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Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:12 am quote
@Fudmucker, Belgium looks bad in the statistics because of the way they recorded the data, listing deaths as suspected covid together with confirmed deaths due to covid. This was especially relevant for early in the pandemic when it ripped through nursing homes, before most nations had got to grips with anything like mass testing, which would lead to under-reporting of the true number of covid fatalities.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-belgium-death-toll-lockdown-trump-who-uk-spain-italy-a9494186.html
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:24 am quote
So far this week we've had two positive cases at our main shop.

My boss was telling me yesterday that he observed two press operators on the security camera talking with each other, neither was masked. As he got up from his desk and was putting his mask on, one of the press operators entered his office to inform him that he just got a call to quarantine himself for two weeks due to exposure to someone who tested positive. My boss said he asked why he was talking to the other press operator while unmasked if he knew he'd been exposed. His response? "Oh, yeah, I forgot."

Others in the main shop are also not as vigilant about social distancing or masking up when necessary. One person who tested positive said that he'd car pooled with another coworker, so that coworker should probably be tested/quarantine, too.

Our office manager is paranoid about it. She has acrylic shields around her desk, washes her hands frequently, wears a mask all the time, and sanitizes everything whenever she can, yet she still doesn't feel safe. I recommended investing in some clear shower curtains to hang around her desk. She's considering it.

I still feel safe at my work site. I work in a different location from the main shop. It is nearly impossible for people to get closer than 8' from me, and there are acrylic shields in place at that point, as well as everyone being required to be masked. I'm just glad I don't work in the main shop.
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:05 pm quote
Be A Lert
We're at level 1 nationwide which means...

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Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:48 am quote




We have reached the point where the protective mask has become an object of clothing and therefore also multicolored or with logos.
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Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:32 am quote
Well we're in a "modified" stage 2 as of today. TBH I think they should have done more and shutdown indoor malls as well but at least this is something. Thanksgiving weekend here, hopefully we don't get another raise in cases due to large gatherings.

https://www.cp24.com/news/toronto-peel-and-ottawa-moved-into-modified-stage-2-as-ford-admits-that-all-trends-are-going-in-the-wrong-direction-1.5139205

The province is shutting down gyms, movie theatres, and indoor dining at restaurants in Toronto, Ottawa, and Peel Region for the next 28 days, essentially moving the three hard-hit regions into a modified Stage 2.
The new public health restrictions, which were announced by the province on Monday afternoon, come into effect in the three regions on Saturday at 12:01 a.m. and will be in place for 28 days.
In an effort to slow the spread of the virus in the three areas, which have seen a massive surge in new infections over the past two weeks, the province is also closing casinos, bingo halls and conference and convention centres.
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Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:39 pm quote
I was encouraged yesterday when I went through a shopping center that includes a large Safeway, Home Depot and Best Buy and another 2 dozen small businesses. Everyone, I mean EVERYONE including children, were masked up. While it is a sad state of affairs, it was comforting to see my community stepping up.

Today, I went to a roofing place to get a gutter part. All orders were taken outside. No one was allowed into the store. I was appreciative when the gruff guy behind the counter reminded me to put my mask on. Me, "Thanks Man." Him, "You should know better by now". Me, "I agree and thanks again for the reminder."

Best
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Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:54 pm quote
Atillia, can we do a group purchase? Where to order lt?
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Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:19 pm quote
Miguel wrote:
I was encouraged yesterday when I went through a shopping center that includes a large Safeway, Home Depot and Best Buy and another 2 dozen small businesses. Everyone, I mean EVERYONE including children, were masked up. While it is a sad state of affairs, it was comforting to see my community stepping up.

Today, I went to a roofing place to get a gutter part. All orders were taken outside. No one was allowed into the store. I was appreciative when the gruff guy behind the counter reminded me to put my mask on. Me, "Thanks Man." Him, "You should know better by now". Me, "I agree and thanks again for the reminder."

