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Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:13 am quote
Pay no attention to that chopped liver behind the curtain!

What you need is:

10" hub (duh)
10" brake shoes
"dust cover"

Think that's it! A dust cover looks like this and probably has 5 different names.


Rallys, Sprints etc have this fitted already to the same front hub casting, not sure how the originals were attached but I used 3 pop rivets in true bodge style.
And yes, it can be reversed if you want to go back.

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/dust+cover+suspension+arm_pv090710
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Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:41 am quote
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And yes, it can be reversed if when you want to go back.
Thanks, Ginch. Feel better now.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:41 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
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And yes, it can be reversed if when you want to go back.
Thanks, Ginch. Feel better now.
Ha ha ha!!
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:06 pm quote
Don't I have any say in this?

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Molto Verboso
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:19 pm quote
Two-Tone
I'm diggin the two-tone Voodoo. It's looking good. Heck, just clean up the muck from the underside, slap on that 10" front wheel, and you're stylin! BUT you've gotta ride with that badass camel hair coat - then you'll be stylin.

Of course, not as stylin as a certain ...fashionista... but hey, stylin none-the-less.

Looking good my friend.

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Sweet two-tone!

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:41 pm quote
What is all this fashionable coat business? I got my grubbiest old duds on to do this dirty job! When I first ride it, gonna be when it's just got all back together, not gonna clean up coz I'll probably be right back under it, fixing some old greasy part I overlooked or ignored. It's a damn VESPA, my friend!

My beautiful and costly coat awaits full proper mission completion and a brisk sunny spring day, myself freshly primped and even shaved for full effect and expected handsome stunning photos. There will be pictures of course.

I did straighten the leggy on the right side, was bent back an inch or more & so I clamped the crap out of it and gave a coupla serious tugs. Good enuff for me now, but still gotta pretty up the aluminum trim.

Next up, OFF WITH ITS HEADset! And drop the fork,, pull the mudguard then the motor I suppose and really clean up the frame nice. Then figure out how to go ten inch up front to keep things exciting. One step at a time.

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you can see the kink here right at the end of that thick reinforcing bit on the back side.

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Got a flat piece of steel on the front and a thin block of wood on the back and FOUR clamps to keep it flat as I bend it forward against the Vice grip edge tool holding the inside in place

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came out just fine for me, just gotta fuss with that dinged up trim a little

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another angle, I did all the straightening while those surfaces still had a thick coat of yellow protecting the white

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too late for a decent two tone though, pretty thick on the front but not for long.

Couple hours just lite scraping, brush scrubbing and soaked towel wiping on that white patch.

Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:13 am quote
V oodoo wrote:
... Then figure out how to go ten inch up front to keep things exciting...
The figuring is already done... you're at the doing stage now!

http://modernvespa.com/forum/post2365134#2365134
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:30 am quote
Wow Ginch, Mr Hard Guy. I ain't as young as you and it takes me a while to even move, but I thought it might be clever to drop the fork as long as I'm gonna ANYWAY, take it all apart and clean it well first, then do a GOOD job and assemble it most carefully, w/ tapped holes and real Vespa like screws, forget your silly non Italian poprivets.

Here's the front suspension, the bearings and axle looks really good, unmolested under a thin layer of dirt and light rust. Front shock looks new. I have the conversion pieces and will make CERTAIN it can go back with now 8" parts kept on the shelf. The front brake cable adjuster was busted, but enough still stuck out to grab and turn out. Win!

The frame is nearly done, those smudgey spots clean up pretty good w/ clean acetone. Still got yellow headset, mudguard and cowls if I do decide to go two tone.
Molto Verboso
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:35 am quote
I like the 10" rims and tyres on my Super. I'm not so keen on how the front compliments the Super mudguard/fender, but in the spirit of being able to easily change it back to factory in the future, I decided not to go with a Sprint or Rally mudguard. To me it's still a Super, and changing it back is dead easy.

I didn't need to fix the dust shield on mine. It was such a good, solid fit onto the backplate that rivets were not required.

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Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:07 pm quote
swa45 wrote:
I like the 10" rims and tyres on my Super. I'm not so keen on how the front compliments the Super mudguard/fender, but in the spirit of being able to easily change it back to factory in the future, I decided not to go with a Sprint or Rally mudguard. To me it's still a Super, and changing it back is dead easy.

I didn't need to fix the dust shield on mine. It was such a good, solid fit onto the backplate that rivets were not required.
Good looking scoot SWA, what motor is in that?
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:59 pm quote
Yeah, that is a nice bike...

But I do the best I can w/ what I got paintwise and this ain't bad, and getting better.

First off. The motor and fork have been extracted and the bare frame flipped over to get at the innards. I found the floor better than expected and same for the mudguard.

Next up will be final unpainting on that last square foot, then wash & final cleanup with Ospho after, clearcoat on the floor bottom, and gloss white in the motor hole, orbital cut & polish on the rest and find a little decent matching touch up white to use as sparingly as I can.

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Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:00 pm quote
One or two minutes later.



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Gotta get that last patch!

