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Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:28 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
How much flack am I going to get if I donít paint the GL ivory white?
About as much as if you DON'T wear goggles grinding w/ one a them mini shrapnel launchers. Wouldn't really be a GL then to some picky ppl. I had a hell of a time finding a half ass good spray match when I had one w/ mostly still good OG paint.

bottom half of toolbox rattlecanned w/ something called "almond"





But just get a flack jacket, a steel cup jockstrap and paint rainbows on it.
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:34 pm quote
Yeah figured.

Is there such a thing as updated ivory? Seems like kind of an oxymoron, no?

How bout a period correct ivory, but not necessarily Piaggio? The old Porsche 356 had a nice milky white.

Trying to break out of the box a little bit ...

Whoever did this one had a good eye.

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Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:48 pm quote
That gray with chrome highlight has you written all over it.
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:27 pm quote
Yeah itís well done ... itís a little newer look. I like the way the color is carried to the hub and wheels, like the original. Problem is GLs only came in ivory and they kinda lose some of their GL-ness in any other color.

Tough decision.
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:59 pm quote
Its the age old question.
If you go ivory - all those in the know will be impressed - but it will always be... well... ivory.
If you go custom - it will be a head turner - but you will have to suffer through some Vespa snootiness by those that want their GL's to be like original.

Tough crowd.
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:14 pm quote
I've seen way too many that were painted "ivory" that looked more like butter. gray would be better than that, could go with the silver used on the GS150, it would look good as well.

I think a lighter color is better on the GL, with the curves and trim a dark color makes it almost overkill.
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:37 pm quote
I was actually considering a light almost white silver
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:55 am quote
As someone that will probably take some ďshitĒ with the color Iím painting my T5, all Iím going to say, ITíS YOURS!!! You can do whatever the hell you want with it. You like pink, paint it pink...

I think that color is a personal choice and you donít need to always follow the ďrulesĒ...
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:18 am quote
+1
I will emit zero flack myself coz

1) it IS yours
2) the old paint is toast or we wouldn't be discussing
3) you do paint stuff beautifly
4) silver white will rock old school style I think
5) Greasy.... all bark, no bite
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:44 am quote
In fairness, I wore safety glasses when I had to go back and cut some more. But yes, agreed that that picture does give one question as to what I was thinking.

Silver might work socal, example looks good. But Ivory will pay back later when you sell. Of course, if you never intend to sell, do whatcha like, right?

Can you do Ivory with some accents that pop on wheels / trim / etc? Maybe too boring.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:47 am quote
BTW totally envious that you have a project to work on during this crap. My garage project is almost complete, and I'll be jonesing for something to do in lockdown soon.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:19 am quote
Hahaha! Paint question was 90% rhetorical ... I think we all agree anyone can do whatever they damn well please with their own scoots (and their own angle grinders, ya sissies). Greasyís only gonna punch ya in the sack if you bodge up a sweet original. Amirite, g?

As for this particular scoot, hereís how I see it:

While the paint scheme was one of the most distinctive and recognizable visual features of the GL (along with the trap light, tail light, cowls, and trim), sadly, a lot of the original stuff on this one was either pilfered or, like the paint, too far gone to be saved.

As much as Iíd like to go all Bar Italia on it, thatís not going to happen. I want to ride and enjoy it, not spend endless hours chasing down NOS parts and paint. Itíll be preserved and reassembled, just not necessarily the way it came from the factory. If the next owner wants to do it differently, he or she can strip it down and do it again.

So there you go. Stay safe everyone, keep busy the best you can. This will all pass soon enough.

p.s. John youíre welcome to come on down anytime and give me a hand. I went up to Oíside yesterday to see Malcolm and picked up a box full of parts (thx man). More people out on the freeway than I expected.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:45 am quote
Mike, the lines on the GS are so sweet, I don't think you could go wrong with any color you choose. But I'm no expert. Look at mine - I was heading for silver with a blue hint and finished up with Gray with a silver hint. The way you finish these scoots, I'm sure it will come out great.