Best
Miguel
Good story and thanks for sharing. Up north the "second wave" seems like a given as we head indoors and some people ignore the warnings. Down south where you do not have that issue nearly as much hopefully it can be avoided. 2021 will not have a fun beginning but hopefully by this time next year this is just a bad memory and lessons are learned.
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Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:12 pm quote
And then there is this disturbing news: Scientists Confirm Nevada Man Was Infected Twice With Coronavirus

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No Excuses: Wash your hands, wear a mask and physically distance
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:04 am quote
Pretty much back to normal in Florida. Some people still wear masks though it is getting less and less. Restaurants are open and have been for awhile. Most everyone is physically back to work. Schools are open. Unemployment rate has dropped to below 5%.

The original intent of lockdowns was to flatten the curve and allow countries to ramp up their resources. It was not meant to go on indefinitely to keep people from getting covid which is a very survivable virus. Even the WHO agrees that lockdowns should not be used as a primary means of control. I am glad I live in a state that recognized this from the beginning. At least for another week anyway. Moving to Indiana next week.

“We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” Dr. David Nabarro told The Spectator’s Andrew Neil in an interview that aired Thursday."

"Nabarro cited the unintended consequence of economic destruction, including poverty and food shortages in some areas of the world, as a reason for governments to make every effort to avoid effectively locking people in their homes whenever possible."

“The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it,” he said."

https://www.westernjournal.com/official-lockdowns-not-primary-strategy-control-covid/
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:36 am quote
stickyfrog wrote:
Pretty much back to normal in Florida. Some people still wear masks though it is getting less and less. Restaurants are open and have been for awhile. Most everyone is physically back to work. Schools are open. Unemployment rate has dropped to below 5%.

The original intent of lockdowns was to flatten the curve and allow countries to ramp up their resources. It was not meant to go on indefinitely to keep people from getting covid which is a very survivable virus. Even the WHO agrees that lockdowns should not be used as a primary means of control. I am glad I live in a state that recognized this from the beginning. At least for another week anyway. Moving to Indiana next week.

“We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” Dr. David Nabarro told The Spectator’s Andrew Neil in an interview that aired Thursday."

"Nabarro cited the unintended consequence of economic destruction, including poverty and food shortages in some areas of the world, as a reason for governments to make every effort to avoid effectively locking people in their homes whenever possible."

“The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it,” he said."

https://www.westernjournal.com/official-lockdowns-not-primary-strategy-control-covid/
This thought process works as long as people wear masks and abide by distancing rules... oh wait....

People can't just keep carrying on like nothing is going on, head in the sand, pretend it away.

People can't also be in lockdown constantly. Except the main problem is, people come out of lockdown, or act like one never happened, not wearing masks, brushing this off as survivable etc. Sure for most that are healthy, younger, etc, it is survivable, but that is not the case with the majority of obese, older, compromised, bad health, smokers, vapers, drinkers, the list goes on and on. The problem is with those people who think "no big deal" do what they want, and endanger, harm or kill others by their negligence. Personal freedoms are great until they harm or kill others.

Hypothetical example: I get the virus, symptomless, go to the grocery store no mask, and other errands, infect 100 others. With a mortality rate of 3%, even if it is 1%, that is 1-3 people dead because I didnt feel like wearing a mask because of mah freedums. This also does not take into account the numerous cases of other lingering ailments from this virus. My classmate has lasting damage to her GI tract with post covid IBS. She is healthy, fit, young. So even if people don't die, they will have issues the rest of their lives. Permanent lung damage and diminished lung function, neurological issues, GI issues, etc.

It is incredibly selfish for people to not wear a mask and carry on like, "nothin gonna happen to me". That may be the case and most likely, but society is not just about the individual, its responsibilities to all as a whole. To care for and protect those who have no choice but to put themselves at risk by doing simple things like grocery shopping.

