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Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:15 am quote
Max6200 wrote:
I am just going to voluntarily eject myself from this thread.
I thought you relinquished the 6200 and now are 6202 or something.

I believe the technical term for what you want to do is flouncing?
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:55 am quote
Attila wrote:
... even only 20% is better than nothing ...
Iím not disputing that, just saying people shouldnít automatically think theyíre bulletproof because they received the flu shot.
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:37 pm quote
Interesting stat this morning highlights what a big deal this is.

6% of the worlds population is in lockdown over this.
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:50 pm quote
I also recommend:

https://www.amazon.com/Plague-Fire-James-Leasor/dp/1908291222
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:58 pm quote
waspmike wrote:
Max6200 wrote:
I am just going to voluntarily eject myself from this thread.
I thought you relinquished the 6200 and now are 6202 or something.

I believe the technical term for what you want to do is flouncing?
Welcome home. 02 has been obliterated.
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Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:09 pm quote
Scooter rider in Wuhan...

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Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:11 am quote
https://www.lastampa.it/cronaca/2020/02/21/news/coronavirus-primo-contagio-in-lombardia-un-38enne-ricoverato-in-terapia-intensiva-a-codogno-1.38497470

Coronavirus, 6 infected in Lombardy: a 38 year old serious. Isolation for 250. Mandatory quarantine for those arriving from China
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:01 am quote
Other cases, 16 in all so far ....
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:37 am quote
From what I hear China is not being honest on the amount of people and areas effected and could cause a global recession. Lets hope these are rumors.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:58 pm quote
Iím at a conference in Sydney. As well as the usual pads and pens there are corporate branded bottles of sanitizer on the tables.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:45 pm quote
Contagion on the rise, isolated areas with thousands of inhabitants, first victim ...
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:46 am quote
I am retired from working in the public health sector. South Africa has a high rate of TB. Most persons who are given the inoculation in high school will show a reaction to it. This indicates that they hae already been exposed to the infection, but are due to a healthy immune system are not suffering form the disease.
With the increase in MDR and XDR stains, there was a lot of debate at management level about policies and programs to prevent transmission of airborne droplets in areas where undiagnosed patients congregate - mostly the waiting areas of clinics and hospitals. As an infrastructure person, I was asked for solutions involving air filters, UV irradiation, special ventilation systems etc.

Instead I suggested that the problem be addressed at the source - preventing TB infected sputum from going airborne by giving anyone with a cough an ordinary theatre mask. These masks are to prevent surgeons and nurses from spraying saliva into open wounds, etc. This is a cost-effective method of preventing saliva from coughs and sneezes from exiting the mouth with enough velocity to carry to the next person, or to infect the hand covering the mouth.

My idea was rejected out of hand because it would 'stigmatise the sick patient as a TB carrier'. I countered with a revised proposal to give every person entering the health facility a mask, even having them printed with a smiley face and the words "I am fighting against TB". I proposed letting people wear them on buses, trains and other mass public transport (as they do in China etc) to carry the message and prevent infection. The idea was rejected and deemed "impractical."

So there is a free idea for a medical company with a social awareness program budget to print their name on each mask and so sponsor this concept of inexpensive masks to prevent persons with colds, flu and other respiratory illnesses from spewing their germs onto people and surfaces where the infection is transmitted.

BTW, most colds and flu are contracted from sick persons sneezing into their hands and then shaking hands with others, who then infect themselves by touching eyes, noses etc where the germs enter through mucous membranes.

So... don't shake hands with others - especially those with coughs.
A simple hug or fist-bump is far less risky.
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:06 am quote
Itís a shame they rejected your recommendation to have everyone with a cough put on a mask. Just recently, at the start of flu season but before the corona virus hit, my local walk-in urgent care facility had a sign on a stand asking everyone who enters that if they have a cough to please put on a mask. Masks were placed next to the sign. I thought that was a great idea and in everyoneís best interest.

Fudmucker wrote:
I am retired from working in the public health sector. South Africa has a high rate of TB. Most persons who are given the inoculation in high school will show a reaction to it. This indicates that they hae already been exposed to the infection, but are due to a healthy immune system are not suffering form the disease.
With the increase in MDR and XDR stains, there was a lot of debate at management level about policies and programs to prevent transmission of airborne droplets in areas where undiagnosed patients congregate - mostly the waiting areas of clinics and hospitals. As an infrastructure person, I was asked for solutions involving air filters, UV irradiation, special ventilation systems etc.

