Anyone install Clearwater Darla Running lights on a GTV/S?
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Ossessionato
2009 GTV250, 2003 Inder trailer, 2001 BMW R1100RT
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:48 pm quote
If so where? I'm really interested in additional daytime visibility.

I have them on my BMW and many BMW and other touring bike have them. They are quite bright and really stand out in traffic. I ride the yellow lenses. They are not so bright as to blind anyone during the day but would at night if you don't turn the brightness down with the included weatherproof control knob. Even tho my BMW has a 10K lumen LED headlight, the 2x2000 lumen yellow Darla's really made quite a noticeable difference in terms of people turning in front of me. I've only had them a couple weeks. They are pricey.

If you installed them or other running light, where did you put them. I don't have, nor do I want, a front rack to mount them to.

Clearwater has a version with a single light mounted to the Vespa front shock cover - see below. While it is probably effective, I think you really need to have the light or lights a bit higher up to get the most attention. Especially so because the wheel will block its glow on the right side of the bike. The Vespa GTS/GTV 250 may not have sufficient electrical capacity for two lights (24 Watts for each light) but certainly will power one light if you converted you GTS/GTV headlight to an LED (I did) and it conserves about 25 Watts. If you convert all the incandescent bulbs to LED, you can save another 20-25 Watts. I also don't like the aesthetics of the LED mounted to the front shock cover. it just looks pasted on.

I wondered aloud to my self about retrofitting a Darla on top of the GTV fender light or in the horn cover. Thoughts? I'm just kicking this concept around and interested in other's opinions.

I started down this path a few months ago when I saw the Darlas on a BMW, two cars behind me at a stop light. He was unmistakably conspicuous. I put the car in park and ran back to ask what they were and had been eyeing them ever since.

TIA, Miguel

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Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:06 pm quote
I am also interested in this concept of more front lighting to increase visibility to on coming drivers.

I had aux lights installed on my BMW's and feel they helped with this dilema.

Curious as to how much the Vespa's electrical system can power.

Mine is a 2020 GTS300 model , thought it already had and LED front head lamp, am I mistaken ??
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Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:55 pm quote
DandyDoug wrote:
I am also interested in this concept of more front lighting to increase visibility to on coming drivers.

I had aux lights installed on my BMW's and feel they helped with this dilema.

Curious as to how much the Vespa's electrical system can power.

Mine is a 2020 GTS300 model , thought it already had and LED front head lamp, am I mistaken ??
I don't know what the spare capacity is either. I have a 250 that came with a 55/60 watt bulb. I replaced with a 25/30 watt led so I saved about 30 watts with that. I also replaced brake tail light saving another 4 watts. I do think the 2020 300gts does have an led headlight. The darla is 20 watts per bulb so conservatively, I could put in one darla with some remaining capacity.
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Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:14 pm quote
If that thing gets loose, you do know where it might end up, right?
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:36 am quote
Motovista wrote:
If that thing gets loose, you do know where it might end up, right?
There's that in addition to the fact that it just doesn't look good either. I'm looking for installation alternatives. You have any?

Best Miguel
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:15 am quote
Every time I've put fog lights on a bike, they ended up falling off, so I'm not the right person to ask.
Ossessionato
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:33 am quote
Motovista wrote:
Every time I've put fog lights on a bike, they ended up falling off, so I'm not the right person to ask.
Where have you tried mounting them? What was the failure caused by, fastener failure or failure of the part it was mounted to our failure of the light structure?

Thx Miguel
Molto Verboso
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:23 pm quote
I've put them on BMWs and Hondas. On the Hondas, mounted on tubular engine guards and existing fender bolts.. On the BMWs mounted on a caliper bolt location and also a fender bolt.

Don't buy cheap Chinese no name lights. Buy the name brands that have been around for motorcycles, they also have the bike specific proper mounts and hardware available through them. Examining the various selections, I'm sure you could figure out what's needed for a scooter.

If you're thinking of using a specific bolt location on the scooter, you'll have to know the bolt designation and length. ex- M5, etc.
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:55 pm quote
Vintage1 wrote:
I've put them on BMWs and Hondas. On the Hondas, mounted on tubular engine guards and existing fender bolts.. On the BMWs mounted on a caliper bolt location and also a fender bolt.

Don't buy cheap Chinese no name lights. Buy the name brands that have been around for motorcycles, they also have the bike specific proper mounts and hardware available through them. Examining the various selections, I'm sure you could figure out what's needed for a scooter.

If you're thinking of using a specific bolt location on the scooter, you'll have to know the bolt designation and length. ex- M5, etc.
My big questions is where to mount them on my GTV. Suggestions?

Thx. Miguel
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:34 pm quote
My friend Peter installed LED running lights. Not the ones you plan to install, but maybe his solution could be adapted.

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Ossessionato
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Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:09 am quote
That's exactly the type of info I'm looking for. Location, location, location. Tux David. I'll watch them in more detail later today. The bikeviz bullet is no longer available but the technique and location are directly applicable to most lights.

Miguel
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:44 pm quote
Mudguard protection
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cod. 602890M chrome

This Vespa front crash bar would be a good way to cover the US spec holes in the nose as well as provide a good place to mount some lights...

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Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:51 am quote
Somebody say fog lamps?

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I got your fog lamps...

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Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:04 pm quote
rosscooter wrote:
Somebody say fog lamps?
Do they work or just for show? Iím wondering about the electrical load.
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Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:25 pm quote
rosscooter wrote:
Somebody say fog lamps?
Do they work or just for show? Iím wondering about the electrical load.
saggezza di scala
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:05 am quote
As a former navy man, the term 'running lights' in the title of this thread had me picturing something slightly different:

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Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:13 am quote
hewl35 wrote:
rosscooter wrote:
Somebody say fog lamps?
Do they work or just for show? Iím wondering about the electrical load.
They work. Changed out the bulbs for LED. A lot more daytime visibility.

Fog lamps on the GTV
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:56 am quote
On my 2006 GTS I installed the Scooterwest turn signal to running lights and turn signal combo.

On the 2020 I thought there was led running lights along the edge of the turn signals already. I donít like the look of bullet lights on a Cespa. I do put the Admore light kit in my top box for better rear visibility. The higher tail, brake lights and turn signals make it much more visible from the rear.
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:19 am quote
I've also added the Scooterwest Switchback kit for the legshield lights. I did swap the bulbs provided for ones with greater illumination though.

I also put a couple of layers of yellow automotive fog light film on the lenses of those legshield lights. The light output is pretty good, and the yellow provides some additional contrast for oncoming traffic to improve visibility. The amber turn signal is still very easy to see even with the tinted film.

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New headlight and LED Running lights

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Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:56 pm quote
rosscooter wrote:
hewl35 wrote:
rosscooter wrote:
Somebody say fog lamps?
Do they work or just for show? Iím wondering about the electrical load.
They work. Changed out the bulbs for LED. A lot more daytime visibility.

Fog lamps on the GTV
Thanks for your answer and the link to your installation.
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