I refuse to go out to restaurants or other public venues because of that mentality. I don't trust others at all and I know they do not have my health and wellbeing in mind when balking at rules and requirements about masks.

This thing will go on for another year or more. This is the long haul and people need to act like it.
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:02 am quote
froggieposition wrote:
stickyfrog wrote:
Pretty much back to normal in Florida. Some people still wear masks though it is getting less and less. Restaurants are open and have been for awhile. Most everyone is physically back to work. Schools are open. Unemployment rate has dropped to below 5%.

The original intent of lockdowns was to flatten the curve and allow countries to ramp up their resources. It was not meant to go on indefinitely to keep people from getting covid which is a very survivable virus. Even the WHO agrees that lockdowns should not be used as a primary means of control. I am glad I live in a state that recognized this from the beginning. At least for another week anyway. Moving to Indiana next week.

“We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” Dr. David Nabarro told The Spectator’s Andrew Neil in an interview that aired Thursday."

"Nabarro cited the unintended consequence of economic destruction, including poverty and food shortages in some areas of the world, as a reason for governments to make every effort to avoid effectively locking people in their homes whenever possible."

“The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it,” he said."

https://www.westernjournal.com/official-lockdowns-not-primary-strategy-control-covid/
This thought process works as long as people wear masks and abide by distancing rules... oh wait....

People can't just keep carrying on like nothing is going on, head in the sand, pretend it away.

People can't also be in lockdown constantly. Except the main problem is, people come out of lockdown, or act like one never happened, not wearing masks, brushing this off as survivable etc. Sure for most that are healthy, younger, etc, it is survivable, but that is not the case with the majority of obese, older, compromised, bad health, smokers, vapers, drinkers, the list goes on and on. The problem is with those people who think "no big deal" do what they want, and endanger, harm or kill others by their negligence. Personal freedoms are great until they harm or kill others.

Hypothetical example: I get the virus, symptomless, go to the grocery store no mask, and other errands, infect 100 others. With a mortality rate of 3%, even if it is 1%, that is 1-3 people dead because I didnt feel like wearing a mask because of mah freedums. This also does not take into account the numerous cases of other lingering ailments from this virus. My classmate has lasting damage to her GI tract with post covid IBS. She is healthy, fit, young. So even if people don't die, they will have issues the rest of their lives. Permanent lung damage and diminished lung function, neurological issues, GI issues, etc.

It is incredibly selfish for people to not wear a mask and carry on like, "nothin gonna happen to me". That may be the case and most likely, but society is not just about the individual, its responsibilities to all as a whole. To care for and protect those who have no choice but to put themselves at risk by doing simple things like grocery shopping.

I refuse to go out to restaurants or other public venues because of that mentality. I don't trust others at all and I know they do not have my health and wellbeing in mind when balking at rules and requirements about masks.

This thing will go on for another year or more. This is the long haul and people need to act like it.
While I personally advocate wearing masks, washing hands and physical distancing whether or not people do it has little to do with the purpose of a lockdown. The purpose, as I stated, was to slow the rate of infection for a period of time to give governments and healthcare facilities time to get resources ramped up in order to be able the treat the inevitable continuing infections and exposures that cannot be stopped. Only slowed for short periods.

Governments that use extended lockdowns as a primary means of control are doing immeasurable damage to people in other areas that we may not know the full effects of for years. This is why I think the WHO made the statement they did. Unintended consequences of good intentions are and will be worse than consequences of the original problem. In this case anyway.
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:37 pm quote
Hmmn.

The point here is that unless the government decides to implement requirements for PPE, test/trace/supported isolation, they shouldn't bother with lockdowns.

That sort of makes sense, in that lockdowns are meant to buy time to establish those contagion control procedures and systems rather than stop the pandemic entirely.

It's also an excuse for governments that are unwilling to establish those contagion control procedures at all.
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:09 pm quote
On lockdowns
Our beloved leader Ardern led us into lockdown “hard and early” to flatten the curve. We had widespread political agreement and a compliant population. It wasn”t originally thought eradication* of COVID was possible but it soon became apparent we had a good chance of doing so.