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Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:06 pm quote
Hey V oodoo. Looking rather messy over there. A lot of greasy goo and a big pile of hefty man tools being utilized. Things I know nothing about.

I am, however, an expert on old Eeyore. Such a gloomy doomy ratty tatty old thing. But, also a most loyal friend to old Pooh Bear.

Perhaps a prediction for.....??? Name, please? Cause I think ‘Sunny’ flew the coup.

Keep up the good work. Looking very....how should I say? Hard-boiled?
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:37 pm quote
You are going to have the forearms of Popeye by the time your complete with this one.
Enjoying the procession pics - and your ever creative bike and engine stands.
Maybe this thing needs an electric engine...
Just saying.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:24 pm quote
cat fight!
nomadinsiam wrote:
V oodoo wrote:
...going on next and dumping that damn cat in the trash!
Now you're talking! I hate cats and always will. They are nothing more than witches in small animal bodies. I will be glad to engage in any debate with a cat lover on why they should never be pets. 🥊 Sorry to stray off topic; just say'in.
Oh man, careful there bub. I only got one nerve left and you're kinda steppin' on it. Not on purpose I'm sure. This lil witchy cat girl used to follow me around helping while fixing my scoots and is even in a few pics posted here over nine years. She will haunt you if you don't play nice!

But bring your fool's debate

and suffer your damned fate.

She will get you, too. BOO!

May a foul dog give you fleas!!!

(I love dogs AND cats!)


Yup Ms K, I think "Hardboiled" could work, this poor little thing has been hearing a lot of rather creative Greek curse words lately and hasn't even flinched a bit. Good lil Scoot!
BTW, the Super badge in your avatar reminds me of another reason I'm loving this old scoot - the excellent black chrome script badges front and rear.
Are these unique to old Supers, anybody?


Now back downstairs for an hour to attack that grimy motor compartment . Just not gonna be same kinda fun as uncovering this hardboiled original tough as nails lovely Piaggio white though.

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cat: compact, takes up less space than a dog

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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:34 pm quote
I'm looking forward to seeing the final product!
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:42 pm quote
He gots the Preciousss!!!!!

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Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:01 am quote
Thanks, Ginch, you are forgiven for being less than understanding. You remind me to thank GeekLion Jesse for my end of our obviously one sided swap. I get a golden dust ring and platinum hub along with a lower link, axle, spring, shock and all the fixings and he gets a handful of beat up smallie parts. I think this is gonna be cake. I might even like tens

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I left the shift box still all hooked up and out of the way,
goes back on & works again w/ no adjusting.

Molto Verboso
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:09 am quote
Ginch wrote:
Good looking scoot SWA, what motor is in that?
Cheers ginch. Currently the factory VBC1M motor with longstroke and BGM kit. I wanted to put my MHR221 in there, but didn't fancy doing the front end mods (forks + disc).

I love the simplicity of a Super and I am a real fan of the 70s generation of Vespa, after they started to get a little squared off at the back.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:13 am quote
I'm understanding!! I'm just jealous you can find, buy/get, build, register, ride, sell/swap a scooter in the time it takes me to decide what tail light would really look best (and then decide against changing it at all)!

Btw, the underside of that floor looks amazing. You have a nice system going there.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:52 am quote
I find it amazing you can remove a layer of paint and reveal a beautiful layer underneath which doesn't get destroyed by the same chemicals that took the top layer off!

That scoot looks great. And I am jealous at the red one behind it!
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:31 am quote
Ginch wrote:
I'm understanding!! I'm just jealous you can find, buy/get, build, register, ride, sell/swap a scooter in the time it takes me to decide what tail light would really look best (and then decide against changing it at all!
What he said
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:41 am quote
Kimono32 wrote:
Hey V oodoo. Looking rather messy over there. A lot of greasy goo and a big pile of hefty man tools being utilized. Things I know nothing about.

I am, however, an expert on old Eeyore. Such a gloomy doomy ratty tatty old thing. But, also a most loyal friend to old Pooh Bear.

Perhaps a prediction for.....??? Name, please? Cause I think ‘Sunny’ flew the coup.

Keep up the good work. Looking very....how should I say? Hard-boiled?
ha ha ha most excellent!

Looking good V oodoo gosh you do not waste time.
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:42 am quote
V oodoo wrote:
Thanks, Ginch, you are forgiven for being less than understanding. You remind me to thank GeekLion Jesse for my end of our obviously one sided swap. I get a golden dust ring and platinum hub along with a lower link, axle, spring, shock and all the fixings and he gets a handful of beat up smallie parts. I think this is gonna be cake. I might even like tens
You're welcome T! I'm glad to see you putting that Golden ring and the trade box to good to use. I think you got a pretty good deal, as did I. Just keep this in mind when you find a set of 4x gears & associated bits I can use for the Sporty gear stack swap from 3sp to 4sp

Looking Good T. Scrambled Super? Super Scrambled?
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:07 am quote
Thank you for the pics. You are doing a fantastic job. No yoke....
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:59 pm quote
charlieman22 wrote:
You are going to have the forearms of Popeye by the time your complete with this one.
Enjoying the procession pics - and your ever creative bike and engine stands.
Maybe this thing needs an electric engine...
Just saying.
And the back of an old man... oh wait

But you encouraged me w/ your nice words for my various stands, so I whipped up v 2.0 and I thank you for the inspiration. I love this simple rig that I can just carry around a plop down where I like, w/ the strap cinched up tight to keep it like one single piece. The 'deck' is screwed to the beat up stool w/ 4 screws in the corners, that' it!

