Am I addicted? New project, but what is it?
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:46 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
I've been where you are and I just found the old thread. Mr Hodge gets things sorted nicely and I believe we are brothers, the serial #'s should tell us who's the older brother. But it's the 'same' bike and welcome to the family, bro!
Thanks man!


Here are the pics

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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:58 pm quote
Well @v oodoo...
V oodoo wrote:
*0180095* + ScooterHelp =
Quote:
You have a 1974 Vespa 150 Sprint Veloce
Thanks, Rob. Looks a lot like a 3 but it's gotta be an 8 and now I know what I have here when I go to get it titled.

Thanks ebeth, but this one was pretty gnarly when I found it and is still far from perfect - more here Vespa Dirt Bike Builds .

2 port - 3 port.... I got it without a motor, built it with a Bajaj 150 motor that I added a 3rd port to. Since then, I did swap that out for the P200 motor w/ repaired rotary pad that I brought back from Greece. The scooter's nearly done now & it loves all that P200 power!
It might also be an 8...
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:05 pm quote
I don't think there are any other holes. So I suppose this form of badges has always been on it?

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Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:43 pm quote
When you get that going good, numbers and holes won't matter! But I know you got to have good paper to stay outa jail, with the true info on numbers & dates all match, so getting it right BEFORE you ride needs to be done right. Ask me how I know. Cop on you riding dirty....clench much? NEVER in US, but common

Reminds me, didn't you snagged a nice P200 motor recently? But then I don't really know if they are 2 port or three, I think mine only has one, & I stay true stock on the ports, so I'm no expert there. Anyway, just was thinking idly about 10" motor & 10" frame w/ unmolested 3 port little motor on the shelf for the next guy to look at.

Any small detail infos on yours you want, I could check on mine except motor. See the build thread linked above to see how she looks inside the frame, including showing inside the tunnel.
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:46 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
When you get that going good, numbers and holes won't matter! But I know you got to have good paper to stay outa jail, with the true info on numbers & dates all match, so getting it right BEFORE you ride needs to be done right. Ask me how I know. Cop on you riding dirty....clench much? NEVER in US, but common

Reminds me, didn't you snagged a nice P200 motor recently? But then I don't really know if they are 2 port or three, I think mine only has one, & I stay true stock on the ports, so I'm no expert there. Anyway, just was thinking idly about 10" motor & 10" frame w/ unmolested 3 port little motor on the shelf for the next guy to look at.

Any small detail infos on yours you want, I could check on mine except motor. See the build thread linked above to see how she looks inside the frame, including showing inside the tunnel.
Yep. The P200 is in my VBB for the moment.
If I get this on the road (and I might have been a littl too enthousiastic when buying it ), it will be with the P200 in it. The motor is geared for 10 inch, so would be perfect...
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:02 pm quote
Don't think they used that style grip in the 60's.

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Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:04 pm quote
Pretty sure it's a 70's bike. Don't think they used that style grip in the 60's.

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Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:59 pm quote
DD_VES wrote:
I don't think there are any other holes. So I suppose this form of badges has always been on it?
Holes?
Have you checked EVERYWHERE?
FatAmy wrote:
Nice Scoot - I would do the V oodoo plate job to the floor and be riding that thing as soon as possible. I see a lot of fun times ahead and there is always time to restore it down the road. Good luck with it.
Amy, I think I love you fat or not! (you are a girl, just voluptuous right?)

You're the first one to get on same page w/ me on this fix for the same reasons. The 16 ga steel is galvanized and three times thicker than the stock floor. These bikes are stiffer and seem more stable at speed than my stock frame bikes. Needs lots of strong fasteners on tight to work right from a structural standpoint and no guarantees it will work for others, but has worked well for me.

no welding, small money, strong floor & fake Vespa if that works for you.
I like that nothing's irreversible, could 'restored' in the future like what you've been planning. Here's my old project thread:
Vespa Dirt Bike Builds






my first one, w/ added strips on edge for extra strength & edge protection
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:47 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Pretty sure it's a 70's bike. Don't think they used that style grip in the 60's.

Thanks man! Another thing that points to 018****!

Think Iím going for that numer.
Means that V oodoo is the older brother
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:36 am quote
Quite alike, no?

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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:56 am quote
Ok..

Today, I tried putting nail polish on it, and then sanding the excess off.. donít tell my wife...
I see 0183*** or 0185***

**remove piccies for privacy**

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Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:40 am quote
3 ports, so Veloce!

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Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:01 am quote
And more news.
motornumber points to Sprint V from '76.

That would mean that the engine number should start with a 02.
So 0285*** or 0283***?

1976 is my birth year

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Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:24 am quote
Well.. The numbers have been sent to Piaggio and appear to be correct. So I should receive a CoC and production year certificate soon.

On the the proper registration
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Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:42 am quote
this is exactly what will happen if u have a vespa project, one is never enough

congratz on the new addition sprint v and good luck on the project

cheer
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:39 am quote
Coc is in the pocket!
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:56 am quote
Started the tear down today..

Question: is it necessary to protect screw holes before sending the frame to the blaster and painter?
Do I need to leave some old screws in it?
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:01 pm quote
They can run a plug in the screw holes, but is is not really necessary. I usually run a tap to clean them up when assembling anyway. And you want media blasting, not sand blasting if possible. Media is not so destructive.
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:35 pm quote
no trapezoid headset? i had sprints in the 90s - maybe a sprint with a rally top?