It’s not a long term solution if you don’t have community buy in. Masks, hand washing, social distancing, widespread testing, effective contact tracing and well resourced healthcare are needed to get you through the winter.


*Beloved leader Ardern was taken to task over the terms Elimination vs Eradication early on. Currently we have it Eliminated in the community, the only COVID is in managed isolation. I expect at some point (hopefully post vaccine) we will go back to eradication.

Eradication refers to the reduction to zero (or a very low defined target rate) of new cases in a defined geographical area. C. Elimination refers to the complete and permanent worldwide reduction to zero new cases of the disease through deliberate efforts.
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:56 pm quote
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Our beloved leader Ardern led us into lockdown “hard and early” to flatten the curve. We had widespread political agreement and a compliant population.
And everyone knows what our "dear leader" did. (sigh)
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:36 am quote
Here we are having an increase in cases, it was expected but this is no consolation; we go on but the predictions are for a dangerous increase.

http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/dettaglioNotizieNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english&menu=notizie&p=dalministero&id=5121
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:00 am quote
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Here we are having an increase in cases, it was expected but this is no consolation; we go on but the predictions are for a dangerous increase.

http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/dettaglioNotizieNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english&menu=notizie&p=dalministero&id=5121
That is the case in many places as we hit the dreaded "second wave" as well as the cooler season in many places. I don't see too many full lockdowns at least here and this is for the purpose of keeping the economy going while trying to protect the vulnerable. At least now the hospitals have had time to prepare and PPE is more readily available . When this started getting a mask or sanitizer was virtually impossible and are now readily available.

As far as mask wearing we're pretty good here and rarely see someone flouting the regulations. My hope is we are almost there and this wave will be the last tough struggle. So a long winter ahead and hopefully spring brings hope of an end in sight.
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:26 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
Attila wrote:
Here we are having an increase in cases, it was expected but this is no consolation; we go on but the predictions are for a dangerous increase.

http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/dettaglioNotizieNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english&menu=notizie&p=dalministero&id=5121
That is the case in many places as we hit the dreaded "second wave" as well as the cooler season in many places. I don't see too many full lockdowns at least here and this is for the purpose of keeping the economy going while trying to protect the vulnerable. At least now the hospitals have had time to prepare and PPE is more readily available . When this started getting a mask or sanitizer was virtually impossible and are now readily available.

As far as mask wearing we're pretty good here and rarely see someone flouting the regulations. My hope is we are almost there and this wave will be the last tough struggle. So a long winter ahead and hopefully spring brings hope of an end in sight.
Honestly I'm breaking my balls ... I don't know how you say them; I resist and I know it's necessary but it's frustrating.
Next week I will get the flu vaccine (I am a risk category for previous diseases and I am one of the first to be vaccinated) but in any case I will have to lock myself in the house. I will hibernate like a bear ...
I had to continue with music lessons (I attend a music academy to pass the time and I learn to play the keyboard) but it is risky to keep going there, there is distancing, there are mask but I am still and therefore I will not, i don't have to continue with lessons.
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:11 am quote
Yes Atilla, many of us are having out balls busted over this. The phrase basically means you are being seriously hurt by someone/something over and over again. It's been tough for all of us and this is world changing. It's a crazy time to be alive and many history books will be written. We will overcome this as a planet and it will be a slightly different place.
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:13 pm quote
So, our governor's guidelines on limiting numbers of people gathered in restaurants and bars have been blocked by the courts. Meanwhile, the governor set up an emergency facility to handle overflow cases....to which an opposing party legislator responded by calling it an election gimmick.

I swear, these people belong to a death cult.
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:06 am quote
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So, our governor's guidelines on limiting numbers of people gathered in restaurants and bars have been blocked by the courts. Meanwhile, the governor set up an emergency facility to handle overflow cases....to which an opposing party legislator responded by calling it an election gimmick.

