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Ossessionato
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:20 am quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Thanks all. Took a couple of hours to get that badge on with the tiny rivets.

The mantis was cool. You donít see many in San Diego. When it finished reading the warning label, it climbed up on the LED and sat there staring at me while I worked. I felt like I shouldíve offered it a beer.
Any special technique used for sending those little badge rivets home? Just cut to a proper length and tap tap tap? I know when I did my floor rails using a small file to start the rounding/mushrooming effect helped before starting to tap them down.
bodgemaster
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:29 am quote
Mine didnít need mushrooming.
Theyíre a press fit through 1/16Ē holes.

But yes, the replacement rivets are way too long and need to be trimmed almost in half.
Ossessionato
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:41 am quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Mine didnít need mushrooming.
Theyíre a press fit through 1/16Ē holes.

But yes, the replacement rivets are way too long and need to be trimmed almost in half.
Mine are about 1/16" as well , too tiny for my chubby fingers. I have a couple blemishes from when I drilled the new badge holes that I filled with touch up paint and be letting it sit through the winter so the gases escape before I buff them out. I simply 3M taped my badge in place for now.
Ossessionato
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:57 pm quote
I'm confused - if you don't mushroom them at all, won't they just fall back out?
bodgemaster
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:06 pm quote
Good question. Mark (poidog) and I were just talking about that.

I just pressed them in. It was a super tight interference fit. Didnít feel like whacking tiny rivets on a new paint job.

Not sure how they did it at the factory. They were literally flush with the metal on the back of the legshield. It looks like they were pressed in, smeared with a dab of adhesive and then covered with the running in sticker.

Hereís the best before pic I have of mine. Maybe Mark can post a picture of the backside of his factory-original GL legshield.

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Ossessionato
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:16 pm quote
yeah some adhesive backup might be worth the trouble
bodgemaster
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:46 pm quote
Front endís in. Old races were in great shape, so I just cleaned em up and put new bearings in. Feels silky smooth.

Horn was roached from years of sitting outside. This is as clean as I could get it without damaging the the chrome. Oh well. It works.

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Molto Verboso
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:50 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Front endís in. Old races were in great shape, so I just cleaned em up and put new bearings in. Feels silky smooth.

Horn was roached from years of sitting outside. This is as clean as I could get it without damaging the the chrome. Oh well. It works.
What did you clean it up with? I like to use brass wool, on stainless and have used it in chrome. The chrome is harder than brass.
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:58 pm quote
Piaggio magic....

I have no ideal how these were attached.... ?

Riveted and then painted after? No clue....


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Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:00 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Front endís in. Old races were in great shape, so I just cleaned em up and put new bearings in. Feels silky smooth.

Horn was roached from years of sitting outside. This is as clean as I could get it without damaging the the chrome. Oh well. It works.
Looks GREAT!! Kind of an homage to its history and age. Especially if it still works! Brilliant!! I am so digging the original horn screws also! I read somewhere that you 'should never find a phillips head on a 60's Vespa'.
bodgemaster
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:30 pm quote
Ha, good catch on the screws ... thought they added to the res-q vibe.

Christopher - good tip on brass wool. But Iím afraid even thatís going to take the chrome off. The plating is barely hanging on. A 3000 grit polishing pad was too much. Iíll give it a few more rubs with Mothers when everything is back together.
bodgemaster
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:41 pm quote
Question for the crew:

Since the scoot runs premix, and all my carbs are injected, I need to figure out how to get the non-injected slide pull rod off the original 20/17 and put it on the other carb.

Been fussing with it for half an hour, canít figure out how to get it apart. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

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Ossessionato
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:25 pm quote
It should pull straight out. Then that black rubber disc can be changed.

Wheres the hang up? Can you get a scalpel and cut the rubber out?
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:21 am quote
agree... it must be bound by the old rubber, grime, and gunk.

Brute force and cussing should do the trick
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:26 am quote
Birdsnest wrote:
agree... it must be bound by the old rubber, grime, and gunk.

Brute force and cussing should do the trick
^^+1

That rubber disk gets hard as plastic over time.

The amount of brute force is directly proportional to the amount of cussing. At least in my experience.

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Molto Verboso
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:47 am quote
Heat (if you have a replacement rubber)
bodgemaster
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:24 am quote
And the crew delivers ...


Heating the surrounding metal with the little torch softened the hard plastic grommet just enough to let the ball end of the rod through. And all parts survived.

Gracias amigos!

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bodgemaster
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:02 pm quote
In goes the engine.

Thatís the original harness btw. Surprisingly, all the wires and electrical connections were still good. New plastic tubing between the junction box and the frame is on the final shopping list.

