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Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:03 pm quote
Hi all -

I'm new to the forum and am looking to purchase my first scooter soon. I am taking the MSF class this week and last week visited my local Vespa dealership. I was a bit surprised that the sales person really wanted to steer me towards buying a 50 and not the 150 I was looking at. The sales person asked me what type of riding I would be doing - mostly city and told me several times that she thought the 150 would be too much and that the 50 would be what I should get. Her two points against a 150 where price (which isn't really my top consideration) and too much power. She also mentioned that she commutes through city traffic on her 50 and is the same size as I am and does just fine. All my scooter friends suggest the 150 for the power I'll need on occasion to get out of tight spots.

Any other things I need to consider? I realize the 50 vs. 150 conversation is a very popular discussion, just not sure why the sales person kept pushing the 50 on me.....??

Thank you!
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:12 pm quote
Welcome to the forum! Go for the 150, much more versatile than the 50.

Maybe the dealer needs to move some slow moving 50cc inventory...

Bill
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:17 pm quote
I have a 150 and would never consider a 50. The 150 will do 60-65 MPH (indicated) and is about perfect for city riding. I think your salesman has some 50cc scooters he's having trouble moving.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:18 pm quote
Hi Bill - I thought of that but they had a pretty even inventory of 50/150s and 2018s and 2019s. But, yeah, there could be a special sales incentive bonus for the sales people to move the 50s.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:22 pm quote
Definitely a 150. Too much power is a phrase Iíd never use to describe my 150. Itís perfect for city riding.

Dave
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:44 pm quote
The one reason I might buy a 50cc is that some cities and college campuses allow parking privileges for "mopeds" or "motorized bicycles" if a scooter can be licensed as such. That could be a big plus if I were commuting. Otherwise -- too slow to be useful.

Have you shopped at other dealers and looked at other makes of scooters?
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:37 pm quote
I would only buy a 150 if Vespa stopped making the 300 !
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:03 pm quote
Cosmos wrote:
Welcome to the forum! Go for the 150, much more versatile than the 50.

Maybe the dealer needs to move some slow moving 50cc inventory...

Bill
^^^^^^This. You would be wishing you bought the 150 within 3 months.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:30 pm quote
There's adequate, and there's what you can really appreciate. If you're staying on 25 mph streets, the 50 might well do you, though as stated, getting out of the way quickly is going to be so much easier on a 150. For roads where the speeds are 40 or so (regardless of posted limits), the 150 is your choice.

If money was going to get you a 50 or nothing, do it, otherwise the 150, hands down.

If you're like many of us, you may start out with rather modest riding ambitions, and in a year you're dreaming about some epic ride somewhere....
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:09 pm quote
Re: Hello! I'm New! :)
PKinDC wrote:
Hi all -

I'm new to the forum and am looking to purchase my first scooter soon. I am taking the MSF class this week and last week visited my local Vespa dealership. I was a bit surprised that the sales person really wanted to steer me towards buying a 50 and not the 150 I was looking at. The sales person asked me what type of riding I would be doing - mostly city and told me several times that she thought the 150 would be too much and that the 50 would be what I should get. Her two points against a 150 where price (which isn't really my top consideration) and too much power. She also mentioned that she commutes through city traffic on her 50 and is the same size as I am and does just fine. All my scooter friends suggest the 150 for the power I'll need on occasion to get out of tight spots.

Any other things I need to consider? I realize the 50 vs. 150 conversation is a very popular discussion, just not sure why the sales person kept pushing the 50 on me.....??

Thank you!
I used to live in Arlington, and had a 50 cc then. If youíre going up any hills, (Columbia Heights, National Cathedral Heights), that steep hill (Wilson and Clarendon blvds in Arlington), anything NOT purely flat city streets, you do NOT want the 50. Get the 150. Youíll zip along just fine and be able to maintain speed (instead of lose it on the 50) and maybe even gain some while youíre at it. Your scooter friendís instincts are spot on; get the one with the ability to zip you out if you have to make a quick decision and need the speed to back it up.

150, final answer. Enjoy and good luck!
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:15 pm quote
Hi & Welcome,
Go for the 150, you won't be sorry. I had one for several years, loved it so much I finally moved up to a 300.
Kim
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:20 pm quote
Welcome to the forum. As this is your first scooter, do you have a motorcycle endorsement? The 50cc which is really 49cc is does not require an endorsement but 50cc and over does require one in most states. If you haven't taken a motorcycle safety course, I would recommend doing so.

Now that I got that out of the way, IMHO 50cc scooters are for resort areas, gated communities, RV parks and the like. On city streets with traffic that you need to keep up with I do suggest the 150.

Best of luck and do report back,

Rick G
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:16 pm quote
Shalom and welcome from Israel.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:20 pm quote
First off, a warm welcome to you, PK!

Second: I believe there's consensus here: I can't see a good reason for not choosing a 150 over a 50. Far more versatility in the same-size frame, with a small uptick in weight and equivalent drop in fuel economy, but you still get silly-great mileage nonetheless, and an easily-flickable machine in low-speed traffic, but still capable of hanging with the crowd when things speed up. I think it rather bizarre that dealer seemed to be talking you into a 50 over a 150; I agree with others in suspecting they have an inventory "issue" involving too many 50s they need to somehow unload. That's not your problem, of courseÖyou want the bike that best suits your needs and wants, and they should be willing to sell you that bike.