I swear, these people belong to a death cult.
While down here, our governor has refused to allow bars to reopen. Restaurants, yes; bars, no.
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:34 am quote
monogodo wrote:
fledermaus wrote:
So, our governor's guidelines on limiting numbers of people gathered in restaurants and bars have been blocked by the courts. Meanwhile, the governor set up an emergency facility to handle overflow cases....to which an opposing party legislator responded by calling it an election gimmick.

I swear, these people belong to a death cult.
While down here, our governor has refused to allow bars to reopen. Restaurants, yes; bars, no.
What exactly is the difference? I mean nightclubs, Sure that's easy but at least here most "bars" also have a kitchen and mosy restaurants serve alcohol outside of fast food.
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:37 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
monogodo wrote:
fledermaus wrote:
So, our governor's guidelines on limiting numbers of people gathered in restaurants and bars have been blocked by the courts. Meanwhile, the governor set up an emergency facility to handle overflow cases....to which an opposing party legislator responded by calling it an election gimmick.

I swear, these people belong to a death cult.
While down here, our governor has refused to allow bars to reopen. Restaurants, yes; bars, no.
What exactly is the difference? I mean nightclubs, Sure that's easy but at least here most "bars" also have a kitchen and mosy restaurants serve alcohol outside of fast food.
The clearest definition I found is from the City of Austin:
Quote:
Restaurant is an establishment engaged in the preparation and retail sale of food and beverages for on-premise consumption or in a ready-to-consume state. Restaurants are further classified as General or Limited. Only a Restaurant-General may serve alcoholic beverages. At least 51% of the gross income must be derived from the sale of prepared food. A restaurant use is first allowed in the LR Neighborhood Commercial District.

Cocktail lounge is a business engaged in the preparation and retail sale of alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises. Uses such as billiard parlors, dance halls, and live music venues may be included in this category if alcohol sales exceed 49% of the gross revenue. A cocktail lounge use is permitted in the CBD district, and conditional in the L, DMU, CS-1 and CH districts.

Liquor sales refer to an establishment engaged in retail sale of alcoholic beverages for consumption off the premise. A liquor sales use is permitted in the CBD, DMU, CS-1 and CH districts and conditional in the LI and MI districts.

Alcoholic beverage permit is a permit issued by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission authorizing the sale of alcoholic beverages.

Late-hours permit is a permit issued by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission authorizing a restaurant to serve alcohol between midnight and 2:00 a.m.
Basically, if the business' alcohol sales are more than 49% of total sales, it is considered a bar. They recently relaxed some of the requirements to be classified as a restaurant. It used to be that they had to have an on-site kitchen for the preparation of the food to qualify towards the 51% food. Now they can have prepackaged food (such as chips and salsa), they can count food truck sales as part of the 51%, and they no longer have to have the on-site kitchen.

Texas has some f'd up blue laws:
Car dealerships (including motorcycle shops) must remain closed on either Saturday or Sunday (dealer's choice).
No liquor sales on Sunday, any time on New Year's Day, Thanksgiving or Christmas (when Christmas and New Year's Day fall on a Sunday, then sales are prohibited at any time on the following Monday), and no liquor sales between 9pm & 10am.
In order for a restaurant to serve alcohol between 10am & noon, it must be with a food order. A single order of fries counts.

