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Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:00 am quote
Has anyone out there got some long term experience of the SYM brand ?

More especially the HD200.

Thanks.

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:39 am quote
A friend has a SYM HD200 that he's had for years and ridden many miles. He's the type to buy a bargain and keep it running in good condition, i.e. he's a mechanic and knows what he's doing. He spends a lot of time maintaining his numerous scooters, but he wouldn't waste his time on junk. He seems to like his HD200.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:43 am quote
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So he's happy with his scooter of choice ?

If you can get any more info out of him I'd be very interested as to what to look for.

Thank you.

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:46 am quote
Anything specific? I'll ask him about it next time I see him.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:52 am quote
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Sure. I'm especially interested in tyre, belt and exhaust longevity.

Cruising speeds and fuel range per tank.

That kind of stuff.

Thank you.

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:07 am quote
An HD-200 won the Scooter Cannonball in 2008 if that tells you anything.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:09 am quote
I had a SYM CityCom 300. Quality wise, it was a great scooter. Support wise, it was a nightmare. Could never get parts for it, and when I did order something it would usually be the wrong part. I understand that this is mainly a United States issue but do look into parts support in your country.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:15 am quote
The dealer where I buy the scooters also has the SYM brand and sells many; when I talk to his mechanics they never complain about it, rather they criticize other brands but SYM no, not yet.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:16 am quote
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Oh that's worth knowing about getting stuff for SYM.

In the UK I think that spares aren't a problem but it's worth knowing availability and reliability of parts in the US isn't great.

Cheers.

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:26 am quote
In a nutshell, very good scooter, can you get parts?
It's basically a budget Honda SH 150 with a big bore kit and those little touches the Taiwanese like to add to their scooters.
If you are looking to own and ride one in the US, there are better choices out there. It's a fairly reliable and well built scooter, but OEM parts are very expensive, and often unavailable. So you might wait six months to get any SYM only part (exhaust, for example), and it can be about two or three times what an equivalent part for a Honda would cost. I would compare it to Kymco's quality.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:33 am quote
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Exceptionally helpful there.

The specific reason I asked about the exhaust is that I've seen one crack on that model and the one I'm looking at looks a bit rotten.

Granted it's ten years old but if it goes pop at any point I don't want to be drumming my fingers for half a year waiting for it to arrive.

Thank you.

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:05 am quote
The first scooter I bought about 7 years ago was an HD200. I kept up with all maintenance and it was a very reliable scooter. Sold it to an EX and she rode it for another couple years with no issues and since sold it to her father in law and he still has it to this day.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:08 am quote
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What's it's mileage these days ?

Do you know ?

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:42 am quote
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At the moment I have enough Kymco's but thank you regardless.

Blimey, it is cheap isn't it.

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:02 am quote
I believe Patrick (oopsclunkthud) was the one who owned and rode the HD200 in the Canonball. He definitely knows his scooters (check out his TV175-SS thread in NSM, for example), so if he doesn’t chime in here, consider sending him a PM.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:04 am quote
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Did that. Silence. Hence this thread.

I ran the Cannonball which is why I know about the exhaust.

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:21 am quote
The HD200 was the best scoot I ever owned, though the stock Duros were hard as rocks, so corners were sketchy. Once I put City Grips on, it was a dream. I noticed the top speed was down at about 10,000 miles then realized I should replace the belt/rollers. The HD200 has been discontinued, at least import to the US, but it was a popular bike so parts should be available, especially in the EU.

You've owned everything else, why not give it a try?
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:24 am quote
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What was it's cruising speed and top end and tank range ?

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:37 am quote
Re: SYM Question
Bill Dog wrote:
Has anyone out there got some long term experience of the SYM brand ?

More especially the HD200.

Thanks.

Bill x
You going off the AK or is this an addition?

Getting my front forks looked at tomorrow, also hope to make the fuel gauge a bit more optimistic.....
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:05 am quote
Parts
I'm keeping the AK550 at least into next year even with it's slightly pessimistic fuel gauge.

There's an article about a guy who ran the tank to empty to see just how much you have left after the last bar goes which I'll dig out for you.

This is more about a bit of fun.

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:33 pm quote
Re: Ask
Bill Dog wrote:
What's it's mileage these days ?

Do you know ?

Bill x
I haven't talked to her for quite awhile. I know the last time I seen the scooter 3 years ago, it was around the 20k mile mark and he rode it everyday to/from work.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:39 pm quote
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There's an endorsement if ever there was one.

Thank you.

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:42 pm quote
I owned a HD200 for a little over a year and put about 7,000 miles on it. Outstanding bike for the money. Damn near as fast as my GT200. I re-shaped the seat to take the hump out and make it more like a bananna seat. The 16" wheels made for a great ride. They SYM forum has great information for upkeep and ownership. You have to keep an eye on the cooling system. The filler spout on the gas tank is prone to problems. It is a good move to bypass or eliminate the EVAP system. You can buy a decent used one near me for around $800. A lot of bike for the money. I hate the look of them, that's why I moved on. To me it has a kind of confused crotch rocket look to it.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:39 pm quote
Re: Cheers
Bill Dog wrote:
Exceptionally helpful there.

