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Molto Verboso
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:04 pm quote
Vpfalcon wrote:
The scooter body is back from the stripper, looks like it needs more body work than I thought, but all in all not bad! I'm hoping to spray a rust inhibitor into the tunnel before I take the scooter to a body shop for body work and paint.
I also split the engine cases and they look fine, (that took a while) the piston and cylinder look good too, it's a 74 Veloce 150 motor. I plan to rebuild the clutch and Cush drive, clean up the cylinder, put on new rings, also seals and bearings.
I cleaned up the floor rails and look okay too.
Time to order parts
Looks like the body needs a bit more body work , dings.
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:30 pm quote


The legshield needs to be bent forward on the left side too. A few clues on doing that here: http://modernvespa.com/forum/post2365545#2365545
Vpfalcon wrote:
Ordered parts today.
And what was the damage if that's not being too $noopy? Well under half a grand I am hoping.....
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Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:57 am quote
I know that this scooter when itís finished will not be worth what I have spent to fix it.
With that out of the way, the parts I ordered were over a thousand U.S. dollars.
2 repop cowls and one new mudguard. Tubeless rims and tires, bearings, Cush rebuild kit, an engine stand, and a bunch of other parts, it adds up quick.
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Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:11 am quote
Aha, makes sense then. I was thinking just the motor and hard to know any good number to expect when you get everything done but I like PRICELESS.
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Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:10 am quote
Vpfalcon wrote:
I know that this scooter when itís finished will not be worth what I have spent to fix it.
With that out of the way, the parts I ordered were over a thousand U.S. dollars.
2 repop cowls and one new mudguard. Tubeless rims and tires, bearings, Cush rebuild kit, an engine stand, and a bunch of other parts, it adds up quick.
I've noticed that it is roughly similar cost to fully restore a P, Sprint, or Super as it is to restore a Rally, GL, or maybe a GS if rare parts are not needed. Of course the latter scooters have more value but that can be less important if enjoying what you're doing.
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Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:57 am quote
V oodoo wrote:
Aha, makes sense then. I was thinking just the motor and hard to know any good number to expect when you get everything done but I like PRICELESS.
I have a list of parts I ordered for my Sprint V engine rebuild: 2K$...
But.. In my case, speed is expensive...
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Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:52 am quote
U guys lucky

I in a brick of giving up on finishing the sprint veloce myself.. End of year so end of budget, still keep saying to myself i can do this gotta keep smile and cheer

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Molto Verboso
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Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:52 pm quote
koenig blues wrote:
U guys lucky

I in a brick of giving up on finishing the sprint veloce myself.. End of year so end of budget, still keep saying to myself i can do this gotta keep smile and cheer
That looks like a nice project bike, I would really like to see how you do the body.
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Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:25 pm quote
I may will post it again, maybe next year as it need a new floorboard and some mayor stuff although its similar with how i build my 1974 sprint v back in 2012, until then have a nice holiday and cheer
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Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:15 am quote
koenig blues wrote:
I may will post it again, maybe next year as it need a new floorboard and some mayor stuff although its similar with how i build my 1974 sprint v back in 2012, until then have a nice holiday and cheer
Thankyou Ebeth, you and your's have a nice safe holiday as well.
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Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:31 pm quote
rowdyc wrote:
4AD wrote:
Looks like at some point (the hole next to the choke) a px-engine with autolube had been added.

http://www.vespalabs.org/wiki/vespa-101/engine/autolube
Nope that is stock motor. US largeframe vespas came with autolube as standard equipment since the early seventies. It was an upgrade for other countries.
Exactly. I have this scooterís twin. Mine also has the autolube feature. Mineís also originally silver and now flakey white. I have not touched it yet, but plan to see whatís hiding under the white. The area behind the engine is very nice, glossy original silver, so who knows? For me, mineís a keeper.
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Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:11 pm quote
Parts came today, (almost like a Christmas present). Iím hoping I can sneak out of the house and power wash the cases on Christmas Day. Itís supposed to be in the 50s here in Chicago.

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Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:15 pm quote
Vpfalcon wrote:
Parts came today, (almost like a Christmas present). Iím hoping I can sneak out of the house and power wash the cases on Christmas Day. Itís supposed to be in the 50s here in Chicago.
50ís and windy
Iím kinda hoping to sneak out during the festive season as well, when they ask whereíd you go, ahh just had to go get my readers
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Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:24 pm quote
Maybe if I get up early nobody will notice.
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Wed Dec 25, 2019 6:32 pm quote
Power wash cases
Got outside today to power wash the case halves. I think they came out pretty good.
I checked out the cylinder and it looks okay too.

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Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:11 am quote
Cleaning up the brake drums
I spent about 6 hours cleaning and removing paint from these front and rear drums. I used engine degreaser, and brake parts cleaner, and wire brushes on a drill. I almost ordered new drums but I think these came out okay.
Iím going to rattle can paint them silver. Any suggestions on what kind paint to use?

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Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:43 am quote
I like to sand blast the hub because I like the texture it gives the aluminum them paint to your color preference.
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:44 am quote
Lots of different "silvers" in rattlecans. I use silver on my refurbished wheels and the one I like best is Duplicolor "cast aluminum" which is not so shiny.

I also like the Rustoleum "nickel" which is a little darker. I haven't used these yet, but I like this type of spray can which I have used.

