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Molto Verboso
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:07 pm quote
Lynnb wrote:
This is looking fantastic, I still have to put the mouldings on mine but I still have a the holes, I think I’ve been procrastinating because I have to massage the dents out of the trims.
I've used a bamboo chopstick as a kind of soft punch and a small, light weight hammer on a block of soft wood secured in a vise to get the dents and creases out.
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Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:32 am quote
nomadinsiam wrote:
Lynnb wrote:
This is looking fantastic, I still have to put the mouldings on mine but I still have a the holes, I think I’ve been procrastinating because I have to massage the dents out of the trims.
I've used a bamboo chopstick as a kind of soft punch and a small, light weight hammer on a block of soft wood secured in a vise to get the dents and creases out.
Thats another one for Tips & Tricks !!
Molto Verboso
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Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:55 am quote
Gravelrash2004 wrote:
nomadinsiam wrote:
Lynnb wrote:
This is looking fantastic, I still have to put the mouldings on mine but I still have a the holes, I think I’ve been procrastinating because I have to massage the dents out of the trims.
I've used a bamboo chopstick as a kind of soft punch and a small, light weight hammer on a block of soft wood secured in a vise to get the dents and creases out.
Thats another one for Tips & Tricks !!
It's a bit tedious. If they are really scratched up like mine were, you might have to sand and lightly polish afterwards.

The only reason I bothered is because they were original trims and as usual the aftermarket ones were shorter than the originals and fit poorly, so ready for the recycle bin.
bodgemaster
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:22 pm quote
Ok, rant time.

This aftermarket trim is the kind of thing that drives me UP THE EFFING WALL.

Besides being made of cheap, shiny fake chrome instead of aluminum like the original, it’s not even the same damn size or shape.

I mean, seriously... How hard is it to make one piece of aluminum look like another piece of aluminum? Did whoever made this not have a set of calipers? Was it too much trouble to trace the shape on a piece of paper and make a template?

And yes, it is sold as “GL trim” and no, it wasn’t some random eBay part. This is what is being touted by the shops as the “top quality” stuff.

What’s the point of putting dozens of hours into nice body work and paint only to have a goofy piece of trim on there?

I’m literally running out of swear words.

See for yourself. The real deal in top pic, crappy repop in bottom pic.

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Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:33 pm quote
Wow..... that is pretty messed up. And not real close. I am sorry, Mike.
Your bodywork is top notch, so I can understand your frustration.

Out of curiosity, what is under the ‘chrome’ of the repop trim? Is it still aluminum? Asking only to see how soft it is, and how feasible it would be to correct it.
bodgemaster
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:40 pm quote
Yes, seems to be.

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Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:44 pm quote
Hmmmm...
Well, the large gentle curve can definitely be corrected by hand.
The tight curve is an issue. Looks almost as if the tight curve was put not near enough to the end of the piece. The long 'straight' section looks a little short on the new piece... am I seeing that right?
bodgemaster
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:06 pm quote
Yes, I think that’s correct. I suspect the repop is the same overall length as the original. It was probably cut to the correct length, the edges rolled, then bent to shape. Except the bend was put in the wrong place.
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:50 pm quote
Wow that really is messed up, I had considered buying new ones but it was out of stock, I’m definitely going to have to work on getting mine smoothed out. Those pieces won’t do your great body work any justice unless you can manipulate them to the way their suppose to look.
Molto Verboso
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:04 pm quote
Oh man.
Send back and order another set from different supplier?
See what you get?
Hopeless.
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:43 pm quote
https://www.maskesvespaparts.com/Webwinkel-Product-25976899/Side-panel-trim-GLX.html

Outch! Time to break out the Visa and use the same guys I used for my Rally project. Top notch stuff
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:39 pm quote
MJRally wrote:
https://www.maskesvespaparts.com/Webwinkel-Product-25976899/Side-panel-trim-GLX.html

Outch! Time to break out the Visa and use the same guys I used for my Rally project. Top notch stuff
Is it just me, or do these actually look pretty similar to the repro one SCG already has?



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bodgemaster
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:26 am quote
They look the same to me too, Ginch. Bet they’re all the from the same supplier.
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:35 am quote
Body work is looking great! Had the same issue with aftermarket trim on mine too ended up working on the original best I could. As mentioned above a bamboo stick works great the trim is pretty soft.

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Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:59 am quote
Beaut of a GL, Hibbert.
bodgemaster
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:07 am quote
Getting close to paint. Could be this weekend.

Here’s a little primer on priming a new gas tank ...

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Tank comes covered in some kind of especially stinky oil - needs good cleaning before

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Wipe as much of the smelly oil off as possible ...

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... and viola, shiny tank ready for degreasing

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You can buy special degreasers, but dishwashing detergent does the job. Kirkland has never let me down.

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Once it's clean, degreased, rinsed off and dry, sand any random rust spots off

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Now the fun part... metal treatment. It's basically an acid etch. I use a product called One Choice by PPG.

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Apply with a scuff pad, let it sizzle for a couple of minutes, rinse off. Respirator recommended.

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Tank can now be primed. Dixie cup makes a handy mask to keep primer out of inside.

