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Molto Verboso
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Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:12 am quote
We know that you don't want to go crazy with horsepower from your 200cc thread, so you'll be very happy with the Magny Cours. Pinasco 177 kits provide a very useful boost in power and in the delivery.
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Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:12 am quote
swa45 wrote:
We know that you don't want to go crazy with horsepower from your 200cc thread, so you'll be very happy with the Magny Cours. Pinasco 177 kits provide a very useful boost in power and in the delivery.
Yes, I think itíll have more then enough power
Itís a 190cc kit, with 60mm crank and the 1.5mm spacer btw
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Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:38 am quote
Yep, same cylinder as the 177 but with the base packer to take up the difference in stroke. A good friend runs one in a 125 t.s. and it's a lovely motor. He uses a PX200 gearbox by the way, with 24/24 carb and SIP XL exhaust.
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Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:07 am quote
swa45 wrote:
Yep, same cylinder as the 177 but with the base packer to take up the difference in stroke. A good friend runs one in a 125 t.s. and it's a lovely motor. He uses a PX200 gearbox by the way, with 24/24 carb and SIP XL exhaust.
Gonna put BGM Faster Flow 24/24 E on it, together with standard Sprint V gearbox, BGM superstrong clutch 23/67 and a BGM Big Box.
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Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:28 pm quote
Any people here who placed BGM engine mounts?
They donít touch in the middle.. is this normal? Is it ok like this?

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Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:34 pm quote
Shouldn't hurt a thing if you can still get between the frame mounts, your motor is going nowhere and if they snug up by themselves that's cool, but if they don't, who cares? my 2Ę
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:32 am quote
None of my BGM meet in the middle - the bonus is you have a lever point should you ever want to remove them.

Whilst they don't meet, they do fit in the frame. Measure your frame gap and see how close that is to the total distance between the ends of the swingarm bushes...
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:48 am quote
DD_VES wrote:
The dismantling of the front end was trickier than I thought it would be.
Spent a lot of thime getting the lower bearing and mudguard off...

I am unable to figure out how to remove the last bolt, the one the suspension pivots on.. It appears to be covered by the outer ring on the hub. An idea someone?
Anyone an idea on this one?
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:47 am quote
refresh
Throw up a fresh pic of the problem area and the hive mind can have a fresh think on this.
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:00 am quote
Think I figured it out. I suppose Iíll need to remove the dustcap and put it back on later...

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:59 am quote
DD_VES wrote:
Think I figured it out. I suppose Iíll need to remove the dustcap and put it back on later...
you are correct, that is the way to do it
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:03 pm quote
Guys (and girls), any tips on jetting?

Pinasco 190cc Magny Cours
BGM PRO Faster Flow SI24/24E carb
BGM PRO Big Box Touring exhaust

Have been reading a lot, but don't seem to be able to get my mind around jetting...


Thanks!
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:51 am quote
Itís gonna be a long winter.. just took my frame to the workshop, will not be getting it back before feb...
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:31 am quote
Will you port the cases (transfer and inlet ports)? If you do, then you will probably be in the 125-132 main jet range with a stock PX200 filter (the new ones have holes pre-drilled). I would guess at 128 but buy the whole range. Otherwise, the BGM carb should be jetted pretty well.
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:05 am quote
swa45 wrote:
Will you port the cases (transfer and inlet ports)? If you do, then you will probably be in the 125-132 main jet range with a stock PX200 filter (the new ones have holes pre-drilled). I would guess at 128 but buy the whole range. Otherwise, the BGM carb should be jetted pretty well.
No, I will not be porting the cases..
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:12 am quote
Case closed!!

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Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:28 pm quote
Looking back at the last page, thatís a ton of port you could be matching, are you sure you want to leave all that on the table??
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:24 pm quote
Without any porting and with a stock or mildly cut crank (even longer stroke), you won't really benefit from the 24/24 carb, so you may not need anything bigger than stock P200, which is 116 or 118. The inlet is very small on those old motors. Maybe start at 120, as you have a BigBox, then see how it feels.
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:26 pm quote
DD_VES wrote:
Or this green!
That green is perfect, Iím looking at a black Px150 that needs some paint. I was thinking this green on the wheel covers and a few other parts so I donít have to try and match colors.
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Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:19 am quote


Soooooo happy!!
Itís loud, but I love the sound!!
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:16 am quote
Few piccies from the end of the build.

Last days, it went fast!

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Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:21 am quote
Looks and sounds great DD
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:53 am quote
well built
Looks like you have the same kind of shoes I do, nice. No laces to catch flaming chunks of metal etc.

