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Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:48 am quote
Hello everybody...
Iíve been a long time lurker on the forum and Iíve always found it to be very helpful so thank you to everybody whoís left their advice on here for me to use....

Unfortunately, my MP3 was stolen in mid August and to cut a long story short, last week I found it half a mile away from where it was thieved on somebodyís garden....(the PCNs they clocked up helped me to establish its whereabouts...)

The bike is currently with a garage who are going to take a look at it (it was taken there by the superb guys at Stolen Motorcycle Recovery London). I needed to get the bike off the road ASAP, for obvious reasons so I was happy for the bike to go to the garage although Iím a little concerned that they might not be able to resolve the issues with the bike as they arenít MP3 specialists...

Now, as far as the damage is concerned, the LHS foot panel has been banged but I can swap that out easily enough myself. Iím pretty confident that it hasnít been on itís side and when I manoeuvred the bike to the road, it handled fine...

However, there are two issues that I am concerned about. First of all, the steering lock has been broken and I am worried about whether or not this might have caused damage to the steering/frame/ignition etc. Can anybody enlighten me about what I might be looking at in terms of consequential issues, things that I should be looking out for etc...?

Secondly and probably most importantly, the bike was hotwired. To make it clear, Iím not asking for any information concerning this process, or reversing it, but some information on whether or not resolving this electrical Ďworkí is possible and if it might be costly etc.
When I spoke with the mechanic, he seemed surprised that the thieves managed to bypass the immobiliser...

What I can tell you is that when I used my key on the bike (in an attempt to start it...), the fuel cap and boot lock worked fine but no power came on. The recovery guys had a quick look at the wiring and managed to get the power on when they Ďfiddledí with the wires that were conveniently popping out from in between the front shield and leg shield but I could not get the bike to crank, never mind start, when holding the rear lever down....

At that point, the gentlemen helping me to recover the bike said that it was best to leave the wiring to an expert in case Ďshortingí occurred and the ECU ended up damaged...

I appreciate that most of this is all hypothetical but I would feel much more confident about adequately dealing with the situation if I had a little bit of knowledge about what to look out for in terms of common issues that might arise from the theft of MP3s, the subsequent repairs of them and the associated costs. Anything would help...

I love the bike (Iíve got a real soft spot for it because Iíve been learning how to maintain/repair on it..) and I am desperate to get it back on the road. As for buying a new one, given the theft epidemic here in London, it seems utterly pointless. If things continue as they are, I will more than likely have to give my Ďproperí bike up too...

Thank you in advance.
Michael
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:19 am quote
I feel for you ,i've never had a bike stolen but i know how i would feel.I thank someone for not living anywhere near London . One thing i suppose you can be thankfull of is you were not attacked like is happening with the delivery lads and lasses.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:31 am quote
As I understand it, the really nasty thieves stay away from the MP3s as theyíre a bit too big for them to go robbing on: they much prefer the two-wheel Piaggio and Vespa 300s.

Also, the demand for the MP3 isnít huge out in Eastern Europe and in the Far East so they donít end up being shipped out too much...

As mine is a few years old and outwardly a bit scruffy, the part strippers shouldnít have too much of an interest in it....

It appears that whoever stole mine was just using it to get about on- the idiot kept my number plate on it and nobody gave the registration to the Police in terms of it being involved in crime. Now, thatís not to say that he wasnít up to no good on it, but as far as the police are concerned it was not involved in any serious crime...
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:44 am quote
Sorry to hear about this! Theft really is a problem over there. Curious, does insurance not cover theft? Here we have to carry full insurance on bikes and I know all 3 of mine have theft insurance. Mind you motorcycle theft is really not a problem here. Over there I imagine theft coverage would cost a fortune especially on a Vespa. I guess any CVT bike is a pretty big target for dicks that want to perform thefts with the vehicle.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:04 am quote
Hi Harbinger.
Yes, the bike was/is insured but I havenít claimed simply because of the problems that that can cause in terms of insuring bikes in the future. I knew that it hadnít fallen off the face of the planet because I was receiving tickets/penalty charges related to it (all in my local area..) so I waited and kept on looking until it eventually turned up. I do have another bike so this allowed me to get about and wait for a while...

