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Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:39 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
Dooglas wrote:
Attila wrote:
Are the antivaxers also those of the flat Earth?
Essentially yes. The problem, of course, is that they put others at risk.
Yes, we have to hope enough people take the vaccine so that the anti-vaxers get protected by proxy.
...or they it sacrifice themselves on the altar of the philosophical sciences...
This bad thing has divided us but also united us in an unimaginable way ... I feel you are much closer to me (not materially, now it would not be safe) because the world seems to be on the edge of an abyss for everyone.
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:01 pm quote
Harbinger wrote:
Dooglas wrote:
Attila wrote:
Are the antivaxers also those of the flat Earth?
Essentially yes. The problem, of course, is that they put others at risk.
Yes, we have to hope enough people take the vaccine so that the anti-vaxers get protected by proxy.
Or that they fall off the end of the Earth...
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:45 pm quote
US hits 86,000 record-high new cases per day!!! Thats one new case per second!!!! We are on a steep incline and the number of cases, and resulting deaths, will continue to rise.

Be conscientious: wash your hands if you touch things other people have touched, wear a mask when you are around other people and stay away from people as much as possible. No excuses.

Be safe.
Miguel
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:38 am quote
Madison Sully wrote:
Or that they fall off the end of the Earth...
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:02 am quote
Miguel wrote:
Be conscientious: wash your hands if you touch things other people have touched...
I sanitize a bunch (12-20) of pens for people to use at my pick up window. I have them in a cup labeled "Sanitized Pens." I also have a sign above and below it reading "Sanitized Pens."

On the other side of the barrier (to their right), I have another cup labeled "Used Pens," again with signs above and below reading "Used Pens."

I also have a sign reading "Keep pen when finished, or place in Used Pens cup."

People pick up a sanitized pen, use it, then put it back with the other sanitized pens.

I even put a couple of pens in the Used Pen cup, so that they would be sure to see it. Nope, it doesn't matter.

People are oblivious to anything not in their own world.
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:18 am quote
monogodo wrote:
Miguel wrote:
Be conscientious: wash your hands if you touch things other people have touched...
I sanitize a bunch (12-20) of pens for people to use at my pick up window. I have them in a cup labeled "Sanitized Pens." I also have a sign above and below it reading "Sanitized Pens."

On the other side of the barrier (to their right), I have another cup labeled "Used Pens," again with signs above and below reading "Used Pens."

I also have a sign reading "Keep pen when finished, or place in Used Pens cup."

People pick up a sanitized pen, use it, then put it back with the other sanitized pens.

I even put a couple of pens in the Used Pen cup, so that they would be sure to see it. Nope, it doesn't matter.

People are oblivious to anything not in their own world.
Makes you wonder about the future of our species.
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:43 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
monogodo wrote:
Miguel wrote:
Be conscientious: wash your hands if you touch things other people have touched...
I sanitize a bunch (12-20) of pens for people to use at my pick up window. I have them in a cup labeled "Sanitized Pens." I also have a sign above and below it reading "Sanitized Pens."

On the other side of the barrier (to their right), I have another cup labeled "Used Pens," again with signs above and below reading "Used Pens."

I also have a sign reading "Keep pen when finished, or place in Used Pens cup."

People pick up a sanitized pen, use it, then put it back with the other sanitized pens.

I even put a couple of pens in the Used Pen cup, so that they would be sure to see it. Nope, it doesn't matter.

People are oblivious to anything not in their own world.
Makes you wonder about the future of our species.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN-86mmkipc&feature=youtu.be
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:24 am quote
Miguel wrote:
US hits 86,000 record-high new cases per day!!! Thats one new case per second!!!! We are on a steep incline and the number of cases, and resulting deaths, will continue to rise.

Be conscientious: wash your hands if you touch things other people have touched, wear a mask when you are around other people and stay away from people as much as possible. No excuses.

