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Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:15 pm quote
priscillaj wrote:
Yes wear the masks I guess. It makes people feel better.
I hope that's just a simple turn of the phrase you have used there, but its a dangerous thought. We have known that using masks during a pandemic saves lives by decreasing the transmission of airborne viruses - and that fact has been reasonably well documented for at least 100 years.

CDC calls on Americans to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 spread
JAMA editorial reviews latest science, while case study shows masks prevented COVID spread
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html

When I add a chart of the Covid-19 incidence reports for Missouri compared to a few other states we can see that it's only recently that California, which is on a exponential growth curve right now, has passed that previously higher infection rate.

http://genepilot.com/covid19/covid19B.html

The last thing anyone there wants is to catch this virus which is now loose over here that has filled most of our ICU beds to capacity.
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Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:24 pm quote
Re: Vit D and our immune system
priscillaj wrote:
I have watched youtube vids often about Vit D.
Are there people on Youtube reading peer reviewed scientific papers or is it people spouting anecdotes and conjectures?

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Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:28 pm quote
They are giving at risk people vit D as part of their strategy here in UK. I haven’t read why.
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Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:55 pm quote
Extra Vit D while sunshine is unavailable for a while is a good idea, especially if you're stuck indoors. It's all part of helping your immune system perform at the best it can.
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Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:41 pm quote
Rallygeek wrote:
They are giving at risk people vit D as part of their strategy here in UK. I haven’t read why.
Perhaps because of this paper published in Nature last month:

Vitamin D known to play key role in the maintenance of bone health and calcium–phosphorus metabolism, yet many other functions of this vitamin have been recently postulated, such as modulation of the immune response in both infectious and autoimmune diseases.

The prevalence of vitamin D deficiency was 32.96% and 96.82% respectively in Group A and Group B. Out of total 154 patients, 90 patients were found to be deficient in vitamin D (Group A: 29; Group B: 61)

Analysis of vitamin D level among asymptomatic and critically ill COVID-19 patients and its correlation with inflammatory markers
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77093-z
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Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:03 pm quote
No need for vitamin D supplements with the summer soltice, but the virus has caused a surfboard shortage on Queensland's Gold Coast as the interest in solo activities increases. Sales of mid sized surfboards are up 150% on last year, and the waiting time for custom boards has increased from weeks to months.

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Don't try this at home.

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Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:33 pm quote
Surfers... you have to love their dedication in the face of adversity.

The South African Government closed beaches in a number of provinces as part of the COVID control measures. It was intended to eliminate the crowds of partygoers that congregate.

In most places along our coast, beaches are NOT crowded, with small bubble groups of family and friends socially distancing in the open air - a VERY low infection risk situation. Now the holidaymakers are prevented from going onto the sand, they are congregating far more densely on the grass verges above the sandy beaches...

A legal loophole is subsistence fishing. If you have a fishing permit, you may be on the beach. News sources report that cheap fishing rods and fishing permits have been sold at over twenty times the normal rate in restricted areas.

The surfers are different. Years back a declaratory court order on the definition of a beach was obtained in a different scenario. A beach was defined as a stretch of SAND between the sea and the land. So surfers are now crossing the rocky outcrops to get to the sea, or making use of concrete boat launching slipways, grinning at police who are deployed to keep the beaches clear.

South Africa has one of the highest murder and rape rates in the world, but policemen are being deployed to keep the normally law-abiding citizens off the sand.
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:11 am quote
Sledge wrote:
Attila wrote:
In Italy rules for Christmas lunch: no more than four people together and at a safe distance.
1 - Attila
2 - Mum
3 - Giulia
4 - Sledge - will bring the panettone.

Bon Natale a tutti.
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:15 am quote
jimc wrote:
Extra Vit D while sunshine is unavailable for a while is a good idea, especially if you're stuck indoors. It's all part of helping your immune system perform at the best it can.
However an excess of vitamin D can also be bad for your health ... All excesses.
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:29 am quote
Re: Vit D and our immune system
znomit wrote:
priscillaj wrote:
I have watched youtube vids often about Vit D.
Are there people on Youtube reading peer reviewed scientific papers or is it people spouting anecdotes and conjectures?
Nah...I've always thought peer reviewing takes nowadays place in the social media?
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:30 am quote
Re: Vit D and our immune system
RRider wrote:
znomit wrote:
priscillaj wrote:
I have watched youtube vids often about Vit D.
Are there people on Youtube reading peer reviewed scientific papers or is it people spouting anecdotes and conjectures?
Nah...I've always thought peer reviewing takes nowadays place in the social media?
Oh, wait - or is YouTube part of the social media too? Just a sec, I'll google this.. .
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:34 am quote
Re: Vit D and our immune system
RRider wrote:
RRider wrote:
znomit wrote:
priscillaj wrote:
I have watched youtube vids often about Vit D.
Are there people on Youtube reading peer reviewed scientific papers or is it people spouting anecdotes and conjectures?
Nah...I've always thought peer reviewing takes nowadays place in the social media?
Oh, wait - or is YouTube part of the social media too? Just a sec, I'll google this.. .
Darn, I found so many answers I got confused. One was this