When I spoke with the recovery guys, they estimated the repair costs to be about £150-£200 (for the wiring..) which would be less than the excess in any case...

As far as repairing the steering lock is concerned, I donít see that there is much point. I doesnít appear to stop thieves and can cause greater problems once theyíve broken it....
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:51 am quote
The way to deter thieves is to make your bike look as unappealing as possible. I use this Piaggio cable lock. It physically ties the handlebar to the frame.

No thief is going to think about popping a ignition barrel if it takes them more than 90 seconds while creating attention by cutting a hefty cable lock AND then still have to deal with the steering column lock AND then still have to hot wire it to get it running and ride off.

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Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:17 pm quote
Cordless angle grinder the modern alternative to a hammer and getting cheaper to buy and more common to be stolen would make short work of that . A hidden switch might stop it being ridden away but white vans are all over the place so who would take notice of someone putting a bike in one.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:26 pm quote
Theyíve cut through a 16mm disc lock on the front wheel and an 13mm chain tying the back wheel to a post, probably with a battery powered angle grinder. I canít see that device stopping them...

The thieves donít tend to hotwire bikes at the theft location. They usually use another bike to push (image attached) the newly stolen bike to a safer area (usually one of the estates...) and they work on it there...

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Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:39 pm quote
MShields wrote:
Hi Harbinger.
Yes, the bike was/is insured but I havenít claimed simply because of the problems that that can cause in terms of insuring bikes in the future. I knew that it hadnít fallen off the face of the planet because I was receiving tickets/penalty charges related to it (all in my local area..) so I waited and kept on looking until it eventually turned up. I do have another bike so this allowed me to get about and wait for a while...

When I spoke with the recovery guys, they estimated the repair costs to be about £150-£200 (for the wiring..) which would be less than the excess in any case...

As far as repairing the steering lock is concerned, I donít see that there is much point. I doesnít appear to stop thieves and can cause greater problems once theyíve broken it....
Ah OK. Still it is SO shitty that you (we) as a victim get penalized for doing nothing wrong. The insurance industry is one hell of a racket. I did have a claim last year when some guy knocked 4 of us over while we were legally parked. Fortunately here at least it was listed as not my fault and has no affect on my future insurance costs.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:23 pm quote
MShields wrote:
Theyíve cut through a 16mm disc lock on the front wheel and an 13mm chain tying the back wheel to a post, probably with a battery powered angle grinder. I canít see that device stopping them...

The thieves donít tend to hotwire bikes at the theft location. They usually use another bike to push (image attached) the newly stolen bike to a safer area (usually one of the estates...) and they work on it there...
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:37 pm quote
Over here, Harbinger, a theft would be classed as a fault on my part, even though Iíd had the required security (as stated in the policy...) fitted to the bike...

Itís a racket all over the world, definitely...
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:39 pm quote
Glad a live in a low crime area. Asked a deputy if he every responded to a stolen motorcycle in Ashburn and he said no, just petty theft out of cars and garages. Once in a while one will get brave and walk in a house with an open door. But Va having over 600,000 CC Permit holders plug all the non permit holder that own discourages thief's from entering houses.
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:28 pm quote
WEB-Tech wrote:
Glad a live in a low crime area. Asked a deputy if he every responded to a stolen motorcycle in Ashburn and he said no, just petty theft out of cars and garages. Once in a while one will get brave and walk in a house with an open door. But Va having over 600,000 CC Permit holders plug all the non permit holder that own discourages thief's from entering houses.
Bike theft/crime is just totally out of control in London and the Police, as much as the average officer would love to solve every crime, simply donít have the resources to deal with the problem. The whole situation is a total mess....
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:53 am quote
I read your bad news as I was searching for post theft help too... sadly I'm a 300gts owner in London and mine's been stolen 4 times (5 if you include losing a front wheel as well) - and sadly last week it was stolen again.