(edit: revised some errors)

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Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:16 am quote
News: Valentino Rossi also has Covid ...
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:16 pm quote
Attila wrote:
News: Valentino Rossi also has Covid ...
no!!! Not the Doctor! (Insert irony). Oh man, he was already falling so behind after the crashes. Guess 2020 is over for him.

regarding Toronto's second wave: man, that is NO JOKE:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/world/spinco-canada-covid-19-outbreak-trnd/index.html

I thought about sending the kids back into their work-out gyms after Christmas, but that just changed my gd mind.
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:13 pm quote
tonyc wrote:
Attila wrote:
News: Valentino Rossi also has Covid ...
no!!! Not the Doctor! (Insert irony). Oh man, he was already falling so behind after the crashes. Guess 2020 is over for him.

regarding Toronto's second wave: man, that is NO JOKE:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/world/spinco-canada-covid-19-outbreak-trnd/index.html

I thought about sending the kids back into their work-out gyms after Christmas, but that just changed my gd mind.
Friend ... Keep the children indoors, better alive and healthy than athletic or savvy.
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:56 pm quote
tonyc wrote:
Attila wrote:
News: Valentino Rossi also has Covid ...
no!!! Not the Doctor! (Insert irony). Oh man, he was already falling so behind after the crashes. Guess 2020 is over for him.

regarding Toronto's second wave: man, that is NO JOKE:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/world/spinco-canada-covid-19-outbreak-trnd/index.html

I thought about sending the kids back into their work-out gyms after Christmas, but that just changed my gd mind.
That's actually in Hamilton which is about an hour outside of Toronto. Still yeah we are getting the "2nd wave" here in TO proper and we'll see how it goes.
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:04 am quote
Guys ... I have a problem with my partner, we don't live in the same house; she is 57 years old and her own job and lives with her 87 year old mother ...
My partner's problem started four years ago when they diagnosed a bad disease, her spinal column no longer produces antibodies or is producing less and less, bone marrow transplant impossible.
She had kept her spirits up with medicines and chemo until covid era but ... these months have weakened her morale and she is tired of fight, so a month ago she decided that she gave up treatment also because of the fear of the virus. she forced to live in an isolated room and she was always very lively and liked to walk everywhere.
What I mean is that covid makes victims even among the weak, weakens their mental resistance, they decide they don't want to live anymore ... and they do. Sorry .. I'm sad.
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:11 am quote
87 is a very good age to have reached...
My mother died at 87, my grandmother at 82.
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:26 am quote
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87 is a very good age to have reached...
My mother died at 87, my grandmother at 82.
My father who died 5 years ago was 84 and my paternal grandfather was 88 (died in 1994); my mother who is alive is 83 years old.
Dying at 57 tastes different ... sorry for the thought.
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:36 am quote
Attila, very sorry to hear about the plight of your partner.

Raising one's spirits whilst relatively fit and healthy is hard enough at the moment, I can't begin to imagine how it must be for someone with such an illness.
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:40 am quote
fledermaus wrote:
So, our governor's guidelines on limiting numbers of people gathered in restaurants and bars have been blocked by the courts. Meanwhile, the governor set up an emergency facility to handle overflow cases....to which an opposing party legislator responded by calling it an election gimmick.

I swear, these people belong to a death cult.
I'm getting to the point I think we should just give up on some people and let them open up everything and anything. Just give the rest of us a heads up so we can stock up on things to get us through the time it takes to let those people die off.

Seems we are heading for a new round of the dark-ages where science is no longer as important than what some cult leaders are spewing!
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:08 am quote
fleece wrote:
Attila, very sorry to hear about the plight of your partner.

Raising one's spirits whilst relatively fit and healthy is hard enough at the moment, I can't begin to imagine how it must be for someone with such an illness.
Thanks for your kind words ...
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:17 am quote
Attila wrote:
Guys ... I have a problem with my partner, we don't live in the same house; she is 57 years old and her own job and lives with her 87 year old mother ...
My partner's problem started four years ago when they diagnosed a bad disease, her spinal column no longer produces antibodies or is producing less and less, bone marrow transplant impossible.
She had kept her spirits up with medicines and chemo until covid era but ... these months have weakened her morale and she is tired of fight, so a month ago she decided that she gave up treatment also because of the fear of the virus. she forced to live in an isolated room and she was always very lively and liked to walk everywhere.
What I mean is that covid makes victims even among the weak, weakens their mental resistance, they decide they don't want to live anymore ... and they do. Sorry .. I'm sad.
Attila, Your partner or her mother is having the problem? In either case, I'm sorry to hear about her problems. All you can do is be supportive.

