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Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:53 am quote
Bill Dog wrote:
Well, met and they don't make it any more.

And we're on Euro 4 now.

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The PX is still ULEZ compliant. Fact or not?
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Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:00 am quote
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Oh correct but we weren't talking about that.

You said the PX meets Euro 3 but as it's no longer made it's academic.

Piaggio were going to make it Euro 4 but they consigned it to history.

Whose supposed to have a 4 x 4 ?

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Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:03 am quote
Re: Bizz
Bill Dog wrote:
Oh correct but we weren't talking about that.

You said the PX meets Euro 3 but as it's no longer made it's academic.

Whose supposed to have a 4 x 4 ?

Bill x
Read the post you bell. He said 2-strokes are banned from the city. Absolute FUD.
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Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:05 am quote
Ish
Oh Poppet. Did I hurt your feelings ?

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Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:06 am quote
Re: Ish
Bill Dog wrote:
Oh Poppet. Did I hurt your feelings ?

Bill x
Get back on your clown bike muppet.

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Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:07 am quote
Big
At least I a have a job even if it is at the Circus.

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Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:17 am quote
Re: Lump
Bill Dog wrote:
He's an idea which would be brilliant if it wasn't for the unstoppable tsunami of electric vehicles.

So every ten years the insurance companies hike the cost to cover older, less efficient vehicles to the point where it becomes financially prohibitive to run them.

An incentive to buy newer bikes, cars, even trucks is dangled in front of potential customers and the traded vehicle is scrapped, dismantled and recycled.

Manufacturers get to sell more vehicles and their modern engines do less damage to the environment.

One of each last model goes to a beautiful museum where the previous owners can point at them and act nostalgic rather than keep running these inefficient ageing pieces of crap forever because the rest of us have moved on.

Bill x
The U.S. actually did that for cars a decade or so ago. "Cash for Clunkers" program. It worked to jumpstart the auto industry.

Californians can weigh in here, I believe they have very high registration fees for gas guzzlers.
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:35 am quote
All clear except one thing ...
What is a "muppet"?
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:47 am quote
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We had the same thing over here after 2008 killed everything off.

It was a brilliant idea and I'm pretty sure it worked but the downside of it was there were plenty of classic cars that went to the crusher in the name of removing outdated combustion engines from the roads and of course kick starting the auto industry.

I change my car every 3 years and PTW's every two so I'm driving/riding the most efficient engines therefore I pollute less each time I make my purchase.

I'm doing my bit so why can't you. Oh I get it, because of nostalgia.

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Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:13 am quote
Re: Lump
Vintage1 wrote:
Bill Dog wrote:
He's an idea which would be brilliant if it wasn't for the unstoppable tsunami of electric vehicles.

So every ten years the insurance companies hike the cost to cover older, less efficient vehicles to the point where it becomes financially prohibitive to run them.

An incentive to buy newer bikes, cars, even trucks is dangled in front of potential customers and the traded vehicle is scrapped, dismantled and recycled.

Manufacturers get to sell more vehicles and their modern engines do less damage to the environment.

One of each last model goes to a beautiful museum where the previous owners can point at them and act nostalgic rather than keep running these inefficient ageing pieces of crap forever because the rest of us have moved on.

Bill x
The U.S. actually did that for cars a decade or so ago. "Cash for Clunkers" program. It worked to jumpstart the auto industry.

Californians can weigh in here, I believe they have very high registration fees for gas guzzlers.
And now anyone owning an older car has trouble finding USED parts because the cars could not just go to junk yards they had to be destroyed.

Like I said programs like this hurt the poor the most. So let's keep them down with stupid programs.
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:29 am quote
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And there's the incentive.

Older cars were given a trade in price that was way above their actual value so if you're looking for help, financial help, there it is.

Parts will always be sold to owners that drive newer products as they'll still need servicing and repairs.

If you want to go to the extreme newer cars won't need that many parts so you won't have to go looking that often if at all.

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Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:39 am quote
Re: Resolve
Bill Dog wrote:
And there's the incentive.

Older cars were given a trade in price that was way above their actual value so if you're looking for help, financial help, there it is.

Parts will always be sold to owners that drive newer products as they'll still need servicing and repairs.

If you want to go to the extreme newer cars won't need that many parts so you won't have to go looking that often if at all.

Bill x
So trade in your $2000 car for a $35,000 car with a $700 a month payment.
Yeah someone making $12.50 an hour can afford that

You don't understand the US, if you live away from a large city you don't have public transportation, AT ALL. So no car no work, or find someone to ride with.
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:01 am quote
Big
Yes I do understand the US.

Been coming once a year since 1991 and I've been all over so we're good on that score so I know how big it is and just how bad public transport can be.