London is the wild west!

Mine has a tracker, but while it was giving a signal it took the police and tracking company over a week to locate it (I got mixed stories on this, difficulty triangulating but also a lack of police resource to triangulate it before getting called on to something else).

Eventually an officer did persevere (for which I am grateful), and they found it with new plates and some damage.... I got it recovered to a repair shop, however they have found that its had its VIN number changed (apparently the sandpaper was still in the top box and the new plate drill holes still smelled fresh as if it had been done that morning - in preparation for no good I would imagine).

The insurance company has sent out an investigator, but they've warned me that with the VIN change they will probably insist that it's a write off. Does anyone know if this makes sense? It makes me sick, as I know that a several years old Vespa will not get an adequate insurance payout and I'll be out of pocket again.

It might be worth checking the VIN on your bike to check that its not been changed.

Meanwhile, I'm crying inside... it seems that crime does pay and our society is truly sick (at least in London anyway).
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:26 am quote
Macta wrote:
I read your bad news as I was searching for post theft help too... sadly I'm a 300gts owner in London and mine's been stolen 4 times (5 if you include losing a front wheel as well) - and sadly last week it was stolen again.

London is the wild west!

Mine has a tracker, but while it was giving a signal it took the police and tracking company over a week to locate it (I got mixed stories on this, difficulty triangulating but also a lack of police resource to triangulate it before getting called on to something else).

Eventually an officer did persevere (for which I am grateful), and they found it with new plates and some damage.... I got it recovered to a repair shop, however they have found that its had its VIN number changed (apparently the sandpaper was still in the top box and the new plate drill holes still smelled fresh as if it had been done that morning - in preparation for no good I would imagine).

The insurance company has sent out an investigator, but they've warned me that with the VIN change they will probably insist that it's a write off. Does anyone know if this makes sense? It makes me sick, as I know that a several years old Vespa will not get an adequate insurance payout and I'll be out of pocket again.

It might be worth checking the VIN on your bike to check that its not been changed.

Meanwhile, I'm crying inside... it seems that crime does pay and our society is truly sick (at least in London anyway).
The same scoot has been stolen 4 separate times? Have you ever received any insurance money from any of the other times it was stolen? Sadly, with VIN plates being swapped out, you are likely going to get a write off. Hell, I don't think I would want it back knowing it's already been stolen 4 times. Yikes! That is insane! What year is yours? Someone on here actually got well more for his scoot than it was worth, so in the end, you might get lucky with the payout. You don't have to settle for the first number thrown at you. You can request a higher payout.
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:52 pm quote
Maybe the best anti theft protection is a long rusty spike placed underneath the seat when parking it.

Then, if somebody jumps on your rig their first stop will be the hospital emergency room for a tetanus shot and some surgery to some delicate areas.

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Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:53 pm quote
Don't accept the first offer if it's going to be written off ,theres always a bit more to be got of the insurance co and if asked how much you paid for the bike or what you think it is worth be on the top side with your £s. We have had personal experience of this so now know how it works . Also ask to buy the bike back,thats if you want to, you should get it quite cheaply , if the bike is still in your possesion don't let the insurance co/recovery co take it away if your wanting to buy it back. Keep it in your possesion it's a good bargaining point if your wanting to buy it back.
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:53 pm quote
Scarabeo500ie wrote:
The same scoot has been stolen 4 separate times? Have you ever received any insurance money from any of the other times it was stolen? Sadly, with VIN plates being swapped out, you are likely going to get a write off. Hell, I don't think I would want it back knowing it's already been stolen 4 times. Yikes! That is insane! What year is yours? Someone on here actually got well more for his scoot than it was worth, so in the end, you might get lucky with the payout. You don't have to settle for the first number thrown at you. You can request a higher payout.
As my deductible is quite high £400, the first 2 times the bike shop that sold it to me were sympathetic on repairs and both time it was less than the deductible and not worth claiming. The lift into a van caused no damage other than a cracked top-box fixing (repaired, with a metal disk inside) = the stolen wheel, again less than the deductible... its just this last one thatís finally got me down...