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Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:50 am quote
For what its worth and not to agree or disagree but I like the idea of the white silver. I "had" mine painted an ivory colour before and well it just didn't pop.
I have had white cars and it seemed as soon as you had a crease showing a dark spot it would jump right out at you. I do like the look of the silverish Vespa especially on the wheels, I think when I get around to it I'll be doing my front fork and wheel hubs in a bit lighter silver.
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:57 pm quote
Quick shout out to charlieman22 ...

I realized halfway through engine build that I forgot to order a small end bearing. Aaak! Build came to screeching halt.

Casually mentioned dilemma to c-man, who rustles up a bearing, drops it into a FedEx overnight package, and braves the Great LA Lockdown to post it.

Arrived today and build continues.

Now thatís helping a brother out. Thx man!

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Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:30 pm quote
Hereís one for the collective brain trust that hasnít come up before, at least for me ...

Got a new Pinasco top end w/center plug head on the GL.

Went to fit the HT coil and the spark plug wire is a smidge too short due to the plug being centered.

Normally Iíd just get a longer plug wire, but on the Sprint V HT coil iím using the wire is molded into the body of the coil.

Anybody know of a way to splice/extend a spark plug wire?

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Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:34 pm quote
I would take a copper threaded rod of small size - and use it as a splice.
If you have an old cap - there might even be a part in there you could salvage to make the splice screw with.
I would then use a section of that old cap (soft rubber type) as a boot over the outside of the splice - and use shrink wrap over that to make it permanent.
Or shrink wrap x2.

OR

Buy a new coil

🙂
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Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:36 pm quote
Yes! I think I have some splice crimps and Iíll happily loan you my plug wire pliers. Iíll have a look see....

-g
SoCalGuy wrote:
Hereís one for the collective brain trust that hasnít come up before, at least for me ...

Got a new Pinasco top end w/center plug head on the GL.

Went to fit the HT coil and the spark plug wire is a smidge too short due to the plug being centered.

Normally Iíd just get a longer plug wire, but on the Sprint V HT coil iím using the wire is molded into the body of the coil.

Anybody know of a way to splice/extend a spark plug wire?
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Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:48 pm quote
And the brain trust delivers ... thx
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Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:06 pm quote
I have used one of these in the past (in copper). Adhesive lined heat shrink tube on the outside and done...

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Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:27 pm quote
http://dratv.com/coilwirsplic.html

I went this route

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Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:10 pm quote
A tidy solder job, a little ShoeGoo to cover in the gap, let it set up some so it stays put and heat shrink over the top, just done it and pic in the morning if you like.
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Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:51 am quote
The lump:

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Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:07 am quote
Nice looking engine!
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Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:16 am quote
Tasty!
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Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:16 am quote
kinda purty
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Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:26 am quote
purty, what is the black thing at the back of the shroud (further back than the plug cap)? were there 2 holes on the shroud?
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Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:31 am quote
Thx fellas, hope it goes as nice as it looks.

Thatís your loaner flywheel on there V oodoo, magnets cleaned and polished and fresh coat of hi-temp. Kicks out nice fat blue spark so fingers crossed.
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Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:32 am quote
Very nice Mr SoCal.
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Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:53 am quote
Thx swa.

John - Pinasco alu 177 head has centered plug, so second hole has to be cut in shroud. Pinasco thoughtfully supplies a plug for the original hole.

Thatís a generic 150 sprint/super shroud btw. GL has its own uber cool metal shroud, which sadly, was MIA. Iíll chase one down eventually ... this reasonable facsimile will have to do for now.

How it came to me:

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Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:25 pm quote
Looks great Mike. Is that cowl painted plastic? Fooled me!
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:16 am quote
Looks good from here.
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:35 am quote
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Looks great Mike. Is that cowl painted plastic? Fooled me!
Gotta be, w/ the molded on spark plug lead anchors.

