I purchased an abandoned VNB project.
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1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:57 pm quote
A few years ago I purchased an abandoned VNB project.
This scooter was a pile of parts when I purchased it.

Now that the Allstate is running It is time to make this thing run too.

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Primer gray. I'm going to leave it like this for a while.

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Is this saddle worth saving? Does anybody recover old saddles?

Hooked
1960 Series 2 Lambretta, 1962ish API series 2 Lambretta, 1974 Vespa Super 150, 1978 Rally 200, 1965 Allstate VNB
Joined: 18 Mar 2008
Posts: 260
Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin
Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:11 pm quote
Nice bike.

If you don't want that saddle I'll gladly take it for shipping plus a modest amount. I'm looking for a VNB frame to recover.
Hooked
1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:27 pm quote
pemkt wrote:
Nice bike.

If you don't want that saddle I'll gladly take it for shipping plus a modest amount. I'm looking for a VNB frame to recover.
Thank you.

It is the only saddle I have so I'm going to have to use it for now.

If I end up using a different saddle I'll let you know.
Ossessionato
2015 GTS300, 1974 Primavera, 04 Ninja 250
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:33 pm quote
cool project, would love to do the same!
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1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:02 pm quote
I made some progress on the VNB today and ran into a problem or two.

There is a black wire coming out of the wiring harness. I assume that it is a ground wire. What is the best place to hook it to?

The throttle cable seems short. I have the adjuster all the way in and the carb slide is only about halfway closed.

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Where should I attach this?

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Molto Verboso
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:32 pm quote
Ground connects to the top flywheel cover screw on px. Since that ground wire is so long you could probably attach it to the bottom left flywheel cover screw. You seem to be missing the screws except for the top one, including the cover in your photo.
Hooked
1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:01 pm quote
I made some more progress today.

I installed the proper length throttle cable and attached the ground.

I also installed a cheap o seat cover and Iím about halfway done fitting the floor rail.

I got her to fire up. All the lights work but the break switch is the wrong one. The brake light is on until I step on the brake pedal. Iíll order up the correct switch.
Hooked
1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:04 pm quote
I even took her for a spin around the block.

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bodgemaster
1963 GL, 1976 Super (x 2), 1974 Primavera (x 2), 2006 Fly 150
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:18 pm quote
Nice job on the seat
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1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:40 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Nice job on the seat
Thanks. Itís just the cheapest cover I could find from ScooterWest
Molto Verboso
08 GTS 250, 79 P200E, 62 Allstate
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Location: Florence, OR
Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:52 pm quote
Right on FNG - Congrats on running it around the block. A big milestone for sure!
Ossessionato
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Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:52 am quote
congrats. looks great. nice work.
Molto Verboso
2018 GTS300 Super Sport - Donatello Vespace
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Location: Toronto, Ontario Canada
Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:14 am quote
What is it about these old scoots that I find so sexy AF? Maybe it is the romantic allure of yesteryear? Perhaps I keep going back to the flic Roman Holiday with Gregory Peck and Audrey Hepburn? I donít know for sure, but I do think that seeing so many of them while in Italy just a couple of weeks back, reminded me of just how cool these really are.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:45 am quote
ride it more and smile mate
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1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:21 am quote
My VNB is now registered in the state of Vermont. Time for a ride.

Okay so the ride lasted for about 10 minutes and then the scooter stalled. I kicked and kicked no start.
Pulled the plug it was dry.
Walked / pushed home.
After 30 minutes I got it to start but it stalled again.

It looks like I get to rebuild my carburetor next.

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It was a nice day for a ride.

Ossessionato
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Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:22 am quote
Check fuel tap flow too
Hooked
1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:31 am quote
sdjohn wrote:
Check fuel tap flow too
Thanks for suggesting that.
How much fuel should a fuel tap flow?
Ossessionato
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Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:57 am quote
a half pint a minute at minimum, but better to flow a pint a minute especially fast flow taps
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1955 Allstate 1958 lambretta 1965 Allstate 1968 sprint
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Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:20 am quote
VNB project
You may also want to make sure your fuel tank is clean. Could be that the jets are getting plugged. I have one similar to you, even though I thought the fuel tank was clean I went ahead and installed a fuel filter anyway. Those jets are small and get plugged easy.
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1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:48 pm quote
sdjohn wrote:
a half pint a minute at minimum, but better to flow a pint a minute especially fast flow taps
I tested it and it was flowing less than a 1/2 pint a minute.

I replaced it with a new tap that was for the VLB engine project.

Now it flows a little less than a pint a minute.

Also carburetor is apart for cleaning. Rebuild kit is ordered.
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1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:51 pm quote
Sjanuary wrote:
You may also want to make sure your fuel tank is clean. Could be that the jets are getting plugged. I have one similar to you, even though I thought the fuel tank was clean I went ahead and installed a fuel filter anyway. Those jets are small and get plugged easy.
Where do you put the filter? Under the tank or after the fuel line exits the body?
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1955 Allstate 1958 lambretta 1965 Allstate 1968 sprint
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Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:22 pm quote
VNB project
I have installed fuel filters in both places. Not a whole bunch of room outside the body. The last one I installed was under the seat. Itís not like you change them all the time so under the seat I think might be better.
Ossessionato
2015 GTS300, 1974 Primavera, 04 Ninja 250
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Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:54 pm quote
If you add a filter you will need to recheck fuel flow, some are quite restrictive. Iíd just order a new fast flow tap next time you are ordering up parts.
Hooked
1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:53 pm quote
I finished the carb rebuild a while ago but I havenít had time to road test it until today.
It runs great. I went for a nice little 50 minute ride.