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53085640

Now, that relation with 5G and COVID19 though...
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:04 am quote
documented studies on Vit D
Dr John Campbell in the UK gives the published paper referenced during his videos. Plus the Vitamin D pathway has been known for quite a while. I think I've heard studies from the 80's?? but my memory is sketchy on those details. Easily researched on the internet.
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:17 am quote
yes I wear a mask
I do not object to masks at all. I use them anytime I am in a store but not out in the fresh air and no people around. I take all information into consideration. I am working on a degree from YouTube U. Got a ways to go.

My husband used to ask me what I was thinking. Then one day he stopped. It was after I told him that I wondered how the mandarin orange segments got the little skin removed and into the cans so nicely. Inquiring mind.
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:25 am quote
Re: documented studies on Vit D
priscillaj wrote:
but my memory is sketchy on those details.
vitamin D can impact cognitive function as well....just sayin'
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:47 am quote
Vit B12 is also a necessary supplement for some people - I choose to have Marmite on a regular basis! Cask conditioned beer is also a good source...
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:48 am quote
What I have been taking twice a day for more than thirty years is less beautiful than vitamins ... (Creon 10,000)
As a carrier of a disabling disease, I feel that even if taking additional vitamins (but under medical supervision) can bring benefits, nothing is better than trying to take them naturally through food.
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:59 pm quote
Harbinger wrote:
Apparently nearly 1 in 1,000 Americans have now died from Covid-19. That is a number that just makes you numb and realize the extent of this.
Yet you don't need to go far to find people who still think it is either being blown out of proportion or a simple hoax or what ever!
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:10 pm quote
Nearly as many coronavirus deaths in the US as the death toll in 6 years of WW2. Or has it exceeded it by now?

Edit: Just googled it. 330k deaths due to coronavirus, 416k deaths due to WW2, Not far to go!
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:36 pm quote
Mike Holland wrote:
Nearly as many coronavirus deaths in the US as the death toll in 6 years of WW2. Or has it exceeded it by now?

Edit: Just googled it. 330k deaths due to coronavirus, 416k deaths due to WW2, Not far to go!
Still got two months to make it. Equivalent to 4 yrs wwii
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 6:25 pm quote
kshansen wrote:
Yet you don't need to go far to find people who still think it is either being blown out of proportion or a simple hoax or what ever!


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Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:14 pm quote
Sledge wrote:
kshansen wrote:
Yet you don't need to go far to find people who still think it is either being blown out of proportion or a simple hoax or what ever!
I've read stories from nurses in COVID wards with sick patients insisting they don't have it. Unbelievable...
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Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:27 pm quote
DENY, DENY, DENY...
even presidents from "shithole" countries (like Africa) do it.

Somebody said it was "just a 'flu ".
Here is an interesting document regarding combatting influenza.
You may find some common measures that are useful against C-19 as well.
The first page is enough.
The full document is here for those who want the science behind it.

PS - The denialists and refuseniks will just point out that it is a WHO document and what does the WHO know anyway...

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Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:08 am quote
kshansen wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
Apparently nearly 1 in 1,000 Americans have now died from Covid-19. That is a number that just makes you numb and realize the extent of this.
Yet you don't need to go far to find people who still think it is either being blown out of proportion or a simple hoax or what ever!
Statistics ... Beware of them, they're like a double-edged sword.
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Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:22 am quote
Statistics. We used to call that 'massaging the data'.
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Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:44 am quote
I find this picture interestumg that I took this morning. A stark reminder of how long this has been going on.

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Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:05 pm quote
We currently test people twice in quarantine, adding a third test next week for people who come from places with the English variant.
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Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:39 pm quote
znomit wrote:
We currently test people twice in quarantine, adding a third test next week for people who come from places with the English variant.
You will need to add the South African variant too.
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Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:48 am quote
Fudmucker wrote:
znomit wrote:
We currently test people twice in quarantine, adding a third test next week for people who come from places with the English variant.
You will need to add the South African variant too.
Add the italian one too and maybe that won't be enough ...
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Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:47 am quote
I believe the standard test will pick up the new variant however testing is being done for the UK strain as it is more contagious. Good news is they are very sure the vaccines will still work.
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Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:57 am quote
... time is running out ...
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Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:07 am quote
Attila wrote:
... time is running out ...
For what? Oh it is REALLY bad in many places right now but has been for a while. I'm not happy about this and TBH really do not want to catch Covid-19 but the sun will still rise and there will still be a civilization after all this is over and it will be over. Will things be the same? No but humanity has survived worse and we will get past this. Hopefully lessons have been learnt but over time people seem to forget.
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Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:13 am quote
I very much hope so ...
I just learned that i will receive the vaccine in April.
It will be three long months.
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Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:39 pm quote
Harbinger wrote:
I believe the standard test will pick up the new variant however testing is being done for the UK strain as it is more contagious. Good news is they are very sure the vaccines will still work.
Currently everyone who travels here is tested on day three and 12 of their isolation. From midnight on 31 December, all returnees from higher risk countries will be tested on their first day as well. Those testing positive get moved to a dedicated quarantine facility (still a nice hotel but better equipped to manage positive cases).

