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Ossessionato
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Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:45 am quote
jimc wrote:
Perhaps we should leave it there - getting very borderline.
Agreed 👍
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Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:52 am quote
swiss1939 wrote:
jimc wrote:
Perhaps we should leave it there - getting very borderline.
Agreed 👍
Good job guys

I'm actually just curious how this will effect the covid-19 strategy including masks and what is open in the US. Yes I know it is hard to discuss without the politics.
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Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:54 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
swiss1939 wrote:
jimc wrote:
Perhaps we should leave it there - getting very borderline.
Agreed 👍
Good job guys

I'm actually just curious how this will effect the covid-19 strategy including masks and what is open in the US. Yes I know it is hard to discuss without the politics.
Oh, I don't know.
If the one guy wins, things will go a certain way.
But if the other guy wins, things will go a whole different sort of way.
See? Simples....
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Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:59 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
swiss1939 wrote:
jimc wrote:
Perhaps we should leave it there - getting very borderline.
Agreed 👍
Good job guys

I'm actually just curious how this will effect the covid-19 strategy including masks and what is open in the US. Yes I know it is hard to discuss without the politics.
I think we are all in the same wait and see boat as the rest of the world. Still need for the current hot topic to resolve itself before we can move on to other pressing matters.

related to covid though.. after working in my office since August and using Uber instead of public transportation to commute as required by my company.. I decided at the beginning of October to opt out of in person work starting Nov 1 again since my company leaves it up to individuals to decide. Throughout October, corporate kept sending company wide notices of various positive test cases in our studios across the street (which I do not work in). Those emails confirmed to me it was a good idea to switch back to remote work when I did. They ended up swapping me to remote on Oct 31st instead of my already scheduled building shift which meant I started remote work a day earlier. Logged into work email this week to see a bunch of company wide notices of positive test cases in my office where I was scheduled to work, and for anyone who was there on Halloween to get retested. Looks like I got out at just the right time.
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:09 am quote
http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/homeNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english

I try to keep you updated using the official website of our ministry of health because it is also in English.
Unfortunately, here things are not going well, the progressive lockdown works but is slower due to the many asymptomatic, the maximum problem is the stability of our health system. Doctors and nurses are progressively getting sick even using all precautions and going to the E.R. for other problems it certainly means getting sick with Covid too. This is big trouble!
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:13 am quote
-https://youtu.be/1n0L_7mitfM-

Rome, after 10 pm. In lockdown...
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:34 am quote
swiss1939 wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
swiss1939 wrote:
jimc wrote:
Perhaps we should leave it there - getting very borderline.
Agreed 👍
Good job guys

I'm actually just curious how this will effect the covid-19 strategy including masks and what is open in the US. Yes I know it is hard to discuss without the politics.
I think we are all in the same wait and see boat as the rest of the world. Still need for the current hot topic to resolve itself before we can move on to other pressing matters.

Well that hot topic is now done with. Let's see how the covid response changes though I understand they will not be immediate.

No politics please (court stuff etc) but I do want to see the covid plan put forward. There will at some point be changes of that I am sure. When they happen will be interesting .
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:38 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
swiss1939 wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
swiss1939 wrote:
jimc wrote:
Perhaps we should leave it there - getting very borderline.
Agreed 👍
Good job guys

I'm actually just curious how this will effect the covid-19 strategy including masks and what is open in the US. Yes I know it is hard to discuss without the politics.
I think we are all in the same wait and see boat as the rest of the world. Still need for the current hot topic to resolve itself before we can move on to other pressing matters.

Well that hot topic is now done with. Let's see how the covid response changes though I understand they will not be immediate.

No politics please (court stuff etc) but I do want to see the covid plan put forward. There will at some point be changes of that I am sure. When they happen will be interesting .
Best case still two months to wait for anything to change.
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:48 am quote
Madison Sully wrote:
Best case still two months to wait for anything to change.
Yeah, probably. We'll see how much the pandemic is addressed in today's speech. He will certainly address it and may lay out some of the groundwork.
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:52 am quote
Hopefully the news in the US means that in the future there will be a better response to the pandemic. Too many people, all over the world, have died needlessly but some countries have performed far better than others in protecting their citizens.

Stay safe people.
Molto Verboso
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:18 am quote
Now that NOT wearing a mask is no longer a political statement, take care of your health, guys.

Stay home if you can.
Wear masks if you can't.
Avoid crowds.
Sanitize and wash hands often.