My GTS is a 2015 - it was in decent shape, I think I paid £5k with top box and windshield etc. Whatís the betting I get offered 2k if Iím lucky - but we all know even a second hand replacement on eBay will run 3k if your lucky - and who knows its history... I was gutted when my GTV 250 was stolen in 2014 (when we were in hospital awaiting the birth of my daughter... at least the baby was fine).

Still - curious how you can request a higher payout. I recall with the GTV, complaining at the pitiful amount I got, and they came back with a final offer that was £100 more.. (I recall I got about 1k. it makes you sick).

These days, all the security is next to useless - the chains and locks are easily cut with portable angle grinders (and who can carry a chain everywhere anyway - parking is so competitive thereís rarely anywhere to chain to anyway). Even then - they pick them up and put them in vans - even a heavy beast like a GTS.

I truly blame Vespa (and other manufacturers) - I donít understand why once stolen its so easy to reprogram a lock/ecu combo. If tampered with, the bike should shut down and require far more electronic codes to be viably used. Surely in this day and age this can be done?

I think in cities like London, the Vespa dream is over sadly.
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:03 pm quote
3legsofman wrote:
Don't accept the first offer if it's going to be written off ,theres always a bit more to be got of the insurance co and if asked how much you paid for the bike or what you think it is worth be on the top side with your £s. We have had personal experience of this so now know how it works . Also ask to buy the bike back,thats if you want to, you should get it quite cheaply , if the bike is still in your possesion don't let the insurance co/recovery co take it away if your wanting to buy it back. Keep it in your possesion it's a good bargaining point if your wanting to buy it back.
We were told by the insurance assessor that the value was what you could buy a replacement for the same vehical from a trade seller NOT a private one. So a trade sellers price is going to be more. But if you have lots of invoices for work or it had lts of accessories then these should be taken into consideration. Buying back the written off vehical could make you a good few hundred pounds as i found out infact i got just as much for the scrap value as we paid for the write off and had removed £100s worth of spares to use and sell.Assessors are working for the insurance co. or themselfs so the less they pay you the more they have in there pocket . Show them how much the same will cost to replace it's so easy now with the internet. Don't let them kick you in the short and curlies ,play hard.
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:15 pm quote
sbaert wrote:
Maybe the best anti theft protection is a long rusty spike placed underneath the seat when parking it.

Then, if somebody jumps on your rig their first stop will be the hospital emergency room for a tetanus shot and some surgery to some delicate areas.
Wrong way up and not sharp enough Or how about removing the seat .I used to have a kit car with a QD steering wheel it was a bit strange walking about with it though
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:39 pm quote
Commiserations Macta, I hope you manage to get something decent from your insurer but knowing how they work, I donít hold out much hope. I have heard some horror stories about GTS 300 thefts- weíre talking machete and hammer attacks. You are brave to ride one in this city and I am staggered that you actually secured theft insurance for it...

Has your GTS had its immobiliser bypassed at any point? If so, how much was the repair? Also, would you recommend the garage you use in case I need/want a Vespa specialist to sort mine out (if the mechanics who have it now canít do it...). Itís the ECU/immobiliser/ignition issue thatís worrying me the most in terms of damage/repair/costs. Iím sure that any steering lock related issues can be sorted easily enough...

The idiot who stole mine was rolling around London for 10 weeks with the same number plate on it! He did not give a toss about being identified....the VIN number is fully intact, certainly (the Police used it to identify the bike..).

You are lucky that the Police bothered to find yours and my biggest bugbear about Biketrac, Datatool etc trackers is that recovery is predominately reliant on the Police- they will not tell the owner where to retrieve the bike.

My story is truly appalling and if people want to know why bike crime is so bad in London, it encapsulates most of the reasons. The Police do not act...

