Anyone trade in their scooter for Triumph or Moto Guzzi?
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:22 pm quote
First thought is how much, if any, off-road riding do you see yourself doing?
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:25 pm quote
Cheshire wrote:
First thought is how much, if any, off-road riding do you see yourself doing?
like the up right position. Probably not much off-road upfront thatís why the 790 adventure S. Also intrigued by the technology on the KTM.
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:24 pm quote
zwniana wrote:
Down to 2017 BMW F800GS, 2019 KTM adventure 790, and the Bonneville T120 Black

Thoughts?
I'm a fan of the BMW bikes. Generally very good build quality and depending where you live not hard to get serviced. The gears are also incredibly easy to use and the ABS/ASR incredible if that matters to you. They put a lot of thought in to the technology behind what the build. I also think the F800GS is a good bike and I'm considering the 2020. I probably won't but ONLY because of comfort for the pillion.
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:13 pm quote
I traded my GTS 300 for a T120. I wanted something a little bigger for rides in the Ozark mountains. I miss the Vespa regularly. It was really more fun as a daily rider, and the storage was fantastic. I probably wonít go back but Iíd the wife let me Iíd buy another.
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:08 pm quote
With this set, I would really try to get test rides - they are so different to each other.

Personally, I would also check out the newer BMW 750/850 models. They look similar to the old ones, but in addition to the engine there are many other changes.

T120 is for sure the "weightiest" feeling choise of these, it does not feel as nimble as the ADV - style bikes. Beautiful it is and the latest engine is a smooth, high torque on low revs -master piece. As I personally know how nice the smaller 900cc engine is too, I would not ignore a T100 Black either. Yes, the engine is less powerfull, but the bike also weights a bit less... and although the difference may be subtle, the T100 does feel a bit more agile - or then it is just in my own head...

On that note, there are many who have lost their soul to Triumph's Tiger series... a very charming 3-cylinder engine in a capable bike.

I have not ridden the KTM Adventure 790, as it is a bit tall for me to be practical for everyday use (I'm a shorty ), but that sure is an interesting bike...according to my KTM fan friend, it is still a bit more "hardcore" travel bike to the true KTM nature, compared to e.g. the plusher BMW.

So, test ride, test ride....
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:02 am quote
Depends where youíre riding it and how long your longest ride will be.
The Triumph will take you to the coffee shop or across the country. The only thing it canít do is off road. I know ADV bikes are all the rage now, but they donít speak to me since my off road days are mostly behind me.

But in the end, itís a question that cant be answered for you by others.
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:12 am quote
RRider wrote:
With this set, I would really try to get test rides - they are so different to each other.
^^^this...that said of those 3 i'd be looking hard at the ktm...

2019 KTM adventure 790 (460lbs 95hp)
2017 BMW F800GS (511lbs 85hp)
Bonneville T120 Black (494lbs 80hp)

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Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:45 am quote
A dealership with a MotoGuzzi Carbon and Rough at great prices leftovers from 2018. Tempted to get one of those since they are.... motoguzzi, light, and look fantastic
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:00 am quote
a cruiser, a classic standard and 2 adventure bikes...you're all over the place
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:10 am quote
Point37 wrote:
a cruiser, a classic standard and 2 adventure bikes...you're all over the place
It like tiles in HomeDepot, too many options. There used to be one a handful of good options!

I am off the triumph hype since they cost too much money upfront. Maybe in 5 years!
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:16 am quote
zwniana wrote:
Point37 wrote:
a cruiser, a classic standard and 2 adventure bikes...you're all over the place
It like tiles in HomeDepot, too many options. There used to be one a handful of good options!

I am off the triumph hype since they cost too much money upfront. Maybe in 5 years!
yea i would go used if you're looking for a bonneville
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:40 am quote
zwniana wrote:
A dealership with a MotoGuzzi Carbon and Rough at great prices leftovers from 2018. Tempted to get one of those since they are.... motoguzzi, light, and look fantastic
I might get whipped because of this comment .. but compared to the other bikes you listed, well, let's say I could see why a V7 is a bit cheaper.