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Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:43 pm quote
I used wheel silver on my fork. One thing I'll mention - make sure to shake the living daylights out of it. I had a can do something weird and spat out a lot more clear stuff than silver on part of the fork - made the finish in that area wrinkle up. Fortunately not a visible part of the fork so I left it rather than re-strip.

Also - all the wheel silvers that I could find are enamel, and as such not particularly durable. Probably the thing to be careful of is chemicals - petrol and brake fluid. But totally easy to get a nice look.

What about just polishing them? Surely they'd look awesome media blasted (matt look). Potentially clear coat after that.

Although clear on bare is a whole other topic... ask me if you go there, but know that I won't have definitive answers until my bike has been road tested.
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:48 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:

Come to the dark side... join me and keep her bare metal!
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:32 pm quote
I ordered this from Amazon, not sure if I will need a clear coat too.
Also Iím not sure about how to paint the front suspension. Thinking I should do it at the same time.

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Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:45 pm quote
What are you going to do about flash rusting before you get it to the painter? A rag with boiled linseed oil mixed with a lil mineral spirits is a cheap prevention until you're ready for body work and paint.
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:01 pm quote
rowdyc wrote:
What are you going to do about flash rusting before you get it to the painter? A rag with boiled linseed oil mixed with a lil mineral spirits is a cheap prevention until you're ready for body work and paint.
I cleaned the tunnel on the scooter body when I got it back from the dipper/stripper then sprayed some ACF50 in the tunnel, ( I didnít think the paint would get in there). The dude at the body shop wasnít happy that I did that, he said the oil would ruin the paint and the he would have to clean the tunnel before he painted.
The Redi-strip guy said the scooter body was rustproof for 60 days.
Iím hoping the body shop gets the body work done and the paint on by the end of February.
I like the guy at the body shop, he did a great job on my T5 cowls and his prices are reasonable.
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:16 am quote
Iím working on the front end of this old Sprint. Iíd like to replace the axle bearings. I managed to lever the brake shoes off. Plus the shock absorber.
The book says to remove the front brake pivot by drifting it out from the wheel side. So far it hasnít budged, Iím not sure it really needs to come out at all.
There is also a 22mm bolt/cap that I need to remove to get the axle off and I canít turn it. My 22mm socket just spins right off. I ordered a 22mm 6 sided socket from Amazon and that should hold better.

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Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:19 am quote
Thereís a circlip in the brake pivot, you need to remove that first.
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:21 am quote
This blog is gold for the job you are doing:

https://vespresso.nl/albums/rally-front-fork-buildup/

I just finished mine:

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Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:27 am quote
This video from Nils Homan also helped a lot!




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Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:15 am quote
Thatís a great video
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:47 pm quote
DD_VES wrote:
This blog is gold for the job you are doing:

https://vespresso.nl/albums/rally-front-fork-buildup/

I just finished mine:
wow that looks great DD lets hear how it handles. May want same for me.
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:05 pm quote
hibbert wrote:
DD_VES wrote:
This blog is gold for the job you are doing:

https://vespresso.nl/albums/rally-front-fork-buildup/

I just finished mine:
wow that looks great DD lets hear how it handles. May want same for me.
Will not be able to tell before a few months, Iím waiting for my frame..
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:00 am quote
Used these VHT paints on my smallframe. Used on wheels, front suspension centerstand. Holds up well. Clear coat doesnít yellow. Carried by local parts stores.

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Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:26 pm quote
exmayor wrote:
Used these VHT paints on my smallframe. Used on wheels, front suspension centerstand. Holds up well. Clear coat doesnít yellow. Carried by local parts stores.
Heard these are good. Unfortunately couldnít find clear in NZ anywhere.
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Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:22 pm quote
I finally managed to get front fork/axle dismantled on this old sprint. The blog and video from DD_VES really helped. Thank you! Iíll be ordering the bearings this weekend.
Iím not sure if I should install the bearings before I paint.
The spring cleaned up well. The previous owner had painted it but I think Iíll leave it alone. I put a wire wheel on my bench grinder and that really helped with cleaning the parts.
Iíll probably start rebuilding the motor this week. I decided to order a new piston as mine has vertical gouges on it, probably from a previous soft seize.
Itís nice to have something to work on out in the garage in the winter. Even nicer to have heat in there.

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:11 pm quote
If you have the bearings out... you should powder coat! Swing arm too.
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:44 am quote
How did you get the dust cap off? And how do you plan to put it back on?
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:55 am quote
The dust cap just popped off and fell on the floor, I figured it was simply pressed on. How did you install yours?
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:28 am quote
Vpfalcon wrote:
The dust cap just popped off and fell on the floor, I figured it was simply pressed on. How did you install yours?
I had to use a dremel to get mine off.. i heated the new one, the fit is so incredibly tight that it just popped on. I used some glue to be sure around the spots I dremeled first.
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:27 pm quote
New old stock part
I needed a replacement Kickstart quadrant because the one from my sprint motor was ruined. I ordered one from a guy in Israel (on eBay) for $13 bucks and shipping. The part looks right and I love the box!

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Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:21 am quote
Probably the same guy from Israel I got parts from as well. His parts are really nice and very fairly priced with reasonable shipping.
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:01 am quote
Wrong cruciform
I took apart the gear stack on the Sprint this morning: The selector rod and cruciform are different than the P series. I had to heat up the cruciform to get the selector rod out. The cruciform is different from the one I ordered, so Iíll have to order another..
The gears look good, there is .011 space in the stack with the spacer and circlip installed. ( is that within specs?)

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