The specific reason I asked about the exhaust is that I've seen one crack on that model and the one I'm looking at looks a bit rotten.

Granted it's ten years old but if it goes pop at any point I don't want to be drumming my fingers for half a year waiting for it to arrive.

Thank you.

Bill x
Go to SYM dealer and order a new exhaust. See what they quote for delivery.

Arrow has aftermarket for about 200 Euro's and there must be an Arrow dealer in UK.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:03 pm quote
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It won't be purchased or used in the UK.

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:24 pm quote
You Are On Your Own Then
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:37 pm quote
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Not really. I know people in the country I'm buying in.

I'm just trying to suss out if this is the kind of scooter that I want to use for an event that won't be in my own country so rather than buy blind I'm asking the right questions.

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Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:47 pm quote
Bill, I've serviced several SYM's here in the UK mostly the bigger 400/600 bikes, but smaller 125's too. No issues getting ordinary service parts. Everything cheap and available. Bikes are made very well, good build quality. Never had to order anything big for any of them though other than belts and rollers. Got those things next day delivery. Everything cheaper than Honda by a long way.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:42 am quote
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See above. Not buying or riding it in the UK.

Parts availability if they failed in the rest of the world are more of a concern.

Grateful for the details regardless but I think that Sc00ter nailed it for me.

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Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:23 am quote
I think there was a better-looking Peugeot based on the HD200.

Never forget the additional kill switch under the seat. I remember one afternoon in Carcaçonne a long way from our hotel in Spain, when not even Jim could get the scooter started.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:09 am quote
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I never thought of Peugeot of ever being better looking but that point is noted.

I agree the HD200 just like the SH125 aren't pretty on any level by from what I've heard they are solid.

Maybe a Hodna would be the more obvious choice.

Thank you all for you helpful comments.

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Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:18 am quote
Several were sold here in Denver before Sym seemed to vanish for a while.

Some ended back at the dealer as people bought other bikes. They are pretty fast, get decent MPG, just not much to look at.

My dealer seemed to have no complaints, but parts can take a bit. Most consumables like belts and such no problem.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:55 am quote
yuppers, i had one of the earlier hd200 and found the fuel mileage to be about 80 mpg if memory serves and i rode it on the freeways at 70 mph and i'm not a featherweight but it would maintain over 60 mph up mountain passes. i rode it 8,000 trouble free miles then sold it and bought kymco 250 grand vista which gained me a little top end but pulled the mountains about the same and was a buttbusterfor longer trips. i can't say about parts and service but know they sell well and are supported in many parts of the world so can't imagine parts to be totally unavailable. in short, a great bike that i would consider having again.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:12 am quote
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And yes. The SYM Fiddle 3 looks just like a GTS rip off before anyone else says anything.

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Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:50 pm quote
SYM and Lance are basically the same company, and I think both are under the same distributor in the USA. Reason why Im pointing this out: My CityCom needed some parts and I was told, by the distributor, to order them thru my local Lance dealer. I got the wrong parts twice, and it was like a month before even the wrong parts arrived! Dealership and the distributor blamed each other for the mix-up, and whats even weirder is a friend has a Lance Cabo 200i and gets parts for it no problem from the same Lance dealer that messed up my orders. To me the distributor only cares about the current Lance brand and has zero interest in supporting the SYM products. Carter Brothers did a good job with SYM, then they had a warehouse fire and they (Carter Bros.) never recovered. Now parts are just crazy hard to get.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:10 pm quote
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SYM and Lance are basically the same company, and I think both are under the same distributor in the USA. Reason why Im pointing this out: My CityCom needed some parts and I was told, by the distributor, to order them thru my local Lance dealer. I got the wrong parts twice, and it was like a month before even the wrong parts arrived! Dealership and the distributor blamed each other for the mix-up, and whats even weirder is a friend has a Lance Cabo 200i and gets parts for it no problem from the same Lance dealer that messed up my orders. To me the distributor only cares about the current Lance brand and has zero interest in supporting the SYM products. Carter Brothers did a good job with SYM, then they had a warehouse fire and they (Carter Bros.) never recovered. Now parts are just crazy hard to get.
I find that hard to believe. Mike Hickman is in this for the long run. Go on their Facebook page and talk to them. I spoke to him through his web site and he called me back in five minutes.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:12 pm quote
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I may need those contacts as there's a chance that I've have found something.

Watch this space.

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Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:00 am quote
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Bill, I've serviced several SYM's here in the UK mostly the bigger 400/600 bikes, but smaller 125's too. No issues getting ordinary service parts. Everything cheap and available. Bikes are made very well, good build quality. Never had to order anything big for any of them though other than belts and rollers. Got those things next day delivery. Everything cheaper than Honda by a long way.
What part of the rest of the world Bill? I've been most places and worked on bikes all over Europe.
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:46 am quote
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Lets see of the deal goes through and then I'll fess up as to what I'm trying to put together.

Thank you for your interest though.

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