Keep us posted, and don't be afraid to ask questions.
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:56 pm quote
I've owned a few 50cc bikes but in the suburbs of London that is fine as the roads are 20mph or 30mph and you still filter past cars in traffic. I think if you want go on open roads or ones with high limits you need something with more power. As others have mentioned, in some countries a 50cc has special licensing which makes it convenient also.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:17 am quote
Get the 150. As said many times above it's the better engine to have and safer than a 50. If you are anything like others who buy their first bike, you will quickly become addicted to riding your scooter and as a result will want to do longer rides. This means you really benefit from owning a bike that can do those longer trips without a struggle. The 150 will do that offering much more versatility for you.

And a big welcome to the site.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:40 am quote
Welcome, buy the 150 which in case of sale will be easier to place. Remember, the scooter is addictive and you will want more so better to start with more power.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:56 am quote
Welcome from New England, I'm another vote for the 150, good luck.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:32 am quote
Iíll agree with the 150 over the 50 consensus.
I had a 50cc Honda and 37mph was p-u-s-h-i-n-g itís ability. Got a 150 and Iíve been happy with it for the last 11 years.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:38 am quote
150cc all day. I have both a 150 (Liberty) and a 50cc (98 Zuma). The Liberty is my main transportation and does everything I ask with no issues. I have no urge to go on the interstate. Why do I have the Zuma? As a toy for putting around on when Im not going anywhere important. A 150cc scooter will not overwhelm you in power, trust me.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:38 am quote
they want to sell you the 50 first because you'll be back in month or 2 and have to trade it in on the 150.

get the 150 it goes just as slow as a 50 when need to.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:00 am quote
Unless they have a 50 2 stroke or an S50 that's been modded out go for the 150. Washington and its burbs have plenty of long hills that will keep you from staying with traffic. I also have never seen anyone drive the posted limit so those 35mph roads are really 45mph and the 45mph roads are something else. I have several 50cc scoots but they are for around town in a much smaller city that has a 35mph citywide speed limit. My 150's are for the faster roads and longer distance. My housemate rides the S50 and she has no problems anywhere but on the highways.

Everyday on scooter forums you'll see posts of people wanting to make their 50cc scooters a lot faster, some are limited to 50cc's others just listened to the sales person. Scooterwest in San Diego hardly sells or stocks 50's because in California you need a license to ride anything so people go for the 150's.

Let us know what you decide and post any questions you might have about which 150 to get.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:13 am quote
For roads with speed limits 40mph or less, a 50cc would be ok...

if you will never ride with a passenger (small dogs are ok), a 50cc will be ok...

If your commute is less than 10 miles...a 50cc will be ok

a 50cc is lighter and a little easier to maneuver in the city..especially during rush hour

otherwise look at a 150
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:27 am quote
I applaud the salesperson's honesty and belief. Though, I personally feel she's wrong. I am with your friends. While the 50cc is adequate for city commutes. As you grow and gain confidence as I rider, you'll wish you had gotten a 150cc.

If you can, test ride both and trust your gut/butt. Whichever one feels better to you. Do it.

I knew I wanted at least a 150 and at the time when I was in the same circumstances as you, the sales person pushed me onto a 250cc (At the time that was the largest Vespa) instead of the 200cc option. I felt I was control of the 150 and the 250 was controlling me. So I went with the 150.

After a year, I wish I would've tried the 200 and probably would still have that bike if I had tested it or bought it. I LOVED and still wax romantic about the LX 150. It was a GREAT bike for my daily commute (Mainly city street commute btw).
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:06 am quote
Considering that on the chassis of many 50 cc come out scooters with 125/150 engine ...
The 50 is considered the world of access for the age of young drivers, in Italy from 14 years of age upwards but the insurance is very expensive (even 40% more and more than a 150) because the driver is more at risk and if it is in the name of an adult there is a high penalty in the event of an accident if the driver instead is a child under 18 years.
With us now few people buy a 50 ... if they can buy a minicar (from Ä 8000 upwards) or wait for the age for the driving license, both to drive the car and to drive two-wheeled vehicles.
In fact, motorbike and scooter accidents have increased because many do not gain the experience of driving from the smallest age and with small two-wheelers, they immediately buy large and powerful vehicles (there are limitations up to 21 years and for two-wheeled vehicles there are wants a special license).
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:29 am quote
Welcome to the forum
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:00 am quote
Welcome aboard! Glad you joined us. When you do get your scooter be sure to post some pictures. We like pictures.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:06 am quote
Welcome! Looks like many of us say the 150 would be a good choice.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:18 am quote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
The one reason I might buy a 50cc is that some cities and college campuses allow parking privileges for "mopeds" or "motorized bicycles" if a scooter can be licensed as such. That could be a big plus if I were commuting. Otherwise -- too slow to be useful.