Instead I suggested that the problem be addressed at the source - preventing TB infected sputum from going airborne by giving anyone with a cough an ordinary theatre mask. These masks are to prevent surgeons and nurses from spraying saliva into open wounds, etc. This is a cost-effective method of preventing saliva from coughs and sneezes from exiting the mouth with enough velocity to carry to the next person, or to infect the hand covering the mouth.

My idea was rejected out of hand because it would 'stigmatise the sick patient as a TB carrier'. I countered with a revised proposal to give every person entering the health facility a mask, even having them printed with a smiley face and the words "I am fighting against TB". I proposed letting people wear them on buses, trains and other mass public transport (as they do in China etc) to carry the message and prevent infection. The idea was rejected and deemed "impractical."

So there is a free idea for a medical company with a social awareness program budget to print their name on each mask and so sponsor this concept of inexpensive masks to prevent persons with colds, flu and other respiratory illnesses from spewing their germs onto people and surfaces where the infection is transmitted.

BTW, most colds and flu are contracted from sick persons sneezing into their hands and then shaking hands with others, who then infect themselves by touching eyes, noses etc where the germs enter through mucous membranes.

So... don't shake hands with others - especially those with coughs.
A simple hug or fist-bump is far less risky.
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:18 am quote
Scooters being utilized in South Korea to spray disinfectant . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42bZog8Ftcc

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Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:39 am quote
Italy could close its borders ... extraordinary measures are coming.
I will keep you informed.
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:37 pm quote
Interesting N95 mask USA availability discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdjnWNrApz4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEFxAyb1xw8



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Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:33 am quote
Attila wrote:
http://who.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/c88e37cfc43b4ed3baf977d77e4a0667
Wow, Italy is for sure catching up

I have once been in a hospital somewhere near Prato (in the Florence area). I could not help noticing, that in addition to signs with the text in Italian language, there were also parallel signs in Chinese language. I was told this was because of the very large population of people moved from China, who don't speak Italian well.

So I'll guess there must be quite a lot of air traffic between China and Northern Italy in normal circumstancies, as people have friends and relatives?
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:13 am quote
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Attila wrote:
http://who.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/c88e37cfc43b4ed3baf977d77e4a0667
Wow, Italy is for sure catching up

I have once been in a hospital somewhere near Prato (in the Florence area). I could not help noticing, that in addition to signs with the text in Italian language, there were also parallel signs in Chinese language. I was told this was because of the very large population of people moved from China, who don't speak Italian well.

So I'll guess there must be quite a lot of air traffic between China and Northern Italy in normal circumstancies, as people have friends and relatives?
15,000 and more only in Tuscany ... do you seem few for such a small area?
I don't want to point the finger as for an ethnic cleansing but it is clear that the virus came from China and chinese citizens, the problem is that many are irregular and unreported immigrants ... a nice mess!
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:25 am quote
Attila wrote:
RRider wrote:
Attila wrote:
http://who.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/c88e37cfc43b4ed3baf977d77e4a0667
Wow, Italy is for sure catching up

I have once been in a hospital somewhere near Prato (in the Florence area). I could not help noticing, that in addition to signs with the text in Italian language, there were also parallel signs in Chinese language. I was told this was because of the very large population of people moved from China, who don't speak Italian well.

So I'll guess there must be quite a lot of air traffic between China and Northern Italy in normal circumstancies, as people have friends and relatives?
15,000 and more only in Tuscany ... do you seem few for such a small area?
I don't want to point the finger as for an ethnic cleansing but it is clear that the virus came from China and chinese citizens, the problem is that many are irregular and unreported immigrants ... a nice mess!
Ethnic cleansing? This language is troubling.
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:30 am quote
Belkwinith wrote:
Attila wrote:
RRider wrote:
Attila wrote:
http://who.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/c88e37cfc43b4ed3baf977d77e4a0667
Wow, Italy is for sure catching up

I have once been in a hospital somewhere near Prato (in the Florence area). I could not help noticing, that in addition to signs with the text in Italian language, there were also parallel signs in Chinese language. I was told this was because of the very large population of people moved from China, who don't speak Italian well.