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Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:11 am quote
iggydaybreaker wrote:
no trapezoid headset? i had sprints in the 90s - maybe a sprint with a rally top?
Euro Sprint Veloces had a round headlight
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05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:33 am quote
My '76 sprint has a round headlight and the same grips as yours, for what it's worth.

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Round headlight

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OG 70's grips

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Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:35 am quote
Oh, hey, I don't think anyone ever answered your original question...
DD_VES wrote:
Am I addicted? New project, but what is it?
Yes. Yes, you are.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:00 am quote
http://www.registrostoricovespa.it/Numerazione%20telai.pdf

Vespa 150 Sprint 1970 VLB1T from 0108326 to 0132259
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:23 am quote
chandlerman wrote:
My '76 sprint has a round headlight and the same grips as yours, for what it's worth.
Yeah, tiny AMERICAN style headlite, Here's exclusive Euro style

Mine's bigger. And still stock, no 'extensions' needed, just well adorned.



Blue is same size as yours.



Very nice lil lite and ENHANCED as well(to be slightly bigger or just to see better ? )

BTW, pick up yer damn tools!
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:55 am quote
... they look like the direction indicators of a Honda CB Four ... those of the version sold in Germany are smaller and you can find them on www.cmsnl.com
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:21 am quote
V oodoo wrote:
Mine's bigger. And still stock, no 'extensions' needed, just well adorned.
Aww...you're gonna' give me a complex!
V oodoo wrote:
Very nice lil lite and ENHANCED as well(to be slightly bigger or just to see better ? )
It's just to see better. We're about to head into the Dark Season, when the only time I see sunlight is if I got out at lunchtime. People should just be happy that I didn't put another light bar on it.
V oodoo wrote:
BTW, pick up yer damn tools!
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Hah! You should have seen it BEFORE I picked a bunch of stuff up on Sunday. It looked like my tool box exploded around it. It also caused me to take about three times as long as it should have to re-assemble the Sprint motor because I kept having to spend several minutes looking for tools.
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Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:01 am quote
Chandlerman, I can only like your postst once per hour, otherwise I wouldíve liked more

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Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:06 am quote
One afternoon of tinkering later...

Floor is defenitely toast....

Itíll be replaced...


Color is chosen as wel: Grigio Polaris!

Engine will probably be the original 3 ports Veloce with a Pinasco 190cc magny Cours and big carb...

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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:06 am quote
I would like to arrive at this result:

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Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:21 am quote
DD_VES wrote:
I would like to arrive at this result:
That'll look AWESOME!

I also like they shine level on that. One thing that's become a giveaway to me of bodges is that they have a certain glossiness to them, like nail polish, that just looks...wrong.

Will you do the body & paint work yourself, or send it out? That's a skill that I'm just getting started with, but expect I'll have a long way to go before I'd ever get results like that.
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Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:05 am quote
chandlerman wrote:
DD_VES wrote:
I would like to arrive at this result:
That'll look AWESOME!

I also like they shine level on that. One thing that's become a giveaway to me of bodges is that they have a certain glossiness to them, like nail polish, that just looks...wrong.

Will you do the body & paint work yourself, or send it out? That's a skill that I'm just getting started with, but expect I'll have a long way to go before I'd ever get results like that.
Iíll send it out..

https://www.facebook.com/La-cave-ŗ-vespa-691734804560713/
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Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:09 am quote
Cleaned the engine today. At my workplace we have industrial grease cut and a high pressure steamer. Said to my wife that I would be back in 1.5 hrs. Took me 4 hrs
Itís not perfect yet, but clean enough to open it.

Before and after:

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Before

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Before

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Before

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After

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After

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After

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After

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Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:16 am quote
Your "before" cleaning looks like one of my "after" pictures.
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Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:20 am quote
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Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:29 am quote
REGISTERED!
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Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:54 am quote
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Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:03 am quote
DD_VES wrote:
REGISTERED!
Now all you need is a running motor and a floorboard and you're good-to-go!
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Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:37 am quote
chandlerman wrote:
DD_VES wrote:
REGISTERED!
Now all you need is a running motor and a floorboard and you're good-to-go!
You make it sound quicker then it will go, but..
Today Iíve scored a nice engine stand.. thatíll help me I think..

Seller also found the engine cowl, so picked it up today!
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Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 am quote
Cowl..

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Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:52 am quote
Started on the engine today.

I have zero experience in doing this, so please feel free to point our errors!


The difficult parts were:
- Splitting the cases - took over an hour...
- Loosen the clutch - had the idea my tool did not go far enough.
- Kickstart shaft was hard to get out - had to use heat


Only broke one part, one of the small screws of the backing plate.

Stuck now, since I need circlip pliers, ordered them.


Lots of rust, but I suppose it'll clean up.

The intake looks ok to me...

pictures!

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start

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piston is DEAD

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Clutch was hard to remove. Basket has a crack in it.

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Woodruf key was not in place. When I turned arond the engine later, it fell on the bench.

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lots of rust...

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lots of rust...

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lots of rust...lots of rust...lots of rust...

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lots of rust...

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lots of rust...

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something hit inside the cases, don't know what

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lots of rust... DEAD

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lots of rust...

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lots of rust...

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this was hard to get out. Turned out to be left hand thread...

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the screw I broke (on top)

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intake looks fairly ok

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