Some scoots of summer
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:46 am quote
In June/July, we were so lucky to be able to travel with the kids for a couple of weeks in Europe -- rare to do a special trip like that. Now summer's over and New England's already cooling down fast it seems, but I have happy memories of the classic scooters that I spotted while exploring the city streets over there. We also dropped in to see a decent collection of classic Vespas at Rome's Bici e Baci museum.

Despite the explosion of 4-stroke bikes (and the small rentable electric scooters absolutely everywhere!), two strokes are still frequently driven. I grabbed some photos of bikes whenever I could, sometimes running into the road or darting around the corner, much to the annoyance of my family. Below is a small selection of shots.

Did others find some cool not-so-modern Vespas and Lambrettas in their far-flung travels and snag a photo to share? Post it here!

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France

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Italy

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Bici e Baci Vespa Museum, Rome

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LML Star? Naples...

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J50 Special

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Athens

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Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:55 am quote
Thanks for the pics ZZ - they are awesome! I especially like this one. What a fabulous adventure you and your wife lined up.

OK, here is my favorite!

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I love it!

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Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:31 am quote
qascooter wrote:
Thanks for the pics ZZ - they are awesome! I especially like this one. What a fabulous adventure you and your wife lined up.

OK, here is my favorite!
Thank you QA! Yes, sometimes the kids got into the game with me a bit.

Cool 125cc scooter too for us Americani since they were Euro models and I guess werenít exported to the USA.
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:45 am quote
Thanks for posting these. It's a real pleasure seeing these bikes in their 'native' environment.
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:52 am quote
Nice photos!! That T.S. is also my fav. Itís basically a 125 Rally. That Ape is used for distribution of newspapers and magazines (ΔΙΑΝΟΜΗ ΤΥΠΟΥ). Apes are used all over Athens (garbage collection, cleaning, services, etc.). They are pretty capable despite their small 50cc engine...
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:08 am quote
pemkt wrote:
Thanks for posting these. It's a real pleasure seeing these bikes in their 'native' environment.
Thanks Pemkt! Yes, so many great road warriors still in use. Occasionally, though, even bodgy-looking scoots would appear. I'm not sure what to think about this one in Paris:

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:15 am quote
SaFiS wrote:
Nice photos!! That T.S. is also my fav. Itís basically a 125 Rally. That Ape is used for distribution of newspapers and magazines (ΔΙΑΝΟΜΗ ΤΥΠΟΥ). Apes are used all over Athens (garbage collection, cleaning, services, etc.). They are pretty capable despite their small 50cc engine...
The Apes really impressed me for their staying power after all these years and also because we never see them in the states (anymore). But, is it possible that Piaggio was still selling new Apes around Europe in recent years? Some looked almost showroom quality. This one was a classic, though:

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:14 am quote
Apes are still in production and the Ape 50 (now Euro 4 compliant) is the most versatile 3 wheeler still being sold across Europe...

http://www.piaggiocommercialvehicles.com/en_EN/models/ape/

And hereís a friendís Ape he converted to a mobile coffee spot for special events, etc...

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:31 pm quote
Interesting. I didn't know they were still being made. A good friend's father on Kefalonia had an old one he loved, slowly putt putt putting where he needed to go and eventually getting there. I think it had a 50cc motor. Maybe 10 years ago he suddenly had a brand new one and was SO proud, giving rides on request! I think it was faster, never knew what motor it had.

Got curious & checked to see what motor they put in them now, 2T or what due to all the new regs. Found this and more, these things are prob a silent cash cow for Piaggio and come in several variations of 2 basic models plus a mini limousine! Safis, what DO they charge for these now? Nothing on the website.

Here's that limo and some specs , damn motor is a HUGE! diesel and tires are bigger than yours .


Sell my car & get one of these diesel rigs?

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:39 pm quote
I'm partial to the pink colored PK that's at the museum. Now i kinda want a white seat for my pink PK!
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:23 pm quote
Terry, hereís the 2019 price list...

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:03 pm quote
Actually, the limo (Calessino) has a 200cc 4T, 4 speed engine. The diesel one is on the big Classic versions destined for work. Check also the old Ape TM. They had 220cc 2T or 400cc diesel engines and a carís steering wheel. I got to drive one of those (the 2T version) a few years back and it was a sweet ride...
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:11 pm quote
great trip Brother Z, like ur family fun time pics
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:10 am quote
But if I could have taken home any souvenir...
... despite all the 'brettas and wasps, it would have been this Fiat van: paranormal investigations in Naples. You mean, Ghostbusters?!

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Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:44 am quote
cracking shots - there are some real beauties in here...

i took my PX to france for the last 17 days - no phones, no computers, no kids, just me and missus......

respect!

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Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:29 am quote
sold last year
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Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:37 am quote
great scoots in natural habitat! And the van, I want the van!~
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Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:03 pm quote
SaFiS wrote:
Apes are still in production and the Ape 50 (now Euro 4 compliant) is the most versatile 3 wheeler still being sold across Europe...

http://www.piaggiocommercialvehicles.com/en_EN/models/ape/

And hereís a friendís Ape he converted to a mobile coffee spot for special events, etc...
SaFiS - Thanks for the info. And I love the whole sub-category of coffee shop Apes that I'm seeing here. What goes better with Piaggio wheeled thingies than good coffee, anyway!
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Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:09 pm quote
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cracking shots - there are some real beauties in here...

i took my PX to france for the last 17 days - no phones, no computers, no kids, just me and missus......

respect!
Iggy - Stunning PX! Thanks for the pic. I'll wager that your long scooter holiday in FRance was a completely renewing time.