For things to change people have to want to change.

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Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:28 pm quote
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I change my car every 3 years and PTW's every two so I'm driving/riding the most efficient engines therefore I pollute less each time I make my purchase.
Betcha the net pollution generated by the manufacture and use of the 2 cars and 3 PTWs you consume every six years exceeds that of my 1 forty year-old two stroke.
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:05 pm quote
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Yes but I bet that I'm not choking out the entire highway with my exhaust as every purchase represents a step forward in technology.

It being oil free and all that.

Toyota 65 mpg

Kymco 55 mpg

Benelli 70 mpg.

Oh, 85 % of the Toyota can be recycled.

It's like coal, it's outdated.

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Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:49 pm quote
Yeah and electricity and batteries are made from fairy dust
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:04 pm quote
Big
Oh no the raw materials to make them is mined out of the earth just like the oil and gas in your scooter but unlike the scooter the other technology is constantly developing and improving.

It's OK I get it, but if it was a car throwing that much crap out of it's pipe it would be taken off the road but because of its nostalgic and iconic status it somehow seems just fine to carry on belching out that toxic fog.

Even though I was born in the 60's I choose not to live in them.

A huge change is coming in the auto industry and I'm going to be at the Vanguard rather than in the Guards Van.

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:24 am quote
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:16 am quote
Re: Big
Bill Dog wrote:
Oh no the raw materials to make them is mined out of the earth just like the oil and gas in your scooter but unlike the scooter the other technology is constantly developing and improving.

It's OK I get it, but if it was a car throwing that much crap out of it's pipe it would be taken off the road but because of its nostalgic and iconic status it somehow seems just fine to carry on belching out that toxic fog.

Even though I was born in the 60's I choose not to live in them.

A huge change is coming in the auto industry and I'm going to be at the Vanguard rather than in the Guards Van.

Bill x
You don't like 2 strokes. I think everyone gets it. Go buy an electric bike and move on. I'll keep riding mine until it's banned. Then I won't. Then I'll buy one of these candles.

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:55 am quote
Instead I like two-stroke engines but I prefer the Pringles box, similar in appearance but better in content
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:35 am quote
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You don't like 2 strokes.
Actually a lot of folk don't like 2 strokes, including me. The old emissions test here in London only tested NOx gas (nitrogen oxides) and it just so happens that 2 strokes aren't so bad on these which is why a few would pass. Where 2 strokes fall far short are the hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, and smoke they spew out. It doesn't matter so much when it's just one guy taking his pride and joy out for a Sunday ride but when people are commuting into crowded cities on them then it's just not fair on the rest of us. Roughly 4.5m people die per year from air pollution related diseases, this isn't counting lesser effects like asthma and skin diseases.
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:11 am quote
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It's not the fact that I don't like 2 strokes I just don't want to breathe on the choking fumes that they spew out in the name of nostalgia.

If you've ever been riding on a city street in the summer behind one of these museum pieces you'd understand.

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:46 am quote
If nothing else, they smell better than diesel ...
But you want to put that delicious blue mist and the splatters of unburned oil projected backwards ...
So I learned all about scooters: that they were wonderful, that nothing could match them, that they had a voice and smell, that they could be tamed with great skill, but that they could also kill, without fault, without malice, without understanding, but he was sure they could do it . What a great, what a great original sin they did not deserve to have inherited from human fallibility.
Each of us is born with a certain amount of fuel in the tank of which we do not know the quantity. Some have been filled, others have half and others are born that are already in reserve. The only healthy thing is to ride a scooter like nothing else and when you hear the carburetor suddenly empties, it's your time.
In bends we bend so much that the problem is not the gnats, but the earthworms.
We scooter riders feel at heart the true nobility of the road, the last wandering riders discriminated against for their choice that goes in the opposite direction to the general homologation, which exalts the supreme virtue that is individualism.
Robert Patrick said: "Do not buy a Harley with the head, but with the balls and the heart."
The same concept is true for the scooter but reversed: "Do not buy a Vespa with balls, but with the head and the heart."
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:52 am quote
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And here's Bob with the weather.

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:10 am quote
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Bill Dog wrote:
And here's Bob with the weather.

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Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:03 am quote
Bill Dog wrote:
It's not the fact that I don't like 2 strokes I just don't want to breathe on the choking fumes that they spew out in the name of nostalgia.

If you've ever been riding on a city street in the summer behind one of these museum pieces you'd understand.

Bill x
We get it. You’d rather buy 5 disposable vehicles and let the poor suckers who make and recycle them deal with the unpleasant crap
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:15 am quote
... I did not understand "poor suckers" .... is it a metaphor?
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:21 am quote
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I honestly have no idea what that post meant.

Still, good work Fella.

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