Have you shopped at other dealers and looked at other makes of scooters?
I test rode a Buddy...but, my heart has always longed for a Vespa <3
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:21 am quote
fledermaus wrote:
There's adequate, and there's what you can really appreciate. If you're staying on 25 mph streets, the 50 might well do you, though as stated, getting out of the way quickly is going to be so much easier on a 150. For roads where the speeds are 40 or so (regardless of posted limits), the 150 is your choice.

If money was going to get you a 50 or nothing, do it, otherwise the 150, hands down.

If you're like many of us, you may start out with rather modest riding ambitions, and in a year you're dreaming about some epic ride somewhere....
Here in my area the posted speed limit in many places is 35, but rarely do you see drivers going that slow.

Thank you everyone for convincing me to get the 150! Now, to decide what model and color...
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:24 am quote
rickg wrote:
Welcome to the forum. As this is your first scooter, do you have a motorcycle endorsement? The 50cc which is really 49cc is does not require an endorsement but 50cc and over does require one in most states. If you haven't taken a motorcycle safety course, I would recommend doing so.

Now that I got that out of the way, IMHO 50cc scooters are for resort areas, gated communities, RV parks and the like. On city streets with traffic that you need to keep up with I do suggest the 150.

Best of luck and do report back,

Rick G
Hi Rick - I'm taking the MSF course this week and should have an updated license soon. Thank you for the warm welcome and advice!
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:27 am quote
amateriat wrote:
First off, a warm welcome to you, PK!

Second: I believe there's consensus here: I can't see a good reason for not choosing a 150 over a 50. Far more versatility in the same-size frame, with a small uptick in weight and equivalent drop in fuel economy, but you still get silly-great mileage nonetheless, and an easily-flickable machine in low-speed traffic, but still capable of hanging with the crowd when things speed up. I think it rather bizarre that dealer seemed to be talking you into a 50 over a 150; I agree with others in suspecting they have an inventory "issue" involving too many 50s they need to somehow unload. That's not your problem, of courseÖyou want the bike that best suits your needs and wants, and they should be willing to sell you that bike.

Keep us posted, and don't be afraid to ask questions.
Thank you!!! And, I definitely won't be afraid to ask questions....so long as you promise not to get bored of them.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:28 am quote
vespa auntie wrote:
Welcome to the forum
Thank you, Auntie!
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:30 am quote
TroutBum wrote:
Welcome aboard! Glad you joined us. When you do get your scooter be sure to post some pictures. We like pictures.
I will! Now, I have to decide on the following:
- buy now or wait until after Winter
- which 150 model
- color
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:31 am quote
Iím wondering why a GTS isnít in the conversation.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:35 am quote
Sacto Monkeyboy wrote:
I applaud the salesperson's honesty and belief. Though, I personally feel she's wrong. I am with your friends. While the 50cc is adequate for city commutes. As you grow and gain confidence as I rider, you'll wish you had gotten a 150cc.

If you can, test ride both and trust your gut/butt. Whichever one feels better to you. Do it.

I knew I wanted at least a 150 and at the time when I was in the same circumstances as you, the sales person pushed me onto a 250cc (At the time that was the largest Vespa) instead of the 200cc option. I felt I was control of the 150 and the 250 was controlling me. So I went with the 150.

After a year, I wish I would've tried the 200 and probably would still have that bike if I had tested it or bought it. I LOVED and still wax romantic about the LX 150. It was a GREAT bike for my daily commute (Mainly city street commute btw).
That's good insight. And, I totally respect that the sales person wasn't trying to oversell me. She did recommend that I get more comfortable riding and suggested that I rent a Revel scooter (it's the new UBR of scooter transportation) and build up my confidence since I had only ridden one time prior. After I've ridden enough to feel comfortable I'll go back and test ride both the 50/150 and go from there.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:38 am quote
old as dirt wrote:
they want to sell you the 50 first because you'll be back in month or 2 and have to trade it in on the 150.

get the 150 it goes just as slow as a 50 when need to.
Good points!
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:41 am quote
sc00ter wrote:
150cc all day. I have both a 150 (Liberty) and a 50cc (98 Zuma). The Liberty is my main transportation and does everything I ask with no issues. I have no urge to go on the interstate. Why do I have the Zuma? As a toy for putting around on when Im not going anywhere important. A 150cc scooter will not overwhelm you in power, trust me.
Thank you. I have absolutely no interest to ride on an interstate either! I do worry that a 150 will overwhelm me a bit at first until I get used to it. That will require lots and lots of neighborhood practice!
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:43 am quote
Welcome to the best ever forum.

You made the right choice, and if you can afford it, you might even consider the GTS 300. Whatever you buy, the MSF will teach you a lot, but they can't teach you experience. Take it easy the first 5000 miles and then you become an excellent rider.

About getting overwhelmed, just take it easy. It's always impressive to have your first ride, but you'll get used quickly to the power. Just don't get too brave too soon. Take it easy and all will be fine

I which you many fun miles in the Vespa world!
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:55 am quote
rob g wrote:
Iím wondering why a GTS isnít in the conversation.
Rob - tell me more, please. I don't know much, if anything, about the GTS. Still learning.
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