I found my own bike, using a little bit of savvy about the local area. In the week previous to finding it, I pleaded with the Police to look at CCTV as the bike racked up PCN after PCN: it would be easily traceable and the local council were extremely good in offering to provide the footage to the Police. The Police did not want to know, they would not help me. I even asked them if I could speak with an officer who had an idea about bike crime in the local area so I could go to any Ďhotspotsí that they might identify and have a look for the bike myself. I was told that nobody would do this...

As soon as I found the bike, I called 999 and the police arrived quickly. It was located on somebodyís garden/drive and well covered, but I knew it was my bike by virtue of the high mirrors (Iíd put extenders on it..) and the scratches on the RHS front wheel mudguard.

The Police knocked at the door of the property and an old man answered. They asked him whose bike was on the yard and he said that it was his grandsonís. He even gave the police a name and said that he lived there. The old man shut the door and that was that...the Police asked no more questions of him and didnít even enter the property to look for a suspect.

Now, I made it clear to the Police that I wanted the matter investigated. The officer was a decent sort and understood my anger and frustration at the situation. He told me that I had two options- I could wait for the bike to be recovered by the Police and stored by them so that forensics could take place and I would be liable for the recovery/storage costs, or I could arrange recovery and have forensics carried out elsewhere at an appointed time. I opted for the Police to deal with it and was willing to pay their costs so that the criminal matter could be investigated....

An hour later after the officer had made several phone calls, he told me that no forensics would take place because the bike had not been reported as being involved in a serious crime. I was told that the Police would not do a thing and I would have to remove the bike myself. The officer even appeared a little ashamed about this- it was not his decision- it was what he was being told on the telephone that had to happen. No forensics, no nothing. They wouldnít even take his helmet that was under the seat in order to test that....

The Police then left me at the road outside the property on my own while I waited for the absolutely fantastic recovery guys to attend. I could not get the bike to start and I was on my other one so I was stuck there really...

I have not received any calls or information about the Police knocking at that door again or even attempting to speak with the person who Ďownedí my bike.

Ultimately, you can steal bikes in London and as long as you donít commit crime on them, the Police will leave you alone. The situation is completely ridiculous.

There is no justice, no deterrent, no punishment etc. Itís simply people like you and I that play by the rules and do the right thing that end up paying out again and again...
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:05 pm quote
3legsofman wrote:
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Wrong way up and not sharp enough...
For several good reasons . . . to cause maximum internal damage and make removal as difficult as possible without causing further damage. Bonus benefit, everytime he goes to the toilet until he exits this world he'll be reminded that this is what happens when you try to screw a stranger in the @ss.

Karma is a biatch.

Can you say "Mommy . . . I am bleeding so bad"
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:34 am quote
MShields wrote:
Has your GTS had its immobiliser bypassed at any point? If so, how much was the repair? Also, would you recommend the garage you use in case I need/want a Vespa specialist to sort mine out (if the mechanics who have it now canít do it...). Itís the ECU/immobiliser/ignition issue thatís worrying me the most in terms of damage/repair/costs. Iím sure that any steering lock related issues can be sorted easily enough...
Yes - the ECU was changed and I had to get a new one... I can't recall exactly how much it was to get fixed as that was one of the early thefts - but it was less than £400 as that was my deductible - I recall a few hundred (everything seems to be a few hundred).

For fixing things, i have been pleased with Scooter World in Chiswick, who have been very supportive and always tried to find cost effective solutions. They are very worried about the rampant scooter crime as its not good business for them - they like to sell machines, but mainly its the servicing and happy customers buying extra addons/clothing where they make money...

I'm really not sure what to do going forward now. I've always enjoyed driving a Vespa, but not sure you can in London anymore - this has been building up for a few years now (whether I get something crappier remains to be seen)
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:43 am quote
MShields wrote:
Commiserations Macta, I hope you manage to get something decent from your insurer but knowing how they work, I donít hold out much hope. I have heard some horror stories about GTS 300 thefts- weíre talking machete and hammer attacks. You are brave to ride one in this city and I am staggered that you actually secured theft insurance for it...

