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Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:04 pm quote
Fixed, damn spell check

This is just how every Zombie move/show starts. Good Luck everyone.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:18 pm quote
Could be the cull the human species needs.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:25 pm quote
My area's walmart and tarjay have completely sold out of hand sanitizer and disinfectant wipes. Many of yous not in coastal cities probably can't relate, but the fear is real. Local restaurants have started scanning patrons for high fever (albeit completely pointless) and Stanford docs have had to start youtube channels to prevent mass hysteria.

tl;dr This is not funny.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:52 pm quote
tonyc wrote:
tl;dr This is not funny.
Funny? I think it is hilarious. I believe i am at more geographic risk than most on here. None of my mates have run into hiding as far as I know.

Here they are sold out of hand sanitizer and PM 2.5 masks, as if the masks will do anything. If it gets really bad i will have to start sanitizing with cheap local rum.

Now the funny bit is the level of paranoia they some will descend into, if descend is the right expression. Although I suppose if one turns to hand sanitizer under certain conditions the way one would wear a seat belt in a car or a crash helmet when riding, then that is understandable.

The worst will be the draconian measures like limiting movement of people which will effect day to day life and livelihoods of the individual.

PS. I can't abide those stupid zombie movies.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:54 pm quote
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Could be the cull the human species needs.
As long as I'm not a cullee!
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:27 pm quote
As someone who survived a MRSA infection that went down to the bones of my spine...donít rely on hand sanitizer without regular soap-and-water washing. Itís not meant to be a standalone thing, even though people use it as such. It isnít magic. Thatís a part of the problem. Treat it as the intermittent stopgap that it was designed to be and couple it with actual washing.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:32 pm quote
And don't pick your nose!

(that comment is more relevant than immediately obvious)
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:35 pm quote
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As someone who survived a MRSA infection that went down to the bones of my spine...donít rely on hand sanitizer without regular soap-and-water washing. Itís not meant to be a standalone thing, even though people use it as such. It isnít magic. Thatís a part of the problem. Treat it as the intermittent stopgap that it was designed to be and couple it with actual washing.
+1. Hand sanitizer for some reason had this myth that it does something magical. In fact, over usage of hand sanitizer actually opens you up to being more susceptible to getting sick because it removes some beneficial bacterias. Then there is the problem of bacterias and viruses becoming super resistant to drugs and chemicals meant to remove them, from over usage, which is way worse than the original.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:44 pm quote
"Dettox society" has killed more than they cured...
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:56 pm quote
This afternoon I was in a meeting organising a large public event for early March. Wonder how thatís going to go.

Sanitisers are maybe better than nothing, not as good as soap and water. Maybe worse than nothing if you think your hands are clean afterwards.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/01/purells-unproven-disease-fighting-claims-get-sanitized-after-fda-warning/
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:05 pm quote
waspmike wrote:
PS. I can't abide those stupid zombie movies.
They're not stupid movies, they are training videos for when it happens.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:05 pm quote
The first case in Finland was just diagnosed. A turist flying from Wuhan, China to Rovaniemi, Finland. The patient is a normal, healthy person, now just needs to heal in an isolated patient care area in the hospital before being allowed to continue the trip.

Yeah, the face mask does not help a healthy person and is a really poor solution for the sick too.

Corona virus is of a type, quite typical actually for a virus, that does not mind about desinfection products. So proper hand washing with a normal soap is the best way to keep the viruses off your hands.