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Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:01 pm quote
looks great!
Hooked
1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:16 pm quote
hibbert wrote:
looks great!
Thank you.
Itís a 10 x 10. If you look at it for 10 seconds from 10 feet away it looks great. Look any longer or from any closer...

It sure is fun to ride.
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P200 PX150
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:13 pm quote
Nice save. Great curves on those
Molto Verboso
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:16 am quote
It looks like its in fantastic condition.
Hooked
1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:41 pm quote
I rode 60 miles today. Thatís my longest ride so far.
The VNB ran great but at some point my headlight, taillight and horn stopped working.
The brakelight still works but only when the light switch is turned off.
Any idea what happened or what I should check first?

Thanks for the help.

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GL, PK, PE200 with hack, Sears Rust Badge
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:54 pm quote
Maybe one of your wires shook loose during the ride. Check voltage coming from the stator starting at the junction box, then switch, then headlights wires while the scooter is running. If you dont have around 6v while revving the motor,
the problem is in that area. Voltage from the stator goes through your horn and then up to the headset and check there if voltage is ok at the other places. While checking wire voltage make sure the connections in that area is fine. Do you know if a regulator is installed? Throw up some pics of the open junction box if not sure which wire is what?
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1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:39 pm quote
some success
rowdyc wrote:
Maybe one of your wires shook loose during the ride. Check voltage coming from the stator starting at the junction box, then switch, then headlights wires while the scooter is running. If you dont have around 6v while revving the motor,
the problem is in that area. Voltage from the stator goes through your horn and then up to the headset and check there if voltage is ok at the other places. While checking wire voltage make sure the connections in that area is fine. Do you know if a regulator is installed? Throw up some pics of the open junction box if not sure which wire is what?
rowdyc thanks for the direction.
I found a loose wire on the horn. The wires to the horn are too short. I have these stupid little connectors joining a little more wire to reach the horn. One of the connectors was not crimped down all the way.

I fiddled with the headlight a little and got that to work too.

The only thing that still isn't working is the taillight.
I ran out of daylight.
It is strange that the brakelight works but only when the headlight is off.

A regulator has not been installed on this scooter.

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open junction box

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switch

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front of switch

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wiring

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Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:57 pm quote
Glad you got you some of your lights back.
Check the ground in the rear brake light to see if that will fix the problem. You will need to take the cover off and inspect and/or clean the connection.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:10 pm quote
Nice project. I love the gray.
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1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:56 pm quote
Iím trying to get my brake light / taillight sorted.
I donít actually know which bulb should be wired to the brake and which is the taillight.

Is the brake light the top bulb and the taillight the bottom bulb or the other way around?

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Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:44 am quote
Yes, top light is brake, bottom is for the taillight.
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1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:38 am quote
timthemod wrote:
Yes, top light is brake, bottom is for the taillight.
Thank you.
Hooked
1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:16 am quote
Iím looking to upgrade to 12v.
It looks like there are AC and DC ignitions available.

Iím thinking AC because I donít know any better.
Any reason I should go DC?

Iím thinking of this one
http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/ignition+sip+performance+by_510061ra
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Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:57 pm quote
FNG - been enjoying your find and build. Sheís a beauty.

You have the right one for non-variable/ static AC.

I went with DC on mine.
Tho I added a battery - I would have chosen it for another reason in any event: ability to run LED lights.

I got some inexpensively on Amazon for tail and brake. Same housing as you have. Results were nothing short of remarkable. Much brighter, much cooler.

If you decide to go with DC to allow LEDS, you will need to change your brake switch at the foot pedal. You will also need to replace - or just modify - the handlebar switch.

If you have any thoughts about adding bar end blinkers or the like - the DC will allow LEDS there as well.

Good luck - sweet bike.
-CM
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1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 111
Location: Cambria, CA
Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:14 pm quote
charlieman22 wrote:
FNG - been enjoying your find and build. Sheís a beauty.

You have the right one for non-variable/ static AC.

I went with DC on mine.
Tho I added a battery - I would have chosen it for another reason in any event: ability to run LED lights.

I got some inexpensively on Amazon for tail and brake. Same housing as you have. Results were nothing short of remarkable. Much brighter, much cooler.

If you decide to go with DC to allow LEDS, you will need to change your brake switch at the foot pedal. You will also need to replace - or just modify - the handlebar switch.

If you have any thoughts about adding bar end blinkers or the like - the DC will allow LEDS there as well.

Good luck - sweet bike.
-CM
Thanks.
I do like the idea of LED lights.
It would be nice to be a little more visible. Can I go DC without adding a battery?
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:52 am quote
I believe you can run everything off the dc system without a battery - but probably worth shooting a note to SIP to confirm before ordering - or just call their customer service.

Iíll try and find a link to the low profile LEDs I found that shoe horned nicely into the tail light - and post them. I recall using red ones for brake light to avoid it washing out the tail light and making it look whiteish when it glows - due to brightness. Worked well.
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