Best
Miguel

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Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:36 am quote
Miguel wrote:
Attila wrote:
Guys ... I have a problem with my partner, we don't live in the same house; she is 57 years old and her own job and lives with her 87 year old mother ...
My partner's problem started four years ago when they diagnosed a bad disease, her spinal column no longer produces antibodies or is producing less and less, bone marrow transplant impossible.
She had kept her spirits up with medicines and chemo until covid era but ... these months have weakened her morale and she is tired of fight, so a month ago she decided that she gave up treatment also because of the fear of the virus. she forced to live in an isolated room and she was always very lively and liked to walk everywhere.
What I mean is that covid makes victims even among the weak, weakens their mental resistance, they decide they don't want to live anymore ... and they do. Sorry .. I'm sad.
Attila, Your partner or her mother is having the problem? In either case, I'm sorry to hear about her problems. All you can do is be supportive.

Bet
Miguel
My partner (woman), her name is Giulia.
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:08 am quote
Attila wrote:
Miguel wrote:
Attila wrote:
Guys ... I have a problem with my partner, we don't live in the same house; she is 57 years old and her own job and lives with her 87 year old mother ...
My partner's problem started four years ago when they diagnosed a bad disease, her spinal column no longer produces antibodies or is producing less and less, bone marrow transplant impossible.
She had kept her spirits up with medicines and chemo until covid era but ... these months have weakened her morale and she is tired of fight, so a month ago she decided that she gave up treatment also because of the fear of the virus. she forced to live in an isolated room and she was always very lively and liked to walk everywhere.
What I mean is that covid makes victims even among the weak, weakens their mental resistance, they decide they don't want to live anymore ... and they do. Sorry .. I'm sad.
Attila, Your partner or her mother is having the problem? In either case, I'm sorry to hear about her problems. All you can do is be supportive.

Bet
Miguel
My partner (woman), her name is Giulia.
I'm so sorry to hear about Giulia's illness Attila. 57 is still quite young. I think most people sense their own mortality by the time they are about 45 years old. I've also heard that some people just know when their time is done and want to enjoy the time they have left without feeling lousy from the drugs and treatments.

Ciao
Miguel

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Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:03 pm quote
Fudmucker wrote:
87 is a very good age to have reached...
My mother died at 87, my grandmother at 82.
My mother died very recently age 84. Her first ride and only ride on the scoot was when I collected her ashes from the funeral parlour. Inflated the tyres for 2 up riding.

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Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:25 pm quote
Attila wrote:
Fudmucker wrote:
87 is a very good age to have reached...
My mother died at 87, my grandmother at 82.
My father who died 5 years ago was 84 and my paternal grandfather was 88 (died in 1994); my mother who is alive is 83 years old.
Dying at 57 tastes different ... sorry for the thought.
Forgive me, I didn't realise it was your partner you were concerned about.
Caregivers are angels.
I hope she stays well.
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Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:48 am quote
I don't think there is any doubt about the consequences of the 2020 Sturgis Rally.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/17/sturgis-rally-spread/
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Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:05 am quote
Dooglas wrote:
I don't think there is any doubt about the consequences of the 2020 Sturgis Rally.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/17/sturgis-rally-spread/
Ugh , behind a paywall for me at least.

This should work if anyone else has the same issue . Good story but is anyone really surprised?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-the-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-may-have-spread-coronavirus-across-the-upper-midwest/ar-BB1a7VkP?ocid=ob-fb-enus-280&fbclid=IwAR3vq2vWSmJuIxv1CBaRL9lm9xfnYpPv8dT8LrIqdaxi8365-IQaWw-7vR4
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