Be safe.
Miguel
While at exactly the same time *some* people are publicly declaring we are turning the corner and hardly anyone's dying.
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:34 am quote
fledermaus wrote:
Miguel wrote:
US hits 86,000 record-high new cases per day!!! Thats one new case per second!!!! We are on a steep incline and the number of cases, and resulting deaths, will continue to rise.

Be conscientious: wash your hands if you touch things other people have touched, wear a mask when you are around other people and stay away from people as much as possible. No excuses.

Be safe.
Miguel
While at exactly the same time *some* people are publicly declaring we are turning the corner and hardly anyone's dying.
That's one hell of a corner. Hopefully they set up their approach angle properly and have practiced trail braking and countersteering. I fear they may be going in too hot and may wind up in the wrong lane as a semi approaches.
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:05 am quote
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That's one hell of a corner. Hopefully they set up their approach angle properly and have practiced trail braking and countersteering. I fear they may be going in too hot and may wind up in the wrong lane as a semi approaches.
Yeah, I think the semi completes the metaphor.....
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:40 pm quote
Unfortunately they cause the semi to swerve into the school bus full of the rest of us following safety protocols behind it. They somehow survive, and blame the school bus driver for the accident.



Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:19 pm
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Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:28 am quote
The professor with the wand reminds me of someone, a vague resemblance ...

Oops! Jupiter threw one of his lightnings, as not mentioned.

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Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:03 am quote
swiss1939 wrote:
Unfortunately they cause the semi to swerve into the school bus full of the rest of us following safety protocols behind it. They somehow survive, and blame the school bus driver for the accident.
very true!
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Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:58 am quote
kshansen wrote:
swiss1939 wrote:
Unfortunately they cause the semi to swerve into the school bus full of the rest of us following safety protocols behind it. They somehow survive, and blame the school bus driver for the accident.
very true!
Well said swiss, a skilful exercise in periphrasis to cite a delicate situation. Your prosopopoeia is worthy of a diplomat, I'm impressed.
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:42 am quote
Another puzzling side of the COVID scenario:

mybroadband.co.za/news/trending/373151-south-africa-has-reached-some-sort-of-herd-immunity-against-covid-19-professor-shabir-madhi.html

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/trending/373151-south-africa-has-reached-some-sort-of-herd-immunity-against-covid-19-professor-shabir-madhi.html
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:41 am quote
Fudmucker wrote:
Another puzzling side of the COVID scenario:

mybroadband.co.za/news/trending/373151-south-africa-has-reached-some-sort-of-herd-immunity-against-covid-19-professor-shabir-madhi.html

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/trending/373151-south-africa-has-reached-some-sort-of-herd-immunity-against-covid-19-professor-shabir-madhi.html
Interesting and I thought with a simple Google search I could find theories debunking it. However that is not the case and yes, this is a confusing virus. Other countries like Brazil have similar crowding and warm temperatures but aren't headed in the same direction. It could be with limited travel the virus is morphing differently in certain regions. That's just me thinking and not based on science though.

Anyway BBC I trust and they also have the story.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53998374
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:42 am quote
Trick 'r Treatin' in a pandemic
"Well, we don't want to interact with kids at our front door, so are we going to take a pass this year? We only ever get a few to our house on this cul-de-sac."

My daughter said, "No way Jose'! We'll distance, mask up and use tongs to pass the candy poured from the bags straight into their bags."

To attract kids to the corner of our lot, instead of our front door, I said we need to 'advertise!', let 'em know we're worth walking down here. So, we lit up a corner birch tree and a lilac bush with Xmas lights. Made a couple milk carton light things, pointed a jack o lantern down the street.....and by darn we lured so many kids for candy from the neighboring development that I had to empty my personal stash of Reese Cups >

The moon was crazy bright last night as well....
Which only added to the effects of some very clever costumes:
a) ghost-guy on stilts (even his arms were long, touching the road in front of himself - like a giant spider coming slowly, silently, at you down the street.
b) and the 4 teens in horrific clown costumes, who just stood in the semi-darkness waiting for my daughter to notice them. The lead clown crouching silently with wide spread arms - displaying a dim "Free Hugs!" sign on his chest. (it's been awhile since I've heard my daughter scream!