Doesn't mean you couldn't love one, but please compare/test ride.... it does look fantastic, it sounds fantastic and even feels quite cool... but it's a bit different than the other bikes on your list. To some, this means better, to some not - but a V7 is definitely not indifferent
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:43 am quote
RRider wrote:
zwniana wrote:
A dealership with a MotoGuzzi Carbon and Rough at great prices leftovers from 2018. Tempted to get one of those since they are.... motoguzzi, light, and look fantastic
I might get whipped because of this comment .. but compared to the other bikes you listed, well, let's say I could see why a V7 is a bit cheaper.

Doesn't mean you couldn't love one, but please compare/test ride.... it does look fantastic, it sounds fantastic and even feels quite cool... but it's a bit different than the other bikes on your list. To some, this means better, to some not - but a V7 is definitely not indifferent
Please explain more. This is my first geared bike since offroad dirt bikes 15 years ago. So probably any will feel great to me.
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:49 am quote
probably this...power to weight ratio is the least of the 4 choices...

2019 KTM adventure 790 (460lbs 95hp)
2017 BMW F800GS (511lbs 85hp)
Bonneville T120 Black (494lbs 80hp)
MotoGuzzi V7 Carbon (474lbs 52hp)
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:15 am quote
Point37 wrote:
probably this...power to weight ratio is the least of the 4 choices...

2019 KTM adventure 790 (460lbs 95hp)
2017 BMW F800GS (511lbs 85hp)
Bonneville T120 Black (494lbs 80hp)
MotoGuzzi V7 Carbon (474lbs 52hp)
@Point37 I'm surprised you didn't tell me to add the Vespa GTS at this point hahaha since I am all over the place...
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:21 am quote
zwniana wrote:
Point37 wrote:
probably this...power to weight ratio is the least of the 4 choices...

2019 KTM adventure 790 (460lbs 95hp)
2017 BMW F800GS (511lbs 85hp)
Bonneville T120 Black (494lbs 80hp)
MotoGuzzi V7 Carbon (474lbs 52hp)
@Point37 I'm surprised you didn't tell me to add the Vespa GTS at this point hahaha since I am all over the place...
you already have 3 scooters...4 is a bit much
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:20 am quote
what would make sense is to sell the XMAX first for $4000 then my buying decision would make more sense.
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:55 pm quote
Harbinger wrote:
TBH I like both rides but maybe lean towards Triumph though BMW has a good cafe racer now and I love their old ones. IF I were to pick something like this up I'd look for an old BMW R90S . Retirement isn't "that" far away and then I can add to the corral.
Harbinger, that R90 is gorgeous! Those were the days when a motorcycle emphasized the motor. That yellow fading to orange paint... I think I'm drooling.
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:25 pm quote
Attila wrote:
Moto Guzzi in Italy does not enjoy much favor, it is too static, it is not felt as an evolving brand
That's pretty much how they are regarded here in the US too, sort of like a two wheeled Buick. I think the majority of Moto Guzzi riders in the US actually remember when the CHP rode them and got a good deal on a brand new five year old model shipped to them from Seattle.
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:38 pm quote
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Harbinger, that R90 is gorgeous! Those were the days when a motorcycle emphasized the motor. That yellow fading to orange paint... I think I'm drooling.
If your goal is to ride into the back of a stopped car, the Gummikuh is the perfect bike.
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:49 pm quote
zwniana wrote:
Down to 2017 BMW F800GS, 2019 KTM adventure 790, and the Bonneville T120 Black