Has your GTS had its immobiliser bypassed at any point? If so, how much was the repair? Also, would you recommend the garage you use in case I need/want a Vespa specialist to sort mine out (if the mechanics who have it now canít do it...). Itís the ECU/immobiliser/ignition issue thatís worrying me the most in terms of damage/repair/costs. Iím sure that any steering lock related issues can be sorted easily enough...

The idiot who stole mine was rolling around London for 10 weeks with the same number plate on it! He did not give a toss about being identified....the VIN number is fully intact, certainly (the Police used it to identify the bike..).

You are lucky that the Police bothered to find yours and my biggest bugbear about Biketrac, Datatool etc trackers is that recovery is predominately reliant on the Police- they will not tell the owner where to retrieve the bike.

My story is truly appalling and if people want to know why bike crime is so bad in London, it encapsulates most of the reasons. The Police do not act...

I found my own bike, using a little bit of savvy about the local area. In the week previous to finding it, I pleaded with the Police to look at CCTV as the bike racked up PCN after PCN: it would be easily traceable and the local council were extremely good in offering to provide the footage to the Police. The Police did not want to know, they would not help me. I even asked them if I could speak with an officer who had an idea about bike crime in the local area so I could go to any Ďhotspotsí that they might identify and have a look for the bike myself. I was told that nobody would do this...

As soon as I found the bike, I called 999 and the police arrived quickly. It was located on somebodyís garden/drive and well covered, but I knew it was my bike by virtue of the high mirrors (Iíd put extenders on it..) and the scratches on the RHS front wheel mudguard.

The Police knocked at the door of the property and an old man answered. They asked him whose bike was on the yard and he said that it was his grandsonís. He even gave the police a name and said that he lived there. The old man shut the door and that was that...the Police asked no more questions of him and didnít even enter the property to look for a suspect.

Now, I made it clear to the Police that I wanted the matter investigated. The officer was a decent sort and understood my anger and frustration at the situation. He told me that I had two options- I could wait for the bike to be recovered by the Police and stored by them so that forensics could take place and I would be liable for the recovery/storage costs, or I could arrange recovery and have forensics carried out elsewhere at an appointed time. I opted for the Police to deal with it and was willing to pay their costs so that the criminal matter could be investigated....

An hour later after the officer had made several phone calls, he told me that no forensics would take place because the bike had not been reported as being involved in a serious crime. I was told that the Police would not do a thing and I would have to remove the bike myself. The officer even appeared a little ashamed about this- it was not his decision- it was what he was being told on the telephone that had to happen. No forensics, no nothing. They wouldnít even take his helmet that was under the seat in order to test that....

The Police then left me at the road outside the property on my own while I waited for the absolutely fantastic recovery guys to attend. I could not get the bike to start and I was on my other one so I was stuck there really...

I have not received any calls or information about the Police knocking at that door again or even attempting to speak with the person who Ďownedí my bike.

Ultimately, you can steal bikes in London and as long as you donít commit crime on them, the Police will leave you alone. The situation is completely ridiculous.

There is no justice, no deterrent, no punishment etc. Itís simply people like you and I that play by the rules and do the right thing that end up paying out again and again...
It's a truely shocking story. I think a letter to the top brass at Scotland yard,the mayor of London and Boris although he's not realy a MP now that there's a election on the go.It probably will make bu--er all difference but what more can you do ,the Krays are no longer .
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:58 am quote
One other way to throw off would be thieves is to take the battery with you.

It is not too big nor heavy and is easily removed and reinstalled.

Alternatively, pulling the fuse to the fuel pump or installing a blown fuse in the said fuse holder for the fuel system might also throw them for a loop.

Anything that makes your bike more difficult to steal will thwart the 5 finger discount shoppers and give them incentive to steal someone else's bike.
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:08 am quote
Iíve got a few things planned Sbaert and I might be coming back here for a little help with them...

3legs- what people donít understand is that so much crime in this city is symptomatic: the real cause of it is motorcycle theft. If the powers that be want to get tough on all the crime that is committed on bikes, they need to take the theft of them just as seriously....

