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MP3 400 "Merlin"
Joined: 01 Jul 2012
Posts: 858
Location: Northwest Ohio
Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:32 pm quote
roadster wrote:
possibly a knock from a fall
Erm...might have happened once or twice...
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2019 MP3 hpe 500 sport Advanced " Missy "
Joined: 21 Dec 2018
Posts: 249
Location: West Germany
Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:45 pm quote
jerryd wrote:
that makes it even worse for you.
Actually, you give us the Impression that you always want to be right
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2010 gts 300 super. 09 MP3 500 lite
Joined: 02 Apr 2013
Posts: 441
Location: tampa
Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:51 pm quote
only when I am right. its rotten advice to say welding this header is a good idea.
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2019 MP3 hpe 500 sport Advanced " Missy "
Joined: 21 Dec 2018
Posts: 249
Location: West Germany
Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:33 pm quote
jerryd wrote:
only when I am right. its rotten advice to say welding this header is a good idea.
Yeah, but you and others who will remain nameless at this point in time take everything too seriously and you take it as a personal affront when somebody has a different oppinion than your own. I know my abilities and I can tell you without a doubt that I am no Mr. Know-it-all. I never went to College, I never studied Metalergie like Madison or am no Rocket Sientist like jimc, but I can at least say that I have been a learned Mechanic and Welder for 35 years now. You and a few others who will remain nameless at this time need to chill. Keep giving advice though. It does help those who really need it and they and I myself do apprieciate it emmensly. You guys do have pretty good ideas. You just should try to bring it across better with a little Deplomacy. I don't mean just you, but also the other nameless few. I hope I didn't step on anybodies toes writing this, but this perticular discussion seems to be getting out of Hand.
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2009 MP3 400
Joined: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 77
Location: Sayre, PA
Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:20 am quote
If you search YouTube for "micbergsma mp3" he has several take apart videos that might be helpful.
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2016 MP3/500 Sport ABS, 2009 MP3/250, 2012 GTS Super 300ie
Joined: 08 Jul 2011
Posts: 4227
Location: Marietta, GA
Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:50 am quote
roadster wrote:
pmatulew wrote:
OAD: I'd like to see it done without removing everything. I'll bring the popcorn. Heck I'll bring the beer!

I considered the possibility of jacking the motor up and down. Not sure how much it would help or how much travel is available as the pipe still has to pass through the lower bracket.
I've done it at least four times to fit and then remove an aftermarket full system on the MP3 400. The right hand nut/stud is unscrewed from beneath and the left hand one via the spark plug access cover. A wide selection of tools is needed as well as plenty of patience because sometimes you can only find room to turn the nut by one or two flats at a time. The biggest time saver was a ratchet ring spanner which only worked after I had cut about 1 inch from the handle so that I could get it in on the spark plug side with room to turn it.
Yes !
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
Joined: 11 Oct 2009
Posts: 4052
Location: Netherlands Olst
Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:55 am quote
what a BS about not welding used RVS done it many times no problems
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Piaggio MP3 500
Joined: 21 Nov 2017
Posts: 211
Location: Austin, TX
Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:38 am quote
Yeah, welding vs new/used is a value proposition rather than a question of whether it possible. A new header is around $100 and taking the pipe to a welder, getting it welded by a professional at exactly the correct angle with a weld that will hold up is going to be about $100 too. Unless you have a TIG welder in your garage, which most of us don't. For something like this, I'd just buy a new one.
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
Joined: 11 Oct 2009
Posts: 4052
Location: Netherlands Olst
Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:19 am quote
Welding should be more then 30 bucks thats what i ask for customers
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Piaggio MP3 500
Joined: 21 Nov 2017
Posts: 211
Location: Austin, TX
Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:55 am quote
Agree to disagree. Getting a welder to do a careful job of fixturing, stoppering and flooding the tube with argon, then TIG welding with skill the correct stainless steel -not all shops have all types of stainless steel filler rod- will cost a minimum of $100. It's about an hour job with setup and $100/hr is the going rate for immigrant landscapers around here, let alone skilled craftsmen.
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