MP3 Countersteering
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2009 Piaggio MP3 500ie
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:05 pm quote
So on the MP3, is it me or is counter-steering on this beast "counter-intuitive". I understand the concept of counter-steering on a motorcycle: Push on the left side handlebar = go left, right side = go right. But on the MP3, my brain tells me to just lean and forgo the push to turn. Granted, I only do city streets and never get above 45 and haven't hit any long winded turns requiring much counter-steer...

Straightforward question:

Does the MP3 counter-steer the same way as a moto or is my brain getting the best of me.
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:08 pm quote
Leaning only works till there is too much gyroscopic energy from the two front tires to overcome just leaning.
You want to counter steer.
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MP3 500, GTS 250 (both 2008 MY), 2012 Honda NC700 DCT
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:30 pm quote
Yes, counter steer.
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2020 MP3 Sport 500 HPE ABS ASR
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:38 pm quote
It countersteers just like any other bike.
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:42 pm quote
Re: MP3 Countersteering
Nurdo84 wrote:
So on the MP3, is it me or is counter-steering on this beast "counter-intuitive". I understand the concept of counter-steering on a motorcycle: Push on the left side handlebar = go left, right side = go right. But on the MP3, my brain tells me to just lean and forgo the push to turn. Granted, I only do city streets and never get above 45 and haven't hit any long winded turns requiring much counter-steer...

Straightforward question:

Does the MP3 counter-steer the same way as a moto or is my brain getting the best of me.
yes you counter steer just like any other 2 wheel motorcycle,

go do this test.

find an open parking lot.
in a straight line travel about 10-15 mph and just push left.
now do the same and taking your left hand off the bars and just lean left.

come back and tell me which was easier to do.
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:12 am quote
Yes, the MP3 countersteers just like any PTW - for the same reasons.
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:12 am quote
Play a game while you're out on a quiet street. While you're riding, choose a manhole cover or pothole or tar strip, and decide that you're going to avoid it. Then decide if you're gonna go to the left or right. And counter steer around it.

Easy Peasy mac n cheesy
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2016 mp3 500 sport
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Location: San Diego California
Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:32 pm quote
Your brain is not getting the best of you.....I too have felt myself leaning into turns without much steering input. I believe that is due to the high center of gravity of the mp3 compared to other maxi scooters. It is not possible to 'throw' an mp3 into a turn like some other scooters, or at least I can't do it.
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2019 MP3 500hpe Sport
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:36 pm quote
Leaning is not what turns a bike, it is countersteer. Each time you go into a corner, you subconsciously countersteer, whether you know it or not. It is more or less muscle memory through practice and then becomes second nature.

If you were to put a fixed bar on a motorcycle above the handlebars to allow you not to countersteer, you would find that leaning is not what causes it to turn but only to lean. You may have a very slight bit of turning with the lean but maybe enough to move the bike with very slight directional change.
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Piaggio MP3 HPE Sport ABS-ASR
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Location: Paris, France
Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:21 pm quote
Not very flickable
I've had my MP3 for a few days now and probably I'm not used to it, but it seemes it is a lot more sluggish to flick than a regular 2 wheeler. It's really nice for big roads, but in tight bends it will understeer and also changing the direction abruptly can be a challenge.
Let's call it as it is.. it's heavy 3 wheeled scooter, not a sports bike
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:30 pm quote
Re: Not very flickable
fredkreuger wrote:
I've had my MP3 for a few days now and probably I'm not used to it, but it seemes it is a lot more sluggish to flick than a regular 2 wheeler. It's really nice for big roads, but in tight bends it will understeer and also changing the direction abruptly can be a challenge.
Let's call it as it is.. it's heavy 3 wheeled scooter, not a sports bike
Give it some time, Fred. It's a different feel, to be sure, but it can be quite nimble when you get used to it.
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Aprilia Scarabeo 500
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:42 am quote
Re: Not very flickable
fredkreuger wrote:
I've had my MP3 for a few days now and probably I'm not used to it, but it seemes it is a lot more sluggish to flick than a regular 2 wheeler. It's really nice for big roads, but in tight bends it will understeer and also changing the direction abruptly can be a challenge.
Let's call it as it is.. it's heavy 3 wheeled scooter, not a sports bike
I felt the same way when I rode my buddy's MP3 500. I certainly didn't like it at first, but once I started riding it more and more, it became apparent that it is a much different sort of scooter. It does take some getting use to, but you can certainly flick it hard and be confident it will pull you throughout the corner. It is very nimble for its heavy weight but it is very manageable. You will get more use to it the longer you ride it.
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Piaggio MP3 500
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Location: Austin, TX
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:00 am quote
Yes, I find that's true- my other scooter, I can just lean- which is a bad habit- but the MP3 seems to resist leaning after a certain point, and to get it to lean further, you have to actively countersteer. But the same countersteering works the same on the other scooter, if I don't lean. So now I just countersteer all bikes, which is way quicker.
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2009 MP3 400
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:57 am quote
Different chassis platforms will respond differently. A small lightweight scooter will respond to most anything. Lean, sneeze, leaf blower... The more mass you add to the machine, the more you need to apply control inputs where they actually have an effect.

I spend a lot of time on a liter class touring bike. When I first bought it the handling performance wasn't what I thought it ought to be. After researching a bit and being reminded to actively and intentionally counter-steer, I went out and did it. That big horse nearly shot off the inside of the turn before I could say whoa!.

The mp3 has a little higher center of gravity than a smaller 2-wheeler, and the seat of the pants feel is a little vague at first, but it'll dance around no problem once learn how to talk to it. Just take the goat by the horns and counter-steer.
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Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:12 am quote
mpfrank wrote:
It countersteers just like any other bike.
+1
Never had a problem myself, similar to two wheeler's.

Keith,
Marietta, GA
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