Thoughts?
Mechanically, the BMW is probably the best overall choice, but if you want to talk about your future RTW trip at HU meetings and starbucks, the KTM has the most cred. The Bonneville? Meh.
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:49 pm quote
Motovista wrote:
Attila wrote:
Moto Guzzi in Italy does not enjoy much favor, it is too static, it is not felt as an evolving brand
That's pretty much how they are regarded here in the US too, sort of like a two wheeled Buick. I think the majority of Moto Guzzi riders in the US actually remember when the CHP rode them and got a good deal on a brand new five year old model shipped to them from Seattle.
But so customers are lost ...
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:10 am quote
Attila wrote:
Motovista wrote:
Attila wrote:
Moto Guzzi in Italy does not enjoy much favor, it is too static, it is not felt as an evolving brand
That's pretty much how they are regarded here in the US too, sort of like a two wheeled Buick. I think the majority of Moto Guzzi riders in the US actually remember when the CHP rode them and got a good deal on a brand new five year old model shipped to them from Seattle.
But so customers are lost ...
If they didn't have to win the bid for the Italian govt. contract in 1961, they'd still be making Falcones and not Victorias BMW saw the writing on the walls, and found a way to successfully leave the boxer behind when it became apparent big air cooled twins weren't the path forward. MG has turned into one big nostalgia ride. I can't think of anything they've made in years that isn't a rehash of something they've made before. At least the new ones are still more durable than most other motorcycles out there that were built in 1965.
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:33 am quote
... it was the sad fate of the British motorcycle industry in the 1960s to late 70s ...
But even BMW motorcycles were about to close, their luck was that they also produced cars and produced only those few models destined to keep the brand alive waiting for better and different times; then they hooked on the ideas of Japanese production but at the type level (BMW GS, a great idea) and dared to challenge them with K series engines, not exceptional but aimed at offering the BMW customer an alternative. And today they also offered themselves with scooters ...
Guzzi has always lacked the alternative offer, first of all engines and then truly innovative models; the motorcycle is first of all a whim, it is also a display of power but above all a set of externalization of momentum! BMW also offers this, Triumph as well, even Benelli understands it, MV Agusta is making the opposite mistake ... it proposes itself as Ferrari on two wheels and does not produce medium or more touristic models. In the long run, this choice may be wrong but the factory is small and you can afford to take risks.
Returning to Guzzi, we must remember that it is part of the Piaggio group together with Aprilia and this is the problem, they have divided the types of motorcycles produced by brand also to optimize production; Obviously, being supported by the auto sector, BMW knows no crisis and can use a wider know-how but brand and types are only those ... BMW.
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:37 am quote
Attila wrote:
Returning to Guzzi, we must remember that it is part of the Piaggio group together with Aprilia and this is the problem, they have divided the types of motorcycles produced by brand also to optimize production;
MG has been going out of business since 1923. Do you remember when DeTomaso was the problem? The police in Buenos Aires are still riding the Guzzis he sold them.
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:41 am quote
Motovista wrote:
Attila wrote:
Returning to Guzzi, we must remember that it is part of the Piaggio group together with Aprilia and this is the problem, they have divided the types of motorcycles produced by brand also to optimize production;
MG has been going out of business since 1923. Do you remember when DeTomaso was the problem? The police in Buenos Aires are still riding the Guzzis he sold them.
... nothing is forever, remember it ...
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:43 am quote
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:29 am quote
Mikey007 wrote:
Scooter are just that ...Fun is
...In the corner with a...is that a 650c or 700c wheel? And why did you leave the bag on the bicycle saddle after itís in the garage?
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:57 am quote
Thank you all for your help. Ended up going with the BMW F800GS. Incredible deal.

Am I allowed and will there be any interest to sell XMAX accessories on this forum. Parts, comfort seat, rear seat, extra fob, and utility bar.
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:08 pm quote
Thereís a classifieds section just for that.
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:19 pm quote
Cheshire wrote:
Thereís a classifieds section just for that.
Great thank you. Didnít know if non Vespa stuff was allowed.
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:24 pm quote
There are plenty of members who have non-Vespa scooters and motorcycles, so no reason why you canít post non-Vespa parts/accessories.
Just make sure you read the two stickies to make the moderatorsí jobs easier.
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:29 am quote
Congratulations on the new bike!

Hard to go badly wrong with that one
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:46 am quote
zwniana wrote:
Thank you all for your help. Ended up going with the BMW F800GS. Incredible deal.

Am I allowed and will there be any interest to sell XMAX accessories on this forum. Parts, comfort seat, rear seat, extra fob, and utility bar.
Congrats! Great choice for a bike. I'm considering swapping my C650GT for another BMW but figure I will stick with what I have. My wife loves the pillion comfort and without going to the really big boy BMW's nothing compares. I don't need one of those living downtown but maybe in a few years when I leave hog town.
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