Anyway, thereís some good news. After speaking to the garage today, theyíve managed to get the bike started by playing around with the wiring and they are going to solder the wires that have been cut although the mechanic did tell me that the usual procedure is to replace the socket and cables (does anybody know which part this might be.....). Theyíve also cut some heated grip cables too, apparently...

I asked them to solder so I donít have to wait (and get overcharged...) for a part- Iíll get the bike back quicker this way. I figured that I could find a decent used part myself and get it swapped out soon enough if necessary...

Thereís no damage to the frame as far as they can see and Iím terms of the steering lock, Iím not going to replace it- itís a pointless security device and if the bike is stolen again, Iím not risking thieves damaging the frame/steering column/suspension/ignition etc...Iíll just stick another lock on the wheel.

The mechanic seemed more interested in my seat being broken, which isnít a bad sign really....
He also couldnít believe that the thief/thieves had been riding the bike- he was adamant that theyíd been using the plate on another bike. I know this is categorically not the case because the PCNs show my bike in them- there is no question at all of that....

Not counting my chickens just yet but hopefully Iíll come through this farce without too much damage to the bike and my wallet...
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:28 pm quote
Looks like your winning with the bike thankfully. Are there no U locks that are grinder proof even with diamond blades? that you could put through the rear wheel. What about letting both front tyres down and using a portable tyre pump. Ball ache i know but it would hopefully make them think twice.
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:48 am quote
sbaert wrote:
The way to deter thieves is to make your bike look as unappealing as possible. I use this Piaggio cable lock. It physically ties the handlebar to the frame.

No thief is going to think about popping a ignition barrel if it takes them more than 90 seconds while creating attention by cutting a hefty cable lock AND then still have to deal with the steering column lock AND then still have to hot wire it to get it running and ride off.
That lock isn't a 5 star, i can take it of in 5 secs the stearing collum lock is another 10 secs

Wrong advise i tell my customers to go for a chain 5 star rated and a 5 star disklock for the back in the UK a tracker is a must
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:44 pm quote
Motorcycle Thieves Beware
You know, I wander if there could be a way to electrify a Motorcycle in order to shock the crap out of the little Shits so that they would think twice about stealing another Motorcycle ever again. I for one would deffinitly buy such an Antitheft system if they would come up with one !!
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:54 pm quote
Re: Post-Theft Advice
MShields wrote:
Hello everybody...
Iíve been a long time lurker on the forum and Iíve always found it to be very helpful so thank you to everybody whoís left their advice on here for me to use....

Unfortunately, my MP3 was stolen in mid August and to cut a long story short, last week I found it half a mile away from where it was thieved on somebodyís garden....(the PCNs they clocked up helped me to establish its whereabouts...)

The bike is currently with a garage who are going to take a look at it (it was taken there by the superb guys at Stolen Motorcycle Recovery London). I needed to get the bike off the road ASAP, for obvious reasons so I was happy for the bike to go to the garage although Iím a little concerned that they might not be able to resolve the issues with the bike as they arenít MP3 specialists...

Now, as far as the damage is concerned, the LHS foot panel has been banged but I can swap that out easily enough myself. Iím pretty confident that it hasnít been on itís side and when I manoeuvred the bike to the road, it handled fine...

However, there are two issues that I am concerned about. First of all, the steering lock has been broken and I am worried about whether or not this might have caused damage to the steering/frame/ignition etc. Can anybody enlighten me about what I might be looking at in terms of consequential issues, things that I should be looking out for etc...?

Secondly and probably most importantly, the bike was hotwired. To make it clear, Iím not asking for any information concerning this process, or reversing it, but some information on whether or not resolving this electrical Ďworkí is possible and if it might be costly etc.
When I spoke with the mechanic, he seemed surprised that the thieves managed to bypass the immobiliser...

What I can tell you is that when I used my key on the bike (in an attempt to start it...), the fuel cap and boot lock worked fine but no power came on. The recovery guys had a quick look at the wiring and managed to get the power on when they Ďfiddledí with the wires that were conveniently popping out from in between the front shield and leg shield but I could not get the bike to crank, never mind start, when holding the rear lever down....

