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Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:19 pm quote
An e-scoot that can do 45? That's good for an all around the city transport. But I am a little confused why it is pictured on a highway where the minimum speed is probably 50, with a speed limit of 70 or so.
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:33 pm quote
Tierney wrote:
An e-scoot that can do 45? That's good for an all around the city transport. But I am a little confused why it is pictured on a highway where the minimum speed is probably 50, with a speed limit of 70 or so.
Like they say in commercials- Professional rider on a closed course.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:35 pm quote
I think this is going to be big.
I can see this as more than just for a city use.
Thereís other places where the roads are no more than 45 MPH speed limit.
And you gents in London will appreciate the security feature.
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:44 pm quote
What is the projected price?
Did I miss it in the information?
Molto Verboso
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:45 pm quote
I've been following the NIU story and they seem to get many things right.

Quite nice specs... although 24 lbs batteries are still not something one would grap and go like a cup of coffee, but it's doable if they are easy to lift and place back.
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:54 pm quote
... there seems to be little space on the platforms ...
The problem is always autonomy and recharge time, the speed can be managed.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:12 pm quote
One model goes up to 70 km/h, but only if two batteries are installled. There goes your underseat storage. When I saw how much room it takes to charge the batteries, I abandoned the idea. The charger is massive and you need a splitter, too.
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:35 pm quote
Nope
I wonder if that 25 miles is like the 117 MPG my primavera is supposed to get?

"* The cruising miles on this website are all theoretical values. Actual cruising is affected by various factors such as load, temperature, wind speed, road surface, and operating habits.
Due to the characteristics of lithium batteries, after a long-term period of use, the maximum capacity of the battery will decrease. "


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Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:51 am quote
This technology will never be truly efficient until there is energy recovery whenever the twistgrip is closed and/or brakes applied. My Toyota car incorporates simulated engine braking whenever the accelerator pedal is released so any fuel used climbing an incline is partially recovered as electrical energy going downhill. if the brakes are also applied even more energy is recovered. When this is used on scooters the range will get better.
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:01 pm quote
I saw these at AV in Lake Geneva this summer. They had two of the trim levels present at the event. The NGT I think is the top trim level with highest speed and greatest range.
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:24 pm quote
roadster wrote:
This technology will never be truly efficient until there is energy recovery whenever the twistgrip is closed and/or brakes applied. My Toyota car incorporates simulated engine braking whenever the accelerator pedal is released so any fuel used climbing an incline is partially recovered as electrical energy going downhill. if the brakes are also applied even more energy is recovered. When this is used on scooters the range will get better.
A version of the NIU scooters is deployed in New York City - https://gorevel.com/new-york/ - Austin and Washington DC, by Revel. The speed is restricted to 30mph and the scooters are recovering energy when braking. Because of the speed restriction, only a car drivers license is needed to rent them.

The drive-train system is fairly good and supplied by Bosch. The build quality isnít up to lets say Vespa levels, but itís decent and the scooters are great to use for short to medium trips within cities. I like the NIU scooters (and use them frequently for one-way trips) and can imagine that the models shown on the website are even better. Most trips within cities are short and at lower speeds, thatís what the NIUís are built for.

Given the manufacturing volume that these Chinese factories are dealing with, I think itís likely that their output will get better and better just like it happened with Japanese and Korean brands.
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:49 pm quote
I was just about to say I think this is the same model as the revel rental scooters. Not for me in rental or purchase form. Thumbs down. I'd rather the Royal alloy electric they had a test version of on a scooter lab video a few months back.
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:09 pm quote
The Way Things Stack Up Now:
First, I have fairly direct experience with the offshoot of this particular scoot. Revel has been using a version of it in Brooklyn and Long Island City this past year, with mostly good results, as a ride-share electric scooter (as in, a real scooter, as opposed to the e-push-scooters in use in various cities around the U.S.)

Second: I would seriously hope NIU improved things like throttle linearity and suspension for the private-sale version: in addition to matters on those two fronts, acceleration performance is decidedly mixed: I understand that you don't want to take a throttle-twitchy machine and hand it off to a tired University student as she moves from under the BQE.

Finally, it looks like Piaggio finally bumped up the top speed of the Elecctrica to 45mph.

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Not bad, has some issues.



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Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:32 pm quote
NIU tariff related article.
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:36 am quote
tortoise wrote:
NIU tariff related article.
Good news for Genuine. I'm sure an added 25% tariff would have pretty much killed their plans.
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:02 am quote
Parked my LX in a mixed lineup of scooters this morning in front of the office. Would love to see a whole block of these instead of cars like in parts of some European cities.

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Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:44 am quote
HollerAtchaSoy wrote:
Parked my LX in a mixed lineup of scooters this morning in front of the office. Would love to see a whole block of these instead of cars like in parts of some European cities.
That is interesting. Two of the four scooters are Vespas, and the other two are NIU Revels.
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:07 am quote
not to mention 4-5 other NIU Revels scattered around the block. Granted I work in an office of close to 1000 people who mostly fall in the older Gen-Z and younger Gen-X range age-wise and mostly live within the Revel's operating zone.
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:08 pm quote
It's a Start
Yep, I ride 'em, and like 'em a bunch. Also love how popular they are in Brooklyn and LIC.

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Melody, hangin' with the Revels last weekend.

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Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:30 pm quote
HollerAtchaSoy wrote:
Parked my LX in a mixed lineup of scooters this morning in front of the office. Would love to see a whole block of these instead of cars like in parts of some European cities.
My trip to Vienna two years back was scooter/moto Nirvana. This is how a city achieves a proper transportation balance.

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Everybody's on the same level...

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Öand on every block clusters of these are parked.

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