Also looks like there's something minor going on in your cylinder. Looks like it could be just debris on the surface, but can you wipe it down and have a look? If it IS possibly casting porosity, you might return the part or at least seal it up. It is VERY minor in any case.

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Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:05 pm quote
Re: well built
V oodoo wrote:
Looks like you have the same kind of shoes I do, nice. No laces to catch flaming chunks of metal etc.

Also looks like there's something minor going on in your cylinder. Looks like it could be just debris on the surface, but can you wipe it down and have a look? If it IS possibly casting porosity, you might return the part or at least seal it up. It is VERY minor in any case.
About the shoes.. They were nice, untill one day I told my wife I needed to quickly have a look at something in the garage...
Another pair of ruined shoes... So they became my garage shoes. Easy to slip in and out..

About the cylinder, that's 2-stroke oil.

This is another pic of the same cylinder without the oil:

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Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:25 am quote
Which seat would you huys put on a Sprint Veloce?
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Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:32 pm quote
This is coming along very nicely.
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:04 am quote
Those really do look a million bucks sexy, but for strictly comfort over style, it's hard to beat an old stock bench in good condition. The older ones w/ long springs along the length, a couple coils in the middle and a good foam pad on top w/ a little duck tail in back and a proper grab strap optional. Like this Super has, I think they look pretty good too and a passenger is easy.



similar aftermarket seat from above w/ distinctive "Coke bottle" shape

For those too lazy to click thru:
Streamline


Ancilloti


gorgeous, but when I hit a big bump I don't want just foam on a platform for over $300.


Streamline also have a Touring model so you can have a passenger and it still has the nice blend in back. More comfy too:
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The Pace Touring seat for the Vespa Largeframe Oldies omits the rear hump and therefore offers ample seating space for two riders. To increase the seating comfort even more, we used a much thicker foam for this model.
I do like this one.
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:09 am quote
I also like the last one..
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:11 am quote
And I also like this one..

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Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:17 am quote
The more I look, the more I like that whole white scooter.

Simple and works so well.

Plus that seat looks a lot more comfy than that flat one from SIP which doesn't cover the hump.
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:22 am quote
DD_VES wrote:
Think I figured it out. I suppose Iíll need to remove the dustcap and put it back on later...
OK.. Took it off, piece of cake. Hope reinstalling it is as easy.
What do you guys do? Just hit the sides with a punch or heat it first? or...?

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Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:01 pm quote
DD_VES wrote:
DD_VES wrote:
Think I figured it out. I suppose Iíll need to remove the dustcap and put it back on later...
OK.. Took it off, piece of cake. Hope reinstalling it is as easy.
What do you guys do? Just hit the sides with a punch or heat it first? or...?
I see you took your front suspension apart, which part did you take off and you're asking about reinstalling?

The needle bearing sets?
I'd use a long bolt w/ nut & washers to draw them in one at a time I think, no heat needed, just clean & lube.
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Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:28 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
DD_VES wrote:
DD_VES wrote:
Think I figured it out. I suppose Iíll need to remove the dustcap and put it back on later...
OK.. Took it off, piece of cake. Hope reinstalling it is as easy.
What do you guys do? Just hit the sides with a punch or heat it first? or...?
I see you took your front suspension apart, which part did you take off and you're asking about reinstalling?

The needle bearing sets?
I'd use a long bolt w/ nut & washers to draw them in one at a time I think, no heat needed, just clean & lube.
I was struggling to take of the hub, since the pivot axle was blocked by the dust cap. The part Iím a little worried about reinstallation is the dust cap ring, since you need to flatten parts off the hub to block the ring (i donít want to use rivets). I was wondering if heating up the aluminum would ease this.
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Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:41 am quote
Seems to work out better then expected

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Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:55 pm quote
DD_VES wrote:
Seems to work out better then expected
Hey DD, could you do me a favor? Could you measure from the center of the shock mounting hole to the bottom of the column?

In the next few weeks I'm going to be taking my Allstate apart and welding on a shock mounting tab.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
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Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:04 am quote
qascooter wrote:
DD_VES wrote:
Seems to work out better then expected
Hey DD, could you do me a favor? Could you measure from the center of the shock mounting hole to the bottom of the column?

In the next few weeks I'm going to be taking my Allstate apart and welding on a shock mounting tab.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
21cm
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Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:34 am quote
DD_VES wrote:
21cm
Thanks man, much appreciated!
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Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:05 am quote
So engine is finished...

And front end as well!

Now waiting for my frame...

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Almost finished engine

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Before

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After

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Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:00 pm quote
Looks great DD what is the Carbone damper? I may need one.
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