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easy to walk around, a place to put your stuff

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strap hooks in the engine mount holes works perfect

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more room to get inside the leggy and now it drains on the basement floor
instead of pooling on the scooter floor flipped the other way, softening the OG paint

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If you make one, just get the the seat mount tip a little past stool center for good balance,
but it's all adjustable before you cinch it up

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Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:55 pm quote
Nice work Voodoo, can’t wait to see the finished product!
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:14 pm quote
Dirty work
The motor cavity was a crusty mess but dry cleaning first then gasoline then carb cleaner got it ready for a nice bath with Ospho. Etching primer, a little sanding and reprime, then gloss white and it should be easier to keep clean.

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dry cleaning w/ scrapers & big wire brush

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autotilt action to dump the dirt

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back inside and more wire brush time

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add gasoline

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and scrub well

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Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm quote
It's our one month anniversary, Salud! And nearly done with the hard stuff and nearly time to paint in here, gonna be our time for the fun stuff soon!

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Time to drench with good old Ospho

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get it everywhere, let it soak in

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half hour later, flip it again, drain out excess Ospho easy

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next, clean up this mess

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and lose this thin black spray like we did with the yellow

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Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:56 am quote
V oodoo

Great progress. I will steal your workbench idea when I start on Alice in the spring.
Keep up the outstanding work. You are an inspiration.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:01 am quote
Voodoo you are doing a great justice to the old scoot, loving all the play by play pictures. I'm no expert or even a novice for that matter , but it certainly looks likes its in great shape. Keep up the hard work and the photos.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:55 pm quote
Pictures you want, pictures I got. Now we clean up the Ospho, get a good coat of primer on there to dry overnite, then steel wool the primer today so it will give a nice finish with the gloss white final finish. So far, so good and the white is drying now. Next up is clean the motor up and finish the fork including a little paint, then probably the damn mudguard so I can assemble and ride.
The damn yellow cowls just gonna have to wait until I have a little more time.

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shooting on primer, I just use some old rags to mask, simple

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It dries like matte and I use fine steel wool to get it shiny

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burnished primer and ready for white after I blow it out

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ta da!
and no runs so far

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Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:08 pm quote
more

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I laid it down like this again for the final deepest part so I could get a good angle w/ the spray can

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It looks good so far, knock on wood

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gotta straighten out the sheetmetal a little on left side edge and at the back

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now after careful steel wool work, it looks like 023087, not 023037
so maybe ultra rare, sSuper valuable 1969, one of ONLY 69 produced?
That's what I now choose to believe!

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and we still have a small problem over here

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Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:09 pm quote
What kind of paint are you using?
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:20 pm quote
I used Rustoleum this time, their self etching primer I like coz it sands nice and crisp when dry and burnishes to a nice shine if you want. The high performance gloss white enamel has been my choice for engine & mudguard cavities for easy cleaning and good vision when fixing crap.

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Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:58 pm quote
That underside is gonna look brand spanking new! Clean enough to eat an egg off of.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:03 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
final cleanup with Ospho after, clearcoat on the floor bottom, and gloss white in the motor hole, orbital cut & polish on the rest and find a little decent matching touch up white to use as sparingly as I can.
When you apply ospho did it leave a whitish film over parts of the metal/paint? If so, did you just hit it with 0000 steel wool to remove before painting, or deal with it another way?

When I coated my p200 frame with ospho, ive got some white film areas from the ospho over my paint and metal.. probably where it was applied too heavily. Haven't had time to deal with that frame further yet, but have been wondering best way to deal with it prior to clear coat as I don't want it to keep that whitish film look once clear coated.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:26 pm quote
1) I finally decided NOT to repaint the bottom of the floor. 95% of the paint is still there, I couldn't find paint as good, I Ospho'd it good, I will clear coat it. Then a coat of Boeing BoeSHIELD T-9 which dries to a thin waxy film and it's on the bottom so few will see it and those that do will know there are no hidden surprises. Plus I'm lazy so, won't LOOK clean enuff to eat offa, but will be.
After all, it is now pretty well proven hardboiled!

2) Yeah, dreaded Ospho scum®, I just steel wooled it good and blew out the dust.

PS info on BoeSHIELD: https://boeshield.com/
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:41 pm quote
Evaporust VS Ospho
Ever try Evaporust on painted surfaces? I've read it can work well on both painted and raw surfaces, but have no experience.
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:57 am quote
If you are getting white spots after Ospho, it is probably something other than steel that it is reacting to, ie..aluminum, lead, etc....
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