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Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:44 pm quote
70 km/hr (43 mph) for the new Elettrica? That's woefully insufficient. What's so different with the Eletrrica that Piaggio can't get the top speed up? Zero's motorcycles are hitting 90+ mph (145 km/hr), but the best Vespa can do is 70km/hr? Thoughts on that?
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:30 pm quote
Target market. Why would you need a bike that does 90mph in London, Paris or Milan?
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:31 pm quote
70 is enough for city riding. About what you get out of a derestricted 50 2t.
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:04 pm quote
theschuman wrote:
70 km/hr (43 mph) for the new Elettrica? That's woefully insufficient. What's so different with the Eletrrica that Piaggio can't get the top speed up? Zero's motorcycles are hitting 90+ mph (145 km/hr), but the best Vespa can do is 70km/hr? Thoughts on that?
I think their thoughts is that this is an around town bike. It's limited range and slower speeds are designed for trips in urban areas. Speeds in cities rarely exceed 60 Kmph. This is an ideal bike in Italy which is seeing a ban on two-stroke motors and in places like London where parking is a nightmare and scooter theft focuses on bigger bikes.
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:32 pm quote
Halijaro wrote:
Target market. Why would you need a bike that does 90mph in London, Paris or Milan?
This.

While in Barcelona, I saw many, many maxi-scoots along with their smaller displacement brethren on the streets. Then, Iíd see them again when I caught up (on foot) at the next red light 25m ahead. Thereís just no *need* for 500+cc thatíll do 90+mph - itís fun, sure - but if I lived in a big European city, itíd be a smaller bike for me.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:30 am quote
Halijaro wrote:
Target market. Why would you need a bike that does 90mph in London, Paris or Milan?
I guess you wouldnít (unless you wanted to leave). But 40 mph is a bit too pokey for the Henry Hudson Parkway or the Cross Bronx Expressway. And for a US$3500 premium over a 50cc, I donít get it. Then again, the Zero S caries a US$6000 premium over a Honda Cbr300! I canít wait until the price comes down (and performance goes up) on these electric bikes/scooters.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:16 am quote
I would feel safe assuming that your average manhattan Vespa owner doesnít ride on the Henry Hudson Or Cross Bronx even with a 150cc so the speed is really a non-issue for many. I take my Lx150 on the BQE occasionally as an outer borough resident but even then, itís less of an issue of speed and more wheel size. As for the price, a Vespa is already a premium-priced scooter and a quality electric version would surely cost even more. Iíd say its biggest drawback for intended use is a non-removable battery, which rules out a lot of city customers who park on the street.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:18 am quote
theschuman wrote:
Halijaro wrote:
Target market. Why would you need a bike that does 90mph in London, Paris or Milan?
I guess you wouldnít (unless you wanted to leave). But 40 mph is a bit too pokey for the Henry Hudson Parkway or the Cross Bronx Expressway. And for a US$3500 premium over a 50cc, I donít get it. Then again, the Zero S caries a US$6000 premium over a Honda Cbr300! I canít wait until the price comes down (and performance goes up) on these electric bikes/scooters.
I bet the electric will leave the 50cc in it's dust.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:25 am quote
WEB-Tech wrote:
theschuman wrote:
Halijaro wrote:
Target market. Why would you need a bike that does 90mph in London, Paris or Milan?
I guess you wouldnít (unless you wanted to leave). But 40 mph is a bit too pokey for the Henry Hudson Parkway or the Cross Bronx Expressway. And for a US$3500 premium over a 50cc, I donít get it. Then again, the Zero S caries a US$6000 premium over a Honda Cbr300! I canít wait until the price comes down (and performance goes up) on these electric bikes/scooters.
I bet the electric will leave the 50cc in it's dust.
According to the folks at Sportique Boulder the Electra does just that especially on the grades.
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:54 am quote
WEB-Tech wrote:
theschuman wrote:
Halijaro wrote:
Target market. Why would you need a bike that does 90mph in London, Paris or Milan?
I guess you wouldnít (unless you wanted to leave). But 40 mph is a bit too pokey for the Henry Hudson Parkway or the Cross Bronx Expressway. And for a US$3500 premium over a 50cc, I donít get it. Then again, the Zero S caries a US$6000 premium over a Honda Cbr300! I canít wait until the price comes down (and performance goes up) on these electric bikes/scooters.
I bet the electric will leave the 50cc in it's dust.
Well, if acceleration is the benchmark, Iím not sure the Elettricaís $3500 price premium makes any sense at all. A Zero SR will accelerate nearly as fast (0 to 60mph) as a Honda cbr1000 (never mind the cbr300), and the SR costs $1000 less than the cbr1000. Of course, the SR wonít do 180mph, but neither would most prudent people.
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:58 am quote
Not Piaggio but what do you think of the Italjet Dragster?

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Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:29 pm quote
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