At that point, the gentlemen helping me to recover the bike said that it was best to leave the wiring to an expert in case Ďshortingí occurred and the ECU ended up damaged...

I appreciate that most of this is all hypothetical but I would feel much more confident about adequately dealing with the situation if I had a little bit of knowledge about what to look out for in terms of common issues that might arise from the theft of MP3s, the subsequent repairs of them and the associated costs. Anything would help...

I love the bike (Iíve got a real soft spot for it because Iíve been learning how to maintain/repair on it..) and I am desperate to get it back on the road. As for buying a new one, given the theft epidemic here in London, it seems utterly pointless. If things continue as they are, I will more than likely have to give my Ďproperí bike up too...

Thank you in advance.
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Hello Micheal! Have you ever thought about adding a hidden switch with an extra key that you can remove whenever you leave your Bike out of sight or for long periods of time! I`m not promising , but that might help you against thieves. Just a thought.
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:56 pm quote
I believe in South Africa some one fitted a flamethrower device to bothsides of the under side of there car/van/pickup to deter hijackers which is a major problem there.Mind you there also carry.
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:03 pm quote
3legsofman wrote:
I believe in South Africa some one fitted a flamethrower device to bothsides of the under side of there car/van/pickup to deter hijackers which is a major problem there.Mind you there also carry.
Now thats not such a bad idea either !
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:07 pm quote
Hillbilly Fred wrote:
3legsofman wrote:
I believe in South Africa some one fitted a flamethrower device to bothsides of the under side of there car/van/pickup to deter hijackers which is a major problem there.Mind you there also carry.
Now thats not such a bad idea either !
It might be fround on here but in a VERY life or death situation hit the button first and ask questions later.South Africa can be a very dangerous place says my SA contact.
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:48 pm quote
3legsofman wrote:
Hillbilly Fred wrote:
3legsofman wrote:
I believe in South Africa some one fitted a flamethrower device to bothsides of the under side of there car/van/pickup to deter hijackers which is a major problem there.Mind you there also carry.
Now thats not such a bad idea either !
It might be fround on here but in a VERY life or death situation hit the button first and ask questions later.South Africa can be a very dangerous place says my SA contact.
I agree wholeheartedly! I`ve seen in a documentery about what happen to people who break down in South Afrika! The Towers litteraly steal the owners cars from them and I mean in a very dangerous way!
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:36 pm quote
Hi Fred,
At least one hidden switch that will involve the fuel system Is going in this week. Iíve sorted the switch and a superseal connector out so itís just a case of splicing into the correct pump wire...(and taking off and putting on all the MP3ís plastics).

Would it be possible to Ďhackí into the MP3s seat sensor wire and add a switch there? That stood out as a decent place to stick something given the nature of the sensor...

Iím also going to stick a tracker in it too...
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Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:15 pm quote
So, the bike is back...
It appears that an emulator was used that allowed the immobiliser to be bypassed. The thief did about 400 miles on the bike in the space of 10 weeks...

It is in decent condition and the steering/suspension seems fine.

It needs a new LHS wing mirror and front RHS indicator, as well as a LHS floor panel. Itís about £65 in total for those parts...the damage has been done getting the bike in and out of the narrow gate to the thiefís yard...

Iíll probably be asking for information on a few bits soon enough...
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:22 am quote
MShields wrote:
So, the bike is back...
It appears that an emulator was used that allowed the immobiliser to be bypassed. The thief did about 400 miles on the bike in the space of 10 weeks...

It is in decent condition and the steering/suspension seems fine.

It needs a new LHS wing mirror and front RHS indicator, as well as a LHS floor panel. Itís about £65 in total for those parts...the damage has been done getting the bike in and out of the narrow gate to the thiefís yard...

Iíll probably be asking for information on a few bits soon enough...
Glad to hear you were able to get it back. Hopefully, this will be the last time it gets stolen.
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