Be healthy.
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:00 am quote
JOE!!!
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:49 am quote
Miguel wrote:
JOE!!!
Kinda political, no???
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:01 pm quote
Miguel wrote:
JOE!!!
Like a lot of Kiwis, Iíve been drinking huge amounts of coffee this year and havenít contracted COVID-19 yet.
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:08 pm quote
znomit wrote:
Miguel wrote:
JOE!!!
Like a lot of Kiwis, Iíve been drinking huge amounts of coffee this year and havenít contracted COVID-19 yet.
Nice try.....😉
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:04 pm quote
BVBob wrote:
Miguel wrote:
JOE!!!
Kinda political, no???
Depends on how you read it. It could be, "It's JOE, now WTF do we do!!" or "It's JOE, Wahoo!!"

More could be said but I'll leave it there.

I noticed someone clicked on "thumbs-down" resulting in negative Karma points against you. I use Karma to help me decide on the credibility of someone offering advice about scooter and motorcycle related threads. I don't know why anyone would give you a "thumbs-down" on a simple question, especially one unrelated to the site. I gave you a" thumbs-up" to negate it and I encourage the person that gave you a "thumbs down" to go back and cancel their "thumbs-down" by clicking on the "thumbs-down" button again which eliminates the negative Karma.

Cheers! Miguel
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Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:35 am quote
znomit wrote:
Miguel wrote:
JOE!!!
Like a lot of Kiwis, Iíve been drinking huge amounts of coffee this year and havenít contracted COVID-19 yet.
... many are those who think they don't have it ... they have mild symptoms but they do and they don't give importance. I have been in bed for two days and I begin to think that I have taken it but going to the hospital is suicide because if you don't have it in that place you will definitely take it.

Miguel ... I hurry to read your posts before any censorship.
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Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:39 am quote
Two of our larger drugstore chains are now offering COVID antibody (serology) tests at around US$1 with results in 15 min. They are not meant to be diagnostic, but merely to show if you have been exposed to the bug.
I'm going to take one on Monday for interest's sake...
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Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:52 am quote
Another COVID death.
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Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:42 pm quote
znomit wrote:
Not sure what that was about .. Facebook is something I avoid like the plague or in this case pandemic . Not happy I have to have an account for my Oculus Quest 2 but beyond that FB is dead to me.
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:42 pm quote
Harbinger wrote:
swiss1939 wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
swiss1939 wrote:
jimc wrote:
Perhaps we should leave it there - getting very borderline.
Agreed 👍
Good job guys

I'm actually just curious how this will effect the covid-19 strategy including masks and what is open in the US. Yes I know it is hard to discuss without the politics.
I think we are all in the same wait and see boat as the rest of the world. Still need for the current hot topic to resolve itself before we can move on to other pressing matters.

Well that hot topic is now done with. Let's see how the covid response changes though I understand they will not be immediate.

No politics please (court stuff etc) but I do want to see the covid plan put forward. There will at some point be changes of that I am sure. When they happen will be interesting .
I don't think Covid has been a respecter of political philosophies when you look around the world and I don't think a US regime change is going to change many facts. Biden's plan was to push for a vaccine and hope and pray (from the debates). Not much change there. Everybody hold on, it's gonna get bumpy!
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:17 pm quote
Vaccines are coming - it's who gets what and when that's sadly political.

I hope TPTB listen to the scientists.
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:07 pm quote
jimc wrote:
Vaccines are coming - it's who gets what and when that's sadly political.
Some tricky logistics involved with the required cold storage too unfortunately.
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:24 pm quote
znomit wrote:
[Some tricky logistics involved with the required cold storage too unfortunately.
Yes, I was just reading that there is no facility on Hawaii capable of storing the Pfizer vaccine under the required low temperature conditions.
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:35 pm quote
lomunchi wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
swiss1939 wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
swiss1939 wrote:
jimc wrote:
Perhaps we should leave it there - getting very borderline.
Agreed 👍
Good job guys

I'm actually just curious how this will effect the covid-19 strategy including masks and what is open in the US. Yes I know it is hard to discuss without the politics.
I think we are all in the same wait and see boat as the rest of the world. Still need for the current hot topic to resolve itself before we can move on to other pressing matters.

Well that hot topic is now done with. Let's see how the covid response changes though I understand they will not be immediate.

No politics please (court stuff etc) but I do want to see the covid plan put forward. There will at some point be changes of that I am sure. When they happen will be interesting .
I don't think Covid has been a respecter of political philosophies when you look around the world and I don't think a US regime change is going to change many facts. Biden's plan was to push for a vaccine and hope and pray (from the debates). Not much change there. Everybody hold on, it's gonna get bumpy!
The Georgia Senate runoffs in January (and political maneuvering in the meantime with those seats as leverage) will strongly affect how much more can be done than is being done now. This is an observation, not a political suggestion -- how you act on it is up to you.
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:50 am quote
znomit wrote:
jimc wrote:
Vaccines are coming - it's who gets what and when that's sadly political.
Some tricky logistics involved with the required cold storage too unfortunately.
There are also other vaccines and other immunization methods (monoclonal antibodies) on the way. The problem is no longer how but when.