Molto Verboso
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:37 am quote
Thought your Dixie cup was a fast fuel valve of some kind.
I was like - wow... what's gotten into SoCal?!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Looks close.
What did you decide to do about the side trim issue?
bodgemaster
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:14 am quote
Re trim: Friend of mine who’s into custom cars recommended a guy nearby who restores trim. Gonna drop by this afternoon with all the pieces and see what he can do.
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:00 am quote
looking good man!
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Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:43 am quote
Thanks for the primer, looking great. I thought of you when I was attempting to get the slight dings out of my cowl trim, I decided to quit while I was ahead. Those little clips in the rear are a bit tricky and I found if you apply just a dab of clear silicone on either side of them , they stay still and probably won’t loosen up in the track.
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Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:07 pm quote
I wonder how long it would take to get a new set bent, if you sent pictures on a piece of graph paper with dimensions to the supplier? Or they may have more in stock that are bent differently?
Molto Verboso
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Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:51 am quote
hibbert wrote:
Body work is looking great! Had the same issue with aftermarket trim on mine too ended up working on the original best I could. As mentioned above a bamboo stick works great the trim is pretty soft.
Man, that rack is sweet. I’m not much of a fan of front racks, but that’s the only one I’d ever consider. There’s a guy in Taiwan who has those in reproduction and his look really nice. The originals are hard to find and expensive.
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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:36 am quote
nomadinsiam wrote:
Man, that rack is sweet. I’m not much of a fan of front racks, but that’s the only one I’d ever consider. There’s a guy in Taiwan who has those in reproduction and his look really nice. The originals are hard to find and expensive.
I think I have one of those racks that was on my VBB when I got it from my father-in-law. I always assumed it was a re-pop, but it's around here somewhere. I guess I should take a look.

And Mike, thanks for the Primer! I'll be needing this knowledge at some point once I finally get my own GL project going.
bodgemaster
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Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:25 am quote
Update.

Dropped the trim off with the trim guy. He says he’ll give it a shot, not promising anything.

Meanwhile, sand, straighten, prime, fill ... sand a little more, straighten, prime little more, fill a little more ...

There comes a point in bodywork where it’s diminishing returns. I’m there.

Legshield for example, needed way more work than I originally thought. Ripples and dings everywhere. Not perfect now, but calling it good. Time to get color on this thing and get it rolling.

Unfortunately it’s been crazy hot here ... upper 90’s during most of the day. Not ideal conditions for outdoor painting. My patio body shop / spray booth - which faces south and has direct, blazing sun exposure most of the day - is like a sauna.

Btw, temperature does all sorts of crazy things to paint. It affects flow, viscosity, cure time, etc. Getting it to spray and dry correctly in high heat requires juggling hardeners, reducers, recoat windows, etc... it’s been challenge. More than one part has turned out like crap and has had to be completely redone.

Good news is found a color I like. My paint supply store isn’t letting customers inside due to Covid. But the guy let me in after hours to look at some color books.

Want a sneak peek now, or wait for the final reveal?

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Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:00 pm quote
Sneak peek!
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Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:18 pm quote
Sneak peak for sure.
I sure understand what you mean when there’s dings in the legshield, not only do you have the front to look good but the rear is going to have a direct impact to the front and visey versy.
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Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:36 pm quote
Legshields look great Mike! Primer does give you a bit of a false sense of security, but having seen your other work I'll bet it's pretty near perfect.

Sneak peek!
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Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:03 pm quote
Looks bomber man. Give us more!!!!
bodgemaster
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Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:43 pm quote
Only a peek

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Molto Verboso
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Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:51 pm quote
apparently he had the guy from scooter & service over for this photo shoot
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Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:45 pm quote
charlieman22 wrote:
apparently he had the guy from scooter & service over for this photo shoot
^Ha!
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Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:26 am quote
Ok we need more, can you back up with the camera a bit , like 5 feet and bring it out side?
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Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:42 am quote
Lynnb wrote:
Ok we need more, can you back up with the camera a bit , like 5 feet and bring it out side?
And maybe remove whatever Everything Bagel equivalent of image filters you put on there while your'e at it
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Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:31 am quote
Quote:
whatever Everything Bagel equivalent of image filters
^ hahaha.
The man is clearly not coming clean until he has this thing all painted.
Like click bait - I still dont know what that 1980's tv star looks like today!
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Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:39 am quote
charlieman22 wrote:
Like click bait - I still dont know what that 1980's tv star looks like today!
Next, you're going to tell me you don't know why you should always check the background of pictures you take, or the one thing you should eat to make belly fat melt like crazy.
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Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:57 am quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Ok, rant time.

This aftermarket trim is the kind of thing that drives me UP THE EFFING WALL.

Besides being made of cheap, shiny fake chrome instead of aluminum like the original, it’s not even the same damn size or shape.

I mean, seriously... How hard is it to make one piece of aluminum look like another piece of aluminum? Did whoever made this not have a set of calipers? Was it too much trouble to trace the shape on a piece of paper and make a template?

And yes, it is sold as “GL trim” and no, it wasn’t some random eBay part. This is what is being touted by the shops as the “top quality” stuff.

What’s the point of putting dozens of hours into nice body work and paint only to have a goofy piece of trim on there?

I’m literally running out of swear words.

See for yourself. The real deal in top pic, crappy repop in bottom pic.
What about making your own trim with a hot melt glue gun and a jar of silver colored Testors paint?
bodgemaster
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Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:15 am quote
Never would’ve even thought that was possible. I’ve never seen a paint that would fool anyone into thinking it was aluminum.

Can you show us or describe how you’d do it?
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Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:13 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Never would’ve even thought that was possible. I’ve never seen a paint that would fool anyone into thinking it was aluminum.

Can you show us or describe how you’d do it?
It would involve young children and a sweaty shop...
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Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:32 pm quote
whodatschrome wrote:
It would involve young children and a sweaty shop...
Most young children don't sweat very much, so it's probably tears. All good either way so long as they get my repop aluminum trim right!
bodgemaster
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Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:46 pm quote
whodatschrome wrote:
It would involve young children and a sweaty shop...
Then pass. I do all my bodgery personally.
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