Anyway....it was good to do something normal...



Daughter drew it - I cut it (to save a trip to the E.R.)


O.S.
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:48 am quote
Why don't pumpkins also have masks?
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:51 am quote
Re: Trick 'r Treatin' in a pandemic
OldSchooot wrote:
"Well, we don't want to interact with kids at our front door, so are we going to take a pass this year? We only ever get a few to our house on this cul-de-sac."

My daughter said, "No way Jose'! We'll distance, mask up and use tongs to pass the candy poured from the bags straight into their bags."

To attract kids to the corner of our lot, instead of our front door, I said we need to 'advertise!', let 'em know we're worth walking down here. So, we lit up a corner birch tree and a lilac bush with Xmas lights. Made a couple milk carton light things, pointed a jack o lantern down the street.....and by darn we lured so many kids for candy from the neighboring development that I had to empty my personal stash of Reese Cups >

The moon was crazy bright last night as well....
Which only added to the effects of some very clever costumes:
a) ghost-guy on stilts (even his arms were long, touching the road in front of himself - like a giant spider coming slowly, silently, at you down the street.
b) and the 4 teens in horrific clown costumes, who just stood in the semi-darkness waiting for my daughter to notice them. The lead clown crouching silently with wide spread arms - displaying a dim "Free Hugs!" sign on his chest. (it's been awhile since I've heard my daughter scream!

Anyway....it was good to do something normal...



Daughter drew it - I cut it (to save a trip to the E.R.)


O.S.
Very nice! In my daughter's neighborhood in Oak Park, IL everyone was making candy tubes down their front stairs. Some got really elaborate with them and ran them up to the attic. I think regardless of Covid the new candy tube Halloween in Oak Park is something that will be back.
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:39 am quote
The candy chute at my son's house.

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Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:09 pm quote
Dooglas wrote:
The candy chute at my son's house.
I think that's awesome! Kudos to everyone that did it and it really is only a short period of our lives where Halloween trick or treating is special. In Ontario it was cancelled this year and even a good chunk of the medical community was in disagreement with that. The tubes and creative ways of getting the candy to the kids proves that but I guess they were afraid not everyone would go that route. Still I think the risk minimal and in places that took this pandemic seriously with restrictions the kids deserved to have a few smiles.

It's the big super spreader parties with the 20-30 something crowd that should have been stopped and some were.
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:56 pm quote
As spotted on comp.risks:

Subject: Networking Theory and Superspreader Events
From: Rob Slade <rmslade>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 11:23:18 -0700

Recently there has been a great deal of concern about the exact
interpretation of rules about how many people you can have at your dinner
party, or wedding, or funeral, or school classroom (or funeral following a
dinner party). Journalists are tasking medical experts for precise numbers.
People are saying they won't follow *the rules* because they aren't clear.
That's kind of like saying that you won't wear warm clothes when you go out
because the weather forecast is predicting five to thirty millimetres of
rain, and that isn't explicit enough.

Very few people understand formal, mathematical, networking theory,
including many of those who work in the field of networking. This seems to
be the basis of a great deal of the misunderstanding or objection to
limitations on gathering numbers.

First of all, the more people you are in contact with, the greater your risk
of getting this (or any other communicable) disease. The closer the
contact, the greater the risk. The longer the contact, the greater the
risk. This is basic. Location, duration, relation.

In regard to numbers, *the rules* are different in different places. And
they are *best guess* advice. Nobody can say that a dinner party of six is
safe, but a dinner party of seven will result in someone getting CoVID.
However, let's take six as an example. You can have a dinner party with
five other people. That's probably OK. But if you then have another five
people over for dinner the next night, and then five more over the night
after that, by the end of two weeks (which is a good period to consider
because it is widely acknowledged as the rough estimate of when most people
will be infectious) you will have had dinner with seventy people. Six
people might be relatively safe. Seventy people is definitely getting
dangerous. Keeping your individual party small is not terribly safe if you
keep having a lot of different parties.