In the pipeline for mid January, those travelling from high risk countries will need a recent negative test too. This should help limit in transit exposure but is quite controversial (How effective are the tests? Who can afford them? How is this checked at point of departure? Will it bestow a false sense of security?)
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Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:20 pm quote
You certainly have a lot going on there, stay positive and keep up posted.
Congrats on the weight loss. We all need to drop a few pounds so our scoots will be faster!!
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Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:57 pm quote
We got shut down again from midnight last night.
After almost an hour of scolding 'fellow South Africans', Uncle Cyril wielded the stick...!

All beaches, parks and open air recreational areas closed.
Funerals restricted to 50 persons.
Marriages and family gatherings prohibited for 14 days.
All alcohol sales prohibited, both on-site (including restaurants) and off-sales.
Transport of alcohol prohibited as well, so if you have any booze with you on holiday, you cannot bring it home in the car.
Curfew introduced from 9PM to 6AM - all restaurants must close at 8PM.
(Flights departing in the early evening are being cancelled.)

Wearing of masks is now compulsory for everyone at all times and individuals who do not wear them can be arrested, fined and / or imprisoned for up to 6 months.
You may only remove your mask at home or if you are actually consuming food or liquids.

I guess New Year has been cancelled and 2020 extended until further notice...?
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Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:49 am quote
Fudmucker wrote:
We got shut down again from midnight last night.
After almost an hour of scolding 'fellow South Africans', Uncle Cyril wielded the stick...!

All beaches, parks and open air recreational areas closed.
Funerals restricted to 50 persons.
Marriages and family gatherings prohibited for 14 days.
All alcohol sales prohibited, both on-site (including restaurants) and off-sales.
Transport of alcohol prohibited as well, so if you have any booze with you on holiday, you cannot bring it home in the car.
Curfew introduced from 9PM to 6AM - all restaurants must close at 8PM.
(Flights departing in the early evening are being cancelled.)

Wearing of masks is now compulsory for everyone at all times and individuals who do not wear them can be arrested, fined and / or imprisoned for up to 6 months.
You may only remove your mask at home or if you are actually consuming food or liquids.

I guess New Year has been cancelled and 2020 extended until further notice...?
What?!

Wow those are some brutal lockdown rules. Can only remove the mask at home if eating or drinking? Oh a LOT of people are not going to follow that one, hell I wouldn't and I'm OK with wearing a mask. No alcohol? When we are in strict lockdown one of the only stores left open that is not groceries is the LCBO (provincial gov't run liquor store). Oh and cannabis shops allow curbside.

The black market must be giddy with the sales opportunity over there.
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Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:57 am quote
Fudmucker wrote:
znomit wrote:
We currently test people twice in quarantine, adding a third test next week for people who come from places with the English variant.
You will need to add the South African variant too.
The Yarpie pox has reached Aussie already!
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Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:15 am quote
Harbinger wrote:
Fudmucker wrote:
We got shut down again from midnight last night.
After almost an hour of scolding 'fellow South Africans', Uncle Cyril wielded the stick...!

All beaches, parks and open air recreational areas closed.
Funerals restricted to 50 persons.
Marriages and family gatherings prohibited for 14 days.
All alcohol sales prohibited, both on-site (including restaurants) and off-sales.
Transport of alcohol prohibited as well, so if you have any booze with you on holiday, you cannot bring it home in the car.
Curfew introduced from 9PM to 6AM - all restaurants must close at 8PM.
(Flights departing in the early evening are being cancelled.)

Wearing of masks is now compulsory for everyone at all times and individuals who do not wear them can be arrested, fined and / or imprisoned for up to 6 months.
You may only remove your mask at home or if you are actually consuming food or liquids.

I guess New Year has been cancelled and 2020 extended until further notice...?
What?!

Wow those are some brutal lockdown rules. Can only remove the mask at home if eating or drinking? Oh a LOT of people are not going to follow that one, hell I wouldn't and I'm OK with wearing a mask. No alcohol? When we are in strict lockdown one of the only stores left open that is not groceries is the LCBO (provincial gov't run liquor store). Oh and cannabis shops allow curbside.

The black market must be giddy with the sales opportunity over there.
At home or eating. No mask required at home.
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