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Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:06 pm quote
BTW, is it a 2 ports or 3ports cylinder?
bodgemaster
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:16 pm quote
Cylinder has 3 ports, 6 internal transfers, but the case lacks a 3rd port so only the 2 side ports are used here.
bodgemaster
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Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:39 am quote
The trap headset is cavernous ... practically a glovebox. Bet some people used it as a place to stash stuff. Lots of room to work. Hooking up the cables was a breeze compared to my other scoots.

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P200 VNB Li125
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Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:13 am quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
The trap headset is cavernous ... practically a glovebox. Bet some people used it as a place to stash stuff. Lots of room to work.
LOLZ... Settle down Spicoli.

It looks bomber man. So nice.
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Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:16 am quote
stash some extra cables in there
Molto Verboso
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Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:27 pm quote
Quote:
stash some extra cables in there
how things change.

SoCal - she sure is lookin good.
Mine is taking a beating on this trip.
Will be learning some of your body work skills in my future.
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:18 am quote
charlieman22 wrote:
Quote:
stash some extra cables in there
how things change.

SoCal - she sure is lookin good.
Mine is taking a beating on this trip.
Will be learning some of your body work skills in my future.
Ossessionato
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:23 am quote
Looking super clean, I can't believe the size of the opening in the headset. I see you put the tape around the speedo cable for the top nut, I learned the hardway.
bodgemaster
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:37 pm quote
rolling rolling rolling ...

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Ossessionato
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:51 pm quote
It just keeps getting better and better!

That front wheel & fork looks amazeballs
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:19 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
rolling rolling rolling ...
ride it like its stolen,
get that GL rollin',
with PRIDE!
Molto Verboso
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:11 pm quote
oh man.
mine keeps getting more scarred as yours keeps getting prettier.
front fork is a WOW.
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:09 pm quote
It all just looks so good. It's in the details done right.



Did you notice the trim and end cap in the reflection?
bodgemaster
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:55 am quote
Thanks mucho fellas, appreciate the positive feedback.

But ... weíve got a problem.

Tried putting the engine side panel on with the engine in, and thereís no clearance. Like zero. Zip. Nada.

The cowl presses up against the flywheel cover down at the vents.

The repop cowl appears to be too narrow. Iíll try to shoot a pic.

The rear wheel isnít on yet and thereís no load on the shock. Might that add a little clearance?

Right now itís a no go.

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Ossessionato
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:40 am quote
If you figure that where you're at right now is where the shock is going to extend to at some point, then you're out of luck.

Could you pull the motor up into the frame a little bit with a shorter shock spacer? Does it seem like it would have clearance if the motor was 10mm higher in the frame? And would you still have airbox clearance?

Someone with a GL that both has a cowl and isn't in storage due to moving will probably be more helpful than I am right now.
Ossessionato
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:25 pm quote
how proud is the flywheel cover of the flywheel? If you remove it, how much clearance do you have? not sure if it could be "shortened" to give the margin, but if it's that tight it might not work out so well once the rubber mounts break in....
bodgemaster
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:19 pm quote
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Could you pull the motor up into the frame a little bit with a shorter shock spacer? Does it seem like it would have clearance if the motor was 10mm higher in the frame? And would you still have airbox clearance?
A shorter shock spacer may work. Doesnít look like itíll cause the air box to interfere. Thereís plenty of clearance up top. Worth a try before bending metal.
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how proud is the flywheel cover of the flywheel? If you remove it, how much clearance do you have? not sure if it could be "shortened" to give the margin, but if it's that tight it might not work out so well once the rubber mounts break in....
No way to really measure the clearance between the flywheel and the flywheel cover. Looks like barely a mm or two... just enough not to scrape. Donít think thereís any space to be gained there.

The NGK cap on the centered plug also interferes in front. Going to have to use a flatter style plug cap. Wasnít expecting to have to shoehorn the engine in ... but weíll find a way to make it work.

GL brother poidog sent some pics of his with a P200 squeezed in for comparison. See below. He confirmed itís a tight fit.

Worst case it may take some massaging of the cowl.

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Ossessionato
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:43 pm quote
My idea was to skim the cover shorter but I donít think it can work.
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P200 VNB Li125
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:48 pm quote
+1 on maybe the wrong shock spacer...

It looks like the engine is sitting to low in that pic.
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:51 pm quote
Man!! ohh soo clooose.

The center-plug head on the Pinasco kit is possibly a contributor???Not sure.

Like you said though, definitely have to find a different plug cap.

Last 10% of the build takes about 90% of the allotted time it seems....
bodgemaster
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:55 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
+1 on maybe the wrong shock spacer...

It looks like the engine is sitting to low in that pic.
100% sure itís the original spacer
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P200 VNB Li125
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:06 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Birdsnest wrote:
+1 on maybe the wrong shock spacer...

It looks like the engine is sitting to low in that pic.
100% sure itís the original spacer
Hmm...
OG refurbished shock or aftermarket?

(Chances are I just have VNB brain and it looks low by comparison.)
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