I'm just beginning to teach my wife to ride a shifty. It was a little scary to watch, but she hung on and did OK on her first driving lesson. I let her try the '74 Lambretta J50 Special on the grass.
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Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:11 pm quote
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great scoots in natural habitat! And the van, I want the van!~
Yes Hibbert, hey you know what? I get it now! It reminds me of the Mystery Machine from Scooby Doo.
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Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:00 pm quote
Rome March 2019

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Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:08 am quote
Thanks Rob. I love it! Hopefully, Rome wasn't so crowded for you in March. It was completely overrun in late June.

Even so, you still can find those peaceful moments:

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Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:58 am quote
Rome in March
Zachyzach "Thanks Rob. I love it! Hopefully, Rome wasn't so crowded for you in March. It was completely overrun in late June."

Yep! Rome is the most "Toured" City in the world. We have found that the end of March works out best for us.. Weather, CROWDS and rates are about at a point where we can handle.

There still crowds around all the major sites and if you can't stand waiting in line don't go to Rome. Buying tickets ahead of time does help a LITTLE but not much.

We loved the city and stayed right downtown in a 5 star hotel (once in a life time). Had plans of going back next year but "life caught up with us" A warning to the younger (travel while you can).

Picture of the Line to buy tickets to stand in line to go in the Coliseum. And yes this was during March and the slow period!!!

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Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:05 am quote
iggydaybreaker wrote:
cracking shots - there are some real beauties in here...

i took my PX to france for the last 17 days - no phones, no computers, no kids, just me and missus......

respect!
Confused with reg number.
Scoot looks like a final run PX125

why did you transfer the plate?
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:19 pm quote
I'll play
You're all in Europe, it's Summer and this is a scoot.

Pic is old on film and was taken for the alley shot wifey says, scoot was in the way.
Green cross is a pharmacy.

Saucey lil Tn'G , Yamaha maybe? 2t hopefully?

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Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:50 pm quote
Terry, both Yamahas. Scooter is a Champ CX and the bike is a Virago (XV), probably 400 or 535 (they were identical) from the looks of the engine (they came with a shaft drive)...
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:12 pm quote
Bingo!
Just won a dollar I bet myself you were gonna answer first & glad I was right on the scoot(so, 2T?), knew that big V twin thumper was an old Virago. My 'middle aged' niece's high school boyfriend Cosmos had one like it.

Thank you! Lemme pop a wheelie for ya!

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weeee doggies!

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Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:11 am quote
In the pub today

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Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:53 am quote
That GS is just fantastic.
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:24 am quote
Yeah BN, but this one is Denfeld Holy Grail!

This makes it special special for me, a self confessed seat man. This old girl knows how to subtly accessorize & so many others don't have a clue.

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Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:36 pm quote
Ah, loving all the photos. Thanks, and keep them coming. Scoots of endless summer!

That GS is stunning indeed. And Voodoo ó Poppa Wheelie ó is that you in the pic? And are you donning a dapper cap?

Hereís an old one from a trip in 1988, passing through Milan, of course in b&w. Nice variety of a P, a GL and Lambretta.

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Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:16 pm quote
Fancy
V oodoo wrote:
Yeah BN, but this one is Denfeld Holy Grail!
This makes it special special for me, a self confessed seat man. This old girl knows how to subtly accessorize & so many others don't have a clue.
Wha? Indian knockoff motorcycle? Royal Denfield?

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Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:31 pm quote
Sorry for the cryptic reply. Some GL150's came w/ a seat made by Denfeld of Germany who made hi end motorcycle upholstery OEM & aftermarket, I think. I believe these GL150's were the ones made in Germany, some I think by Messerschmidt.

'"so many others don't have a clue." = some bikes have ugly seats, IMO, less than optimum. (Must learn to speak plain)

I love the way this particular seat hugs the body, not just plopped on top. Almost like somebody actually made it to fit as well as possible. Here's examples & the bodged stock seat welded into a knockoff I made for my similar VB1

And YES of course zachy, even at my age I gotta pop me a wheelie now & then. Don't you? 'Dapper cap'? you kids & fancy new words! But yes, protection in place via thick soft baseball cap w/ planned camera blur for effect.






My pic was summertime bike, so it's all good!
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:40 am quote
Forgive my bad Royal Denfeld joke.

That is, by far the sexiest of the GS seats. Slightly edging out the snaptastic 160 iterations.
Looks like a stellar project all around.
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:32 am quote
oh... and my only offering for summer scoot stylings is my boring but reliable PX150.

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Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:44 am quote
Nice. I think I prefer a PX or T5. Less pretentious IMO.

What put me off when I chatted to the owner of that GS he had no clue about the bike. Watched him put on a brand new helmet and try and start it up and ride it and it was clear he had no clue what he was doing. Put me off a bit that somehow. He was certainly no Ace Face
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