no. She got the opportunity to "test sit" a BV350 (more her style), but she was really taken with a 2019 Yamaha Xmax they had taken in on a trade for a GTS 300. Short story: we went back two days later and bought the Xmax.

Nice bike, and a completely different approach from my GTS. The Xmax has a fuel mileage readout, so she knows she was getting about 76 mpg on our ride back from Austin. The only way to know how my GTS was doing was by looking at the odometer and fuel gauge. I was surprised to find that I got 82 mpg with all highway riding, mostly between 55 and 65 mph.

While we have had our scoots in the Phoenix area (our daughter lives there), we tend to stay on secondary roads where the PCX was more comfortable. Neither of us particularly enjoy mixing it up with fast big city traffic on the scoots, but the GTS handles it without breaking a sweat. The PCX was close to maxed out at 65mph. Her Xmax isn't even breathing hard at that speed.

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Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:20 am quote
Over 8000 miles on my 2019 GTS, I've gotten 58-64 MPG. That's on E10 91-93 octane premium gas. Unfortunately no ethinol free premium on my routes to work. That's mostly travelling 50-65 MPH on back roads.
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Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:38 am quote
My 2018 GTS is pegged @ 75 miles per gallon with or without E10. She gets 94 octane w/o ethanol because my baby deserves the best although she doesn't go further.
Doesn't being a snowbird cause you to become thin skinned and lose resistance to cool temps? That's probably the point. Enjoy winter on the boat.
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Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:51 pm quote
maydaymike wrote:
Over 8000 miles on my 2019 GTS, I've gotten 58-64 MPG. That's on E10 91-93 octane premium gas. Unfortunately no ethinol free premium on my routes to work. That's mostly travelling 50-65 MPH on back roads.
That is closer to what I expected when I bought this GTS used, last year. I think my first fill-up was 70 mpg. That seems to be what I get when we are at home (sea level, only enthanol available, premium 91 to 93 octane). Also why I started this thread: having more fun riding those great roads in the Black Hills AND getting far better fuel mileage. Makes no sense. That's two summers with consistently better mileage than the rest of the year, at lower elevation.
RP Tech wrote:
My 2018 GTS is pegged @ 75 miles per gallon with or without E10. She gets 94 octane w/o ethanol because my baby deserves the best although she doesn't go further.
Doesn't being a snowbird cause you to become thin skinned and lose resistance to cool temps? That's probably the point. Enjoy winter on the boat.
I guess we would be the opposite of a snowbird: we get out of the heat during the summer, preferring to head north where we can find cooler temps. We sold our cruising boat and now have a small boat that we can take out for local sight-seeing and dolphin watching. (No liveaboard facilities) But, we do have a dock right out our back door (home is on a canal just off the ICW), so shorter day trips any time we feel like it.

The downside is the riding around our home is a bit lacking: flat as can be, hard to find an actual curve. So, we take the scoots out for lunch; cruise around on some back roads (still flat and straight), maybe head to the nearby National Wildlife Refuge. Definitely not the fun riding we have when we haul the scoots north. Trade-offs.
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Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:36 pm quote
It has been a while since I've posted on this thread. On topping off our tanks today, I got 76 mpg; a mix of in town and highway riding. And my wife, with her Xmax, got... 76 mpg. Larger, heavier, more horsepower... and the same mpg. Go figure.

First time since we've been home that it has been comfortably cool for a ride today. I actually put a wind shirt on underneath my mesh armor jacket.

Also, an anniversary of sorts for me today: 6 months since the hip replacement. I am totally convinced that scooter riding has really helped with my recuperation... I am getting really good "smiles per gallon."
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:57 pm quote
There are worse ways to spend a Monday: out on the scoots, across the causeway for breakfast at my favorite Monday breakfast place, and some scootin' around. We swapped scoots for some highway riding - seems we both prefer what we have (nice when it works out that way 😉). Riding position matters...

https://captnjim.blogspot.com/2019/11/its-like-iron-mountain-road.html







Scooter swap...



We stopped to fuel up on the way home. When we both had PCXes, her mileage was always better than mine. I attributed that to our weight difference (I outweigh her by a pound or 50). Going with my GTS and her Xmax, I expected to finally beat her mileage. Nope. The Xmax is heavier and has more horsepower than my GTS; this fill-up: she got 86mph, I got 83.

We both, however, got in some good riding.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:44 am quote
Re: Impressed
WEB-Tech wrote:
RP Tech wrote:
Picked up my new 2018 this past Memorial day and never paid much attention to ethanol additive. That is until going to Amerivespa where several of us topped off and I was schooled on the corn product. Apparently our engines are high compression and eth may cause pre-ignition problems in the long run.Checking the owners manual said we can use up to 10% eth. But this forum recommends pure gasoline for improved mileage and no undue header problems you might have using 10% eth.
You were either told wrong or understood wrong. Doesn't matter if the gas has Eth or not the Octane controls pre ignition. If it is the right octane you will NOT have pre ignition problem.
And no reason in the world expect MPG is there a reason to worry about using 10% eth in a newer motor.
And in 45 years of working on cars, motorcycles, lawn mowers and boat motors have I ever heard that the gas you run can affect exhaust gaskets
Don't know who you were talking too but that weren't giving you facts, they were giving you their opinion, which is wrong.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:00 am quote
Re: Impressed
RP Tech wrote:
Let me start by saying your places visited map in incredible; you scooted the whole country including Hawaii where you probably rented.Is that what you do', rent at your destination?