And that's just basic numbers, even before we start to add in the real
networking aspects. If you have five people over for dinner, were each of
them out to dinner with five other people the night before? You now have
indirect contact with twenty-five people with your small dinner party. And
if we go back to the day before that, you then have third-party contact with
one hundred and twenty-five people. (By the time we get back two weeks, you
are almost exceeding the population of the planet.) In terms of sexually
transmitted infections, it is often said that whenever you have sex with
someone, you have sex with everyone they ever had sex with. That is the way
to think about how safe your small party is.

And that's just dinner. If anyone in any of those circles plays football,
that adds contact with twenty-five more people, closely, and breathing very
heavily, for every practice, and fifty for every game. Where do any of
those people work? And, if still working, does their work environment
involve people/not many people, masks/no masks, partitions/no partitions?

And then there are the *bubbles*. Originally, bubbles referred to your
household, and the people you couldn't avoid having contact with. Then
people started to talk about expanding the bubbles, so that you could pick
one other family, or household, to bubble with, to safely (and even that's
questionable) expand your social circle. After all, if you are taking
precautions, and the one other family is taking precautions, then it should
be reasonably safe.

The thing is, when talking about expanding the bubbles, people immediately
forgot that *one other* aspect. One other family might be safe. It's
manageable. You know what's going on in that one other family. But as soon
as you get beyond one other, all bets are off. If you bubble with only two
other bubbles, and each of them bubbles with two others, then indirectly you
are connected with four other bubbles. And if each of them is doing two
bubbles, then at third hand ...

Most of us humans aren't good at numbers. We can usually “see” seven
items. Anything more than that is just “a lot,” and we have only a
vague idea of how big anything is beyond that. By dint of practice, we
learn arithmetic, but, aside from a relative few, it never really comes
naturally to us. And exponential growth in numbers is something that seems
to be beyond our immediate comprehension. This becomes very dangerous when
we are faced with having to make decisions, literally life and death
decisions, about how big of a network, and how many contacts, are safe, when
every additional contact increases the risk. That is why public health
agencies try to provides rules with specific numbers. The thing is, those
numbers are estimates. They are not perfect. That's why there is so little
agreement between them. And each jurisdiction has slight differences in
environment and situation, which also modifies the numbers. So many people
think that, if the numbers don't agree, then you can just ignore the rules.

The thing is, the public health agencies, and their calculations, may not be
perfect. But they are based on work, and facts, and study, and expertise
that the agencies have, and you don't. Their guesses may be guesses, but
they are better than yours. Follow the rules. Look for accommodation, not
loopholes.

Now go wash your hands.
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Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:21 am quote
Here are guidelines:

http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/homeNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english

Our Prime Minister speaks to the Chambers wearing "always" the mask.
(the cleared area contained political news about the USA)

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Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:35 am quote
One thing that I think sometimes people forget is for the most part this virus has only been in the human population for about one year.

So how do people expect 100% accurate information from the health care people on it? Those the closest to the virus are just fighting to keep people alive! Do you jump down the throats of the firemen asking them how the fire started and the best way to prevent it while there are people standing on the ledge of the burning building? Now if someone comes walking up with a gas can you do something before it gets worse! It may not stop the current fire but at least you might slow the spread!

