Piaggio going big on Vespa in 2020 ?
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:48 am quote
Is what many have been asking for actually happening in 2020...

a Vespa 500 SS ?

youtu.be/rXqcsKK4edU
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:54 am quote
Wow looks amazing.
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:00 am quote
Seems it 200cc?
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:21 am quote
johnymoore wrote:
Seems it 200cc?
Okay maybe not.
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:23 am quote
Interesting, but the poster uploaded a similar concept video back in March this year....

youtube.com/watch?v=NipMY-wGhuo
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:50 am quote
It’d be nice, but I shudder to think what it would cost...
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:16 am quote
I think I missed the bit where they actually stuffed a 500cc motor inside.
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:32 am quote
What could you do with a 500 cc scooter that a 300 cc (or less) scooter can't do anyway?
It is more important how it is built and with what quality, Piaggio already has a 500 cc scooter of good quality; Vespa, in my opinion, is successful because it does not need many muscles to capture customers.
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:49 pm quote
It really is beautiful.

A BV 500 in Vespa clothing. Retro.

I think a 350 would be quite enough. Better balanced, anyway.

Is that a 14" rear wheel?
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:24 pm quote
Here We Are Again
There have been renderings of "GTS 500" concepts all over the Internets for some time now. I file these under the Adobe School of Rendered Wishful Thinking. We should feel lucky Piaggio bothered to pump up the 300's output this year in the HPE/Supertech. I can already keep up okay in highway traffic on my "ordinary" GTS Super. It's fun on the few occasions I got to wind it out to about a "true" 85mph; I don't think I want, or need, to go much faster with this platform.

People constantly pining for a "fire-breathing" Vespa, IMO, ought to look elsewhere in the Piaggio catalog; the company is only too happy to oblige. Let Vespa be Vespa.
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:10 pm quote
I like the vertical headlight!
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:38 pm quote
I am not able to open the video in my browser, could someone please provide a You Tube link ?
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:43 pm quote
DandyDoug wrote:
I am not able to open the video in my browser, could someone please provide a You Tube link ?
You just missed seeing it. youtube.com/watch?v=NipMY-wGhuo

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Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:52 pm quote
The flagship scooter has a speed limiter installed, so the powers that be don’t think a Vespa should go faster than that.
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:35 pm quote
znomit wrote:
The flagship scooter has a speed limiter installed, so the powers that be don’t think a Vespa should go faster than that.
My 300 doesn’t have a speed limiter. It DOES have a rev limiter. Very different things.
School buses have speed limiters that restrict the engine to 45 or 55 mph...with authorization, they get removed for field trips that require interstate travel.
A rev limiter simply keeps you from over-revving and blowing the motor.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:11 am quote
Miguel wrote:
DandyDoug wrote:
I am not able to open the video in my browser, could someone please provide a You Tube link ?
You just missed seeing it. youtube.com/watch?v=NipMY-wGhuo

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I went to the youtube.com/watch?v=NipMY-wGhuo , nothing there about any Vespa's ??
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:28 am quote
Hey, is it just me or the following things just don't seem right:

1. The front fork is a "Tim Horton's" as in a "double-double", fork.
2. The fork cover normally used on the regular single fork, is backwards.
3. A double Brembo setup? Maybe at that much displacement, it could require it, I don't know.

Interesting concept, but in my opinion, entirely unnecessary. I maintain that the Vespa 300 is just "purr-fect", the way it is with its modernized tweaks.[/list]
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:03 am quote
My Tmax has dual front discs. I’ve been fortunate to have not had to truly “test” them to their limit, but I can definitely say that I’ve become more appreciative of “60 to 0” times and less so with “0 to 60.” YMMV.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:11 am quote
Weird Howard Jones-esque porn music turned me off somewhat.

Call me intrigued! If they truly are going to come out with a 500cc. In reading the description below the video this sentence caught my attention: "500 cc Piaggio X9, is associated with an appropriate chassis: 15-inch wheels"

Not familiar with the Piaggeo X9, is that the engine in the BV500?

BUT, the 15inch wheels do have me VERY interested.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:17 am quote
Sacto Monkeyboy wrote:
Weird Howard Jones-esque porn music turned me off somewhat.

Call me intrigued! If they truly are going to come out with a 500cc. In reading the description below the video this sentence caught my attention: "500 cc Piaggio X9, is associated with an appropriate chassis: 15-inch wheels"

Not familiar with the Piaggeo X9, is that the engine in the BV500?

BUT, the 15inch wheels do have me VERY interested.
It really has to be an updated BV 500 with a Vespa body. As such, it could be a legitimate ride.