Viruses can't 'fly' , so they'll get to you only through some other media. Handshaking, sneeze drops, various surfaces that are touched frequently.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:00 pm quote
London was identified as the European city most at risk but there are no cases yet. With 2 million users of the tube per day it could spread pretty quickly.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:40 am quote
Two cases ascertained yesterday in Rome, Chinese tourists who arrived ten days ago ...
Sales of a well-known beer brand have declined.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:32 am quote
I'm sitting on my bike typing this before heading up to my office. I'm one block or so from one of the biggest Chinatowns in NA and live about a 10 minute walk from it. I'm not worried at all and I don't get a sense of panic with others I interact with. Yeah we've got the hype here too and confirmed cases but I'm not worried about it. I made it through the SARS panic and will this. The press loves a good story.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:39 am quote
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I'm sitting on my bike typing this before heading up to my office. I'm one block or so from one of the biggest Chinatowns in NA and live about a 10 minute walk from it. I'm not worried at all and I don't get a sense of panic with others I interact with. Yeah we've got the hype here too and confirmed cases but I'm not worried about it. I made it through the SARS panic and will this. The press loves a good story.
... and what can you do ..? You stay, you do everything normally and wait, there is nothing else to do ...
The worrying thing is the repercussions on the world economy now that we are all interconnected, a nice additional mess.
Right now that i had retired, but i wonder ... and the goods that travel all over the world and particularly those that arrive from China (including motorcycles) will not be dangerous?
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:05 am quote
RRider wrote:
The first case in Finland was just diagnosed. A turist flying from Wuhan, China to Rovaniemi, Finland. The patient is a normal, healthy person, now just needs to heal in an isolated patient care area in the hospital before being allowed to continue the trip.

Yeah, the face mask does not help a healthy person and is a really poor solution for the sick too.

Corona virus is of a type, quite typical actually for a virus, that does not mind about desinfection products. So proper hand washing with a normal soap is the best way to keep the viruses off your hands.

Viruses can't 'fly' , so they'll get to you only through some other media. Handshaking, sneeze drops, various surfaces that are touched frequently.
Touching a finger print reader at every door I go through at work
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:08 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
I'm sitting on my bike typing this before heading up to my office. I'm one block or so from one of the biggest Chinatowns in NA and live about a 10 minute walk from it. I'm not worried at all and I don't get a sense of panic with others I interact with. Yeah we've got the hype here too and confirmed cases but I'm not worried about it. I made it through the SARS panic and will this. The press loves a good story.
That what they say at the beginning of the Zombie movies and TV shows hehehe
Watched "I am Legion" last night.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:22 am quote
If you are freaking out about corona virus but you didn't get a flu shot, you've got it backwards. Corona virus has killed 132 people so far and all in China with 6000 world wide. Most of the deaths, like with the annual flu, were elderly or people with complicating health problems.

By comparison this year's flu season has killed 8,200 people with 15 million cases and that is just in the US.

I'm not saying Corona does not warrant a strong public-health response but a lot of deaths could be prevented since many people that get the annual flu did not get a flu shot.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:56 am quote
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If you are freaking out about corona virus but you didn't get a flu shot, you've got it backwards. Corona virus has killed 132 people so far and all in China with 6000 world wide. Most of the deaths, like with the annual flu, were elderly or people with complicating health problems.

By comparison this year's flu season has killed 8,200 people with 15 million cases and that is just in the US.

I'm not saying Corona does not warrant a strong public-health response but a lot of deaths could be prevented since many people that get the annual flu did not get a flu shot.
You are most likely right. But I feel safer knowing I have been watching The Walking Dead training video for 10 seasons.
I know how to kill a Zombie.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:16 am quote
I've been getting the flu vaccine every year for twenty years ... and two years ago I got the vaccine for pneumonia, in Italy for people with congenital pathologies (me) and above 60 years of age the vaccines are administered free.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:18 pm quote
The thing that scares me is the number of people who have recovered is about the same as the number who have died. Currently both just over 200.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:23 pm quote
Contagion movie (2011) came to mind when I first heard about the virus and the probability that it came from bats...
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:26 pm quote
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Contagion movie (2011) came to mind when I first heard about the virus and the probability that it came from bats...
Haven't watched that one, adding to my list.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:29 pm quote
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Haven't watched that one, adding to my list.
You'll be surprised. It's like they predicted it...
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:44 pm quote
stickyfrog wrote:
If you are freaking out about corona virus but you didn't get a flu shot, you've got it backwards. Corona virus has killed 132 people so far and all in China with 6000 world wide. Most of the deaths, like with the annual flu, were elderly or people with complicating health problems.