So I'll guess there must be quite a lot of air traffic between China and Northern Italy in normal circumstancies, as people have friends and relatives?
15,000 and more only in Tuscany ... do you seem few for such a small area?
I don't want to point the finger as for an ethnic cleansing but it is clear that the virus came from China and chinese citizens, the problem is that many are irregular and unreported immigrants ... a nice mess!
Ethnic cleansing? This language is troubling.
Yes Martha ... here in Italy and neighboring countries for some time when we talk about populations and religious groups we have to specify well that it is not a racist discourse, we risk being misunderstood; unfortunately there are those who exploit some situations ... not me, I want to specify it.
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:43 am quote
RRider wrote:
Attila wrote:
http://who.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/c88e37cfc43b4ed3baf977d77e4a0667
Wow, Italy is for sure catching up

I have once been in a hospital somewhere near Prato (in the Florence area). I could not help noticing, that in addition to signs with the text in Italian language, there were also parallel signs in Chinese language. I was told this was because of the very large population of people moved from China, who don't speak Italian well.

So I'll guess there must be quite a lot of air traffic between China and Northern Italy in normal circumstancies, as people have friends and relatives?
A disaster for spring and summer tourism ... I foresee there will be special offers with medical check for those arriving from outside Italy, now at the airport as you arrive you will measure your fever.
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:33 am quote
woah, woah, woah there super chief. best be pumping the brakes on the whole uhhh ďethnic cleansingĒ vocabulary.

totally and HIGHLY inappropriate language irregardless of intent or what point you may be trying to make.

Iíd suggest you run shit like that back thru google translate with different phrasing before posting again.

Iíll tell you now, thatís your one free pass from me. Language barrier is not an excuse in this instance.

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Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:40 am quote
Max6200 wrote:
I am just going to voluntarily eject myself from this thread.
Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:42 am
Max6200 has been ejected from this topic
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:47 am quote
I am sorry for the incorrect translation and the use of an incorrect term ... I did not know, it will never be repeated ...
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:15 am quote
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I am sorry for the incorrect translation and the use of an incorrect term ... I did not know, it will never be repeated ...
I for one can easily forgive. I have not known you to be one to intentionally offend, and you are very clear about your language preference. In my case, I appreciate anyone who works to communicate in English, as my French is old and dusty and I know no other languages. That particular term is used for Holocaust level evil, so can be very touchy (sort of like if someone extends their right arm straight out and up, fingers extended...). Even a term like segregation can be interpreted as very sensitive, in certain contexts.

To Greasy, intentions well understood, but I can only say it would be difficult for one to know when to Google certain terms.
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:26 am quote
In this instance, intentions not withstanding, thatís some straight bullshittery.

If you donít know what youíre communicating then sometimes itís better to keep it to yourself.

Ignorance nor misunderstanding of language is no excuse on this one.

Period. End of.

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Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:14 am quote
No shit, that term carries some very, very bad connotations and is something sadly not just restricted to a certain period in the 1940's. It's still a problem in some parts of the world and at the moment the Chinese are being unfairly treated in places I'd like to think should know better . It's exactly how hatred is bred and things can spin out of control quickly. China is a BIG country with a LOT of people in often cramped conditions so diseases can and do occasionally spread quickly there. Believe me I'm no bleeding heart left wing liberal but I do see common sense and that no race should be treated as being different.

Regardless this will get under control and for the most part countries are doing the right thing. Canada may be a little strict with the quarantines but I do understand the reasoning behind it. Doesn't matter who or what you are if you are coming from certain areas that are considered at risk you are quarantined.
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:30 am quote
Irony
Without wanting appear that I'm encountering any amount of schadenfreude but this English isn't my first language excuse is running a bit thin.

I think it's been fallen back on a bit too often.

Just sayin.

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Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:35 am quote
Bill Dog wrote:
Without wanting appear that I'm encountering any amount of schadenfreude but this English isn't my first language excuse is running a bit thin.

I think it's been fallen back on a bit too often.

Just sayin.

Bill x
Asked and answered. No need to pile on here.

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Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:36 am quote
Gasp
No Biggy.

Can I have my avatar back ?

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Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:38 am quote
Re: Irony
Bill Dog wrote:
Without wanting appear that I'm encountering any amount of schadenfreude but this English isn't my first language excuse is running a bit thin.

I think it's been fallen back on a bit too often.

Just sayin.

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... thanks Bill, i missed you. ...If the moderator can delete my last comments I would be grateful ... so the topic resumes its natural course.

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Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:39 am quote
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No Biggy.

Can I have my avatar back ?

Bill x
Not the time nor the place.

Let the community conversation carry on unabated.

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Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:04 pm quote
Experts here are saying it has the hallmarks of a pandemic.

Worst case is it will arrive in the vulnerable pacific islands in winter. Will be devastating to them.
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