I think that this one is just a fantasy, however. Check the very ending.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:17 am quote
JimC used to own an X9, iirc - a pair of them, in fact (one for him and one for the mrs) - he can comment about the engine in the X9. Basically, it was Piaggio’s original “maxi scooter” before the Beverly (and Aprilia Scarabeo) series of bikes were introduced.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:52 am quote
...the X 9...and the X 10 350/500 ? We missed an X ...

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Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:08 pm quote
No, Piaggio is not about to release a 500 SS (GTS). Setting aside the technical reasons why that isn't a good or practical idea - why would they spend all that money, time, and effort developing the GTS 300 HPE in order to immediately yank the rug out from under it? I'd say this is the same old story that makes the rounds every year or two.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:46 pm quote
Fully agree.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:57 pm quote
Yeah we see these all the time. The Vespa is a small maxi-scoot and that is it's niche. I don't think the form factor really is suitable for a 500 CC engine and if you want something bigger then Piaggio has offerings. I love my Vespa but did want something bigger so got a C650GT. The BMW is a BIG bike and 500 CC's isn't that much behind 650. I don't see how Piaggio can make a "Vespa" with that big a motor that looks like a Vespa.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:23 pm quote
the 500 will never make it into vespa frame. they just need to redesign the 300 more. yamaha xmax engine makes like 27hp and gets 100mpg. kinda embarrassing. they really need to catch up.
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:14 am quote
Piaggio already has the right engine to go to the next step, it is the 350 that is mounted on the Beverly and on the MP3.
The problem is that it heats up much more than the current 300 (271) and the current cooling system is just enough; the idea is (rumors that run on the forums in Italy) to redesign the front fairing and make a larger curved shaped radiator.
If you think about it, the problem is the cooling of the engine that is bigger and warmer.
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:31 am quote
I Googled up the vision of the supposed 500cc model.
It looks nice , a bit of a styling update over the current model , and a good engineering exercise for sure.

Will it happen ? me thinks probably not.

No real reason to do it IMHO , the American market is already shifting toward smaller displacement machines to hopefully gain new younger riders. Or returning riders who no longer want or need to manage an overweight barge.

In Europe and many parts of the world , smaller displacement machines are the way it is and probably will remain so.

If for no other reasons than fuel prices, taxes on displacement , insurance, congestion in cities where most of the population resides .
Plus when young folks can get a car over a two wheeler that's the way most of them seem to lean.
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:12 am quote
fake news
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:15 am quote
Point37 wrote:
fake news
Yes,there are many on the web ...
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:57 am quote
Attila wrote:
Piaggio already has the right engine to go to the next step, it is the 350 that is mounted on the Beverly and on the MP3.
The problem is that it heats up much more than the current 300 (271) and the current cooling system is just enough; the idea is (rumors that run on the forums in Italy) to redesign the front fairing and make a larger curved shaped radiator.
If you think about it, the problem is the cooling of the engine that is bigger and warmer.
I know it is like comparing apples and oranges, but how is it that Piaggio can’t adequately liquid-cool a 350cc engine, yet Porsche was running air-cooled (aka, oil cooled) engines of over 3L displacement, making incredible HP and Torque numbers for their size, until 1999 (when they finally went liquid-cooled in the 911)?
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:37 pm quote
Masala wrote:
Attila wrote:
Piaggio already has the right engine to go to the next step, it is the 350 that is mounted on the Beverly and on the MP3.
The problem is that it heats up much more than the current 300 (271) and the current cooling system is just enough; the idea is (rumors that run on the forums in Italy) to redesign the front fairing and make a larger curved shaped radiator.
If you think about it, the problem is the cooling of the engine that is bigger and warmer.
I know it is like comparing apples and oranges, but how is it that Piaggio can’t adequately liquid-cool a 350cc engine, yet Porsche was running air-cooled (aka, oil cooled) engines of over 3L displacement, making incredible HP and Torque numbers for their size, until 1999 (when they finally went liquid-cooled in the 911)?
Look at the front of the Vespa, how big is the air intake??? That is the issue.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:39 pm quote
Masala wrote:
I know it is like comparing apples and oranges, but how is it that Piaggio can’t adequately liquid-cool a 350cc engine, yet Porsche was running air-cooled (aka, oil cooled) engines of over 3L displacement, making incredible HP and Torque numbers for their size, until 1999 (when they finally went liquid-cooled in the 911)?
Piaggio liquid cools the BV 350 just fine. The issue that was raised is adequate cooling of the 350 engine inside the form factor of the leg shield of the GTS.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:38 pm quote
We understand that those who did the drawing do not understand anything mechanical, there is not a single air intake on the front ... and even wanting to put the radiator on the back side there would be no space; fortunately there are engineers and not architects (without offense) to design the functional parts of the scooter.
Dooglas wrote:
Piaggio liquid cools the BV 350 just fine. The issue that was raised is adequate cooling of the 350 engine inside the form factor of the leg shield of the GTS.
That's what i wanted to say, thanks.
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