By comparison this year's flu season has killed 8,200 people with 15 million cases and that is just in the US.

I'm not saying Corona does not warrant a strong public-health response but a lot of deaths could be prevented since many people that get the annual flu did not get a flu shot.
Consider - annually there are ~4.5 million people seriously injured in the US alone in automobile incidents, with more than 40,000 deaths.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:30 pm quote
If you are interested in infectious diseases, I highly recommend this book.

https://www.amazon.com/Coming-Plague-Emerging-Diseases-Balance-ebook/dp/B005FGR6RO
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:22 pm quote
While weíre recommending movies and since the flu was mentioned...Iím quite fond of the tv show ReGenesis. Canadian production, 4 seasons that started in 2004. Thereís a season-long story arc involving the Spanish Flu. Itís one of my favorites.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:37 am quote
First it was AIDS that was going to kill everyone. Then it was necrotizing fasciitis. Them MRSA. Now this.

BTW, this years flu vaccine started out at 60% effectiveness. Itís now 20%.
A family member, RN, her hospital requires all to get the flu shot every year. This year, her and her entire department contracted the flu.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:16 am quote
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First it was AIDS that was going to kill everyone. Then it was necrotizing fasciitis. Them MRSA. Now this.

BTW, this years flu vaccine started out at 60% effectiveness. Itís now 20%.
A family member, RN, her hospital requires all to get the flu shot every year. This year, her and her entire department contracted the flu.
AIDS killed a helluva lot of people and wiped out vast majorities of a whole generation in several minorities. A large part of that was because of how it was treated...and by that I mean ignored. I, for one, prefer a little overly zealous caution instead of dismissive ignorance.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:11 am quote
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If you are interested in infectious diseases, I highly recommend this book.
Or read The Hot Zone by Richard Prestion. It will scare you to death.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:35 am quote
I think we are on the brink of mass hysteria. Meanwhile I'll just distract myself from the subject matter with this:

s-l400.jpg

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Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:26 am quote
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prefer a little overly zealous caution instead of dismissive ignorance
Concur!

This man wearing swimming goggles seems to "get it" (mask out of stock).



These . . not so much?



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Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:54 pm quote
I spent a good part of my late career at Penn State working with the Food Science Department on sanitation education. Handwashing is a big deal and one of the keystone elements of food safety and the reduction of disease transmission.

One thing I learned from the research they did was that they discouraged frequent use of hand sanitizers. It is not as effective as soap and water for a wide range of reasons I won't go into here. Good handwashing takes time. The sanitizer industry makes people think a squirt and wipe will do the trick. It doesn't.

If you want details this flyer on handwashing will provide some.file:///Users/stevewilliams/Downloads/handwashing-your-best-defense-against-illness.pdf

What's this have to do with riding a Vespa? I guess if I'm sick or dead I can't ride. I'll go and wash my hands again...
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:46 pm quote
jimc wrote:
stickyfrog wrote:
If you are freaking out about corona virus but you didn't get a flu shot, you've got it backwards. Corona virus has killed 132 people so far and all in China with 6000 world wide. Most of the deaths, like with the annual flu, were elderly or people with complicating health problems.

By comparison this year's flu season has killed 8,200 people with 15 million cases and that is just in the US.

I'm not saying Corona does not warrant a strong public-health response but a lot of deaths could be prevented since many people that get the annual flu did not get a flu shot.
Consider - annually there are ~4.5 million people seriously injured in the US alone in automobile incidents, with more than 40,000 deaths.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:22 pm quote
https://www.ndemiccreations.com/en/22-plague-inc

if you want a game which you can learn a little while battle pandemic level contagious diseases..
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:16 pm quote
froggieposition wrote:
https://www.ndemiccreations.com/en/22-plague-inc

if you want a game which you can learn a little while battle pandemic level contagious diseases..
There goes whatís left of the weekend.
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:19 am quote
Max6200 wrote:
I think we are on the brink of mass hysteria. Meanwhile I'll just distract myself from the subject matter with this:
That image should go viral.
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