I will stick my neck out and say it is brand spanky new and even possibly unpainted. I have seen a few in gray plastic.

PS Forgot to ask, did you fire it up?
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:10 pm quote
Havenít started it. The stand Iím using isnít built for starting, and I loaned my other stand out. This engine may have to wait til itís in the scoot. Pretty sure itíll fire up though. No leaks, big spark and lotsa compression.

Moving on to body, paint & suspension ...
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:37 pm quote
did you tell us the whole build spec on the engine? I see Pinasco 177, but what are you going to do for exhaust, for gearing, for clutch, etc? Running which SI carb?

I'm gonna have to say you skimped on the engine section of this thread
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:14 pm quote
Looks sweet! Was the flywheel painted? I like the way it looks.
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:07 pm quote
Ha ... sorry for not posting more details... needless to say, a lot going on the past few weeks.

The engine really is nothing special, new or exciting. Figured you guys have seen plenty of engines taken apart and put back together so I didnít take a lot of pictures.

Honestly ninety percent of the build so far has been pretty mundane stuff ... getting extremely crusty/frozen/rusted/stuck parts apart without destroying them, then cleaning, scraping, polishing, etc. Iím taking a little more time with this one than with the others ... not just slapping parts on. Poor thing sat out in some field for years. Itís not going to be going on any tours, just cruising around the neighborhood. Iím finding a lot of enjoyment in making even the littlest oxidized or corroded factory part from 1963 useful again. Happy to post more pics if youíre interested in the minutiae.

And since you asked John...

The engine is the stock GL cases, cleaned and lightly wire polished by me, by hand (no media), all studs replaced or threads re-cut, all bolt openings re-tapped, pad lengthened 2mm front and back, and inlet opened. New bearings and seals all around, top end is Pinasco 177 Magny Cours / Grandtourismo (w/centered plug head), bolted on, crank is a Sprint V cut back ~20į and moderately polished. Sprint V double yellow points ignition. Stock gearing, stock 22/67 primary, 7-spring factory clutch, I will play around with 20, 21 and 22T cogs to see what pulls best. I have both a 20/20 and a 24/24 carb... weíll see which one feels right. Havenít decided on exhaust yet. Polini box maybe?

And yes, I did paint the flywheel.

There you have it. Hope everyone is staying safe and busy.

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Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:36 pm quote
Quote:
Happy to post more pics if youíre interested in the minutiae.
Yes please.

Especially the rusty, reclaimed, crusty saves from 1963. I need all the inspiration I can get!
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:05 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
Yes please.

Especially the rusty, reclaimed, crusty saves from 1963. I need all the inspiration I can get!
You name it, I bet I either de-rusted it or destroyed it trying.
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:08 pm quote
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Greasyís only gonna punch ya in the sack if you bodge up a sweet original. Amirite, g?
HA! i don't know how i missed this, but yes. remember they're only original once. after that, have at it.
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As for this particular scoot, hereís how I see it:

While the paint scheme was one of the most distinctive and recognizable visual features of the GL (along with the trap light, tail light, cowls, and trim), sadly, a lot of the original stuff on this one was either pilfered or, like the paint, too far gone to be saved.

As much as Iíd like to go all Bar Italia on it, thatís not going to happen. I want to ride and enjoy it, not spend endless hours chasing down NOS parts and paint. Itíll be preserved and reassembled, just not necessarily the way it came from the factory. If the next owner wants to do it differently, he or she can strip it down and do it again.

So there you go. Stay safe everyone, keep busy the best you can. This will all pass soon enough.

p.s. John youíre welcome to come on down anytime and give me a hand. I went up to Oíside yesterday to see Malcolm and picked up a box full of parts (thx man). More people out on the freeway than I expected.
dude, i'm into that. it's your jam man. you're bringing one back so sing your song on this one. if you need a trap light or something goofy hit me up, i may just have it.

also, if you haven't figured out your frame thing let me know. i may have some uhhh parts for you in that department...

-g
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