Picked up my new 2018 this past Memorial day and never paid much attention to ethanol additive. That is until going to Amerivespa where several of us topped off and I was schooled on the corn product. Apparently our engines are high compression and eth may cause pre-ignition problems in the long run.Checking the owners manual said we can use up to 10% eth. But this forum recommends pure gasoline for improved mileage and no undue header problems you might have using 10% eth.
MPG before using 10% eth and several tank fulls after with 93 octane 0 ethanol proved no better. I'm at 75-76 miles per gallon. A slight improvement in pick-up from a dead stop is all I physically noticed due to the increased octane rating.
RP if your bike is still quite low miles the motor will still likely be quite tight. The 300 Vespa engine needs around 5-7k miles to fully loosen up. It varies a little depending how its ridden. As it does so performance does improve, as does mpg. Increased octane rating on its own doesn't normally give an increase in performance. In fact too higher octane will lower your performance as that fuel will have a much slower flame propagation causing too slower burn rate which results in wasting energy/power leading to worse mpg. There is no more stored energy in higher octane fuel than there is in low octane fuel. What you may notice with slightly higher octane fuels sometimes is a small improvement in power due to extra cleaners and other additives in the higher octane fuel which cleans your valves and injector. But if your motor is already clean you won't notice a difference.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:28 pm quote
Got my butt kicked in the fuel mileage competition today. A cool day for our norms, only made it to the upper 60s, with a 15mph NE wind. We put on an extra layer and went out on the scoots to enjoy the sunshine...



When we fueled up, my Vespa got 74mpg; Joan's Xmax got 90mpg. Not even close!

We managed to find a curve today...



OK, not much of a curve, and that is some flat terrain out there. Still enjoyed the riding!
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:04 pm quote
I had to have blood drawn for another medical test - they didn't tell me about that during my office call yesterday, so (of course) I hadn't been fasting... at 3:00 in the afternoon.

I suggested we take the scoots (about 45 miles to the doctor's office) this morning, and I'd take us out for a big breakfast after. My Honey researched some alternate routing that kept us off the Expressway where some road resurfacing is being done... turned it into a more pleasant 60 mile ride instead.

Not much of a wait to get the blood drawn, breakfast was tasty, and different routing for the ride home. Our morning had started off cool and foggy, but the ride home was in glorious sunshine and temps in the low 70s.

We topped off tanks before getting to our island, and the Xmax again outdid my GTS: she got 84mpg, I got 78.

https://captnjim.blogspot.com/2019/12/solidarity.html

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Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:48 pm quote
Over the course of 20,100 miles, I’ve averaged 61mpg. Best about 70, worst was 46. I spend a LOT of time on higher-speed roads: probably more than 2/3 of my miles are a mix of 55mph highways and 65-70 mph (posted) interstates. The rest is mostly 45 mph surface roads with a small percentage of 20-35 mph downtown stop-and-go. I have noticed a relatively linear direct relation between speed and fuel efficiency...but I don’t get the opportunity to enjoy going slowly too often.
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:58 am quote
Jim: I totally love this travelogue of yours with your wife–proverbial stuff that dreams are made of. (Also glad she's settled on a bike she's actually happy with.)

Cheshire: Very much with you on this: I'm now well past the 10k mile mark with Melody, and now doing a good deal more fast highway miles with her. Mileage has been a low of about 64mpg to a high of 75mpg; a lot of my "run with the bulls" highway runs average 65mph, with occasional runs at 75, and that rare, flat-out run at about 85, where mileage predictably trends downward. And–within reason–the harder I run the bike, the better she runs.
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Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:43 pm quote
It has been a while since any consideration of "a sweet spot." We are back in the Black Hills, and are enjoying the great riding.

http://captnjim.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-ride-is-never-long-enough.html

From a couple days ago, riding Vanocker Canyon in the northern Black Hills.

The MPG competition continues, and the Blonde on her Xmax is beating me on the GTS: the fuel up that day was 96mpg on the Vespa, she got 107mpg with her Xmax. Tracking MPG on scoots is probably insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but it is one more area where we can compete. It just amazes me that her Xmax which is 50 pounds heavier than my GTS, more horsepower, and faster in pretty much all respects, still gets better mileage.

Neither of us are gentle on the throttle while riding through the fun roads here.







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Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:48 pm quote
Got to say, I have never been consumed with miles per gallon. It’s worth whatever the cost is. And it isn’t much compared to a lot of other pursuits. My touring bike.

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Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:51 pm quote
I have never paid any attention to mileage. I’m sure it’s better than almost any other bike that I found. It’s my touring ride these days.

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Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:35 am quote
Check the blog - it's about a whole lot more than MPG. My lovely wife has become more competitive in the 48 years we've been married. When we had the same scoots (Honda PCXs), she always got better fuel mileage than me... it became a competition. OK, not much of a competition, because she always won. We haven't had matching bikes all that often over the years, but a pair of Goldwings, and a Harley dresser and a Heritage Softail made for competitions, too.

Cards, beanbag, board games... I laugh about that stuff, she takes it serious. She's a great cook and tries to make each meal better than the last... good for me!

We don't race on the scoots, but we do take turns taking the lead. I have to be on my toes to stay up with her.
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