------> http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/homeNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english <-----
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:29 am quote
Dooglas wrote:
Yes, I was just reading that there is no facility on Hawaii capable of storing the Pfizer vaccine under the required low temperature conditions.
I can imagine, it's not like you can just pop in to the local Home Depot and order a -84ļF freeze and have it delivered this after noon!

Wonder if after someone is given the vaccine they develop antibodies and then could become plasma donners? Then we could just get a group of people to volunteer to travel around the country doing clinics?

Sounds a bit far fetched but who knows?
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:43 am quote
Apparently they have developed a dry ice container capable of transportating the vaccine. The real issue is going to be rural areas. There is talk of pharmacies being used for vaccination. The issue here is that is unfair to less affluent regions as they tend to have far fewer pharmacies. Here for instance where I stand there are literally 3 in less than a 5 minute walk from me. I know that is not the case elsewhere.
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:57 am quote
But what does it take to make a refrigerated container to put in a maxi camper?
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:14 am quote
There are plenty of examples of trailers that transport frozen products.
I can't see the problem...?
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:29 am quote
... but i don't see any problems either ...
Then as i said there will not be a single vaccine.
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:34 am quote
Fudmucker wrote:
There are plenty of examples of trailers that transport frozen products.
I can't see the problem...?
Those truck do not get anywhere near the cold temperatures required for the vaccine. THAT is the problem.

The fact that a few people here do not see a problem is a sign of privilege as you know you will be able to get it. I'm not going all left wing crazy here but you have to see the logistical nightmare of getting the vaccine to rural and poor areas? To reach herd immunity via a vaccine it has to be widely distributed otherwise it will keep coming back. We have to do our best to eradicate it as AFAIK the vaccines do not provide lifetime immunity.
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:40 am quote
Attila wrote:
But what does it take to make a refrigerated container to put in a maxi camper?
Really? That's one hell of a camper .

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-distribut/why-pfizers-ultra-cold-covid-19-vaccine-will-not-be-at-the-local-pharmacy-any-time-soon-idUSKBN27P2VI

The main issue is that the vaccine, which is based on a novel technology that uses synthetic mRNA to activate the immune system against the virus, needs to be kept at minus 70 degrees Celsius (-94 F) or below.
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:55 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
Attila wrote:
But what does it take to make a refrigerated container to put in a maxi camper?
Really? That's one hell of a camper .

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-distribut/why-pfizers-ultra-cold-covid-19-vaccine-will-not-be-at-the-local-pharmacy-any-time-soon-idUSKBN27P2VI

The main issue is that the vaccine, which is based on a novel technology that uses synthetic mRNA to activate the immune system against the virus, needs to be kept at minus 70 degrees Celsius (-94 F) or below.
I have read about the logistics path on this.
Dry ice boxes are already developed that can hold the proper temperature for 5 days without re-loading the dry ice. While one requirement is the package can only be opened twice per day, it still doesn't sound insurmountable within a few hundred miles of the privileged regions.

Beyond that, yeah it is complicated, but still dry ice is available in at least two different places in Cheyenne, WY, so it can't be a huge deal in the US. And this time of year, shoot, you could almost leave the fridge open in Canada...
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Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:53 am quote
Somebody knocked out their observations & thoughts for me in ruff graph form, on a scratch pad with an interesting slogan on it I thought, under the circumstances.
I hope these vaccines will clobber the curve, especially the new one from Moderna that won't require special cooling.
There are more closing in on the finish line as well.

covid.jpg
I think this chart unfortunately might work to a certain degree in too many places in the world

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Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:43 am quote
Yes ... Moderna and others, we just hope the statements on percentage effectiveness are true.
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Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:44 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
Fudmucker wrote:
There are plenty of examples of trailers that transport frozen products.
I can't see the problem...?
Those truck do not get anywhere near the cold temperatures required for the vaccine. THAT is the problem.

The fact that a few people here do not see a problem is a sign of privilege as you know you will be able to get it. I'm not going all left wing crazy here but you have to see the logistical nightmare of getting the vaccine to rural and poor areas? To reach herd immunity via a vaccine it has to be widely distributed otherwise it will keep coming back. We have to do our best to eradicate it as AFAIK the vaccines do not provide lifetime immunity.
Liquid Oxygen and Nitrogen are below minus 300F.
They get transported around very well.
Is that not cold enough for vaccines...?
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