How many other viruses or diseases are there out there that have been know and studied for decades that we still don't have all the answers on how to cure or prevent?
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Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:46 am quote
All right but we all lived on statistics where the illusion of not being hit was there but it was a hope like winning at Bingo ... and we didn't care.
Now we have firmly acknowledged that the problem has always been there, to a lesser extent at times, to a greater extent at other times; we are fundamentally selfish and we think we are the strongest and also the smartest but Covid has made us understand that we must change the way we live and above all the way we consider our health: an asset in which to invest.
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Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:59 am quote
It's really just a matter of being smart, don't take risks and wash your hands often. Of course the other key is to let the medical community trained in infectious diseases take the lead with input from elected officials. There is a fine balance between not destroying the economy while keeping people safe. If most people would just follow the guidelines I'm sure the numbers would be better.
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Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:19 am quote
True ... in Italy we have had the proof; in fact when the surveillance was relaxed during the summer period it was a mistake.
Soon after there is a sudden increase (still rising) in cases and deaths.
It is true, much more tampons have been made and we see more positive and asymptomatic but the increase in deaths is a sure indication of what is happening.
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Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:56 pm quote
Harbinger wrote:
It's really just a matter of being smart, don't take risks and wash your hands often. Of course the other key is to let the medical community trained in infectious diseases take the lead with input from elected officials. There is a fine balance between not destroying the economy while keeping people safe. If most people would just follow the guidelines I'm sure the numbers would be better.
In my observations most do.
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:42 am quote
New lockdown in Italy, from November 6 to December 3, for now.

Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte at a press conference explains the red, orange and yellow areas that will come into effect from Friday. They are yellow: Abruzzo, Basilicata, Campania, Friuli, Lazio, Liguria, Marche Molise, Sardinia, Tuscany, Umbria, Veneto, Trento, Bolzano, Emilia Romagna; the orange area includes Puglia and Sicily and the red area, for which lockdowns are planned, include Lombardy, Piedmont, Calabria, Valle d'Aosta and Calabria.
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:13 pm quote
Attila wrote:
New lockdown in Italy, from November 6 to December 3, for now.
oh no.... so sorry! Does this mean I'm NOT going to get the MV agusta fuel pump that I need until 2021?!?
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:03 pm quote
Same in Greece, full lockdown for at least a month, probably starting in Saturday. Tomorrow the prime minister will announce the new measures. Here's the current map (44,246 confirmed cases so far, 655 deaths). Yellow is level 1, red is level 2, grey is level 3 (local lockdown). Currently as shown in the map, two regions / prefectures are in local lockdown due to the high rise in confirmed cases...

Stay safe, protect yourselves and your loved ones!!!

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Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:18 pm quote
safis good to hear you are still around. Keep safe and hopefully your countries efforts pay off!
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:40 pm quote
Our President is going to have a cozy little chat with us again next week.

I had better stock up on beer today...
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Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:27 am quote
Not going to say how I feel about what looks to be the outcome of the US election. It is what it is as the saying goes. However it is obviously going to have an effect on the how the US deals with Covid-19. What I don't really know is how much power a president elect has or for that matter how much power a lame duck president has. Google will have to come to the rescue for me on that.
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Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:05 am quote
tonyc wrote:
Attila wrote:
New lockdown in Italy, from November 6 to December 3, for now.
oh no.... so sorry! Does this mean I'm NOT going to get the MV agusta fuel pump that I need until 2021?!?
You know that in this forum only you and I have a scooter and an MV Agusta (but mine has a carburetor).
When the pump arrives you will need to disinfect it.
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Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:19 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
Not going to say how I feel about what looks to be the outcome of the US election. It is what it is as the saying goes. However it is obviously going to have an effect on the how the US deals with Covid-19. What I don't really know is how much power a president elect has or for that matter how much power a lame duck president has. Google will have to come to the rescue for me on that.
Pres elect has no power. Lame duck has all the power.. and none of the restraints of future electability.
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Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:24 am quote
swiss1939 wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
Not going to say how I feel about what looks to be the outcome of the US election. It is what it is as the saying goes. However it is obviously going to have an effect on the how the US deals with Covid-19. What I don't really know is how much power a president elect has or for that matter how much power a lame duck president has. Google will have to come to the rescue for me on that.
Pres elect has no power. Lame duck has all the power.. and none of the restraints of future electability.
You may have misinterpreted 'lame duck president'...
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Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:08 am quote
I've interpreted it correctly. Whether a lame duck can use that power is up to their desire to use it regardless of any repercussions and the existing branches of government willingness to allow them to. But i was trying to avoid getting too specific about political factors.

That is unless i missed some subtle alternative meaning for lame duck president.. which i could have.
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Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:42 am quote
Perhaps we should leave it there - getting very borderline.
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