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Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:12 am quote
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I hope they won't give me the Sputnik vaccine or I will want to buy a Ural!
.....Or turn into a vodka drinking communist
I don't have to worry about that, I was a member of the Italian Communist Party from 1976 to 1980 and then of the Socialist Party for eight years. Hahaha!
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Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:07 am quote
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I don't have to worry about that, I was a member of the Italian Communist Party from 1976 to 1980 and then of the Socialist Party for eight years. Hahaha!
That might frighten some of the guys here...

With the number of political parties in here in South Africa, it is a dinner party subject to me.
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Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:15 am quote
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AstraZeneca, Ema decided: "Safe and effective vaccine" "The benefits of AstraZeneca's vaccine far outweigh its risks. This vaccine is safe and effective to prevent Covid-19," said Emer Cooke, Ema Executive Director . "Now every country can make an informed decision." The "leaflet" will be updated. Draghi: "Vaccinations with AstraZeneca will resume tomorrow"

March 18, 2021 "The Italian government welcomes Ema's pronouncement on the AstraZeneca vaccine. The administration of the Astrazeneca vaccine will resume as early as tomorrow. The priority of the Government remains that of carrying out the greatest number of vaccinations in the shortest possible time". This was stated by Prime Minister Mario Draghi. Aifa: vaccinations with AstraZeneca resume tomorrow "The reasons behind the precautionary ban on the use of vaccine batches, issued on March 15, 2021, have disappeared. Therefore, tomorrow, as soon as the Committee for drugs for human use (Chmp ) will issue its opinion, Aifa will revoke the ban on the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine, thus allowing a complete resumption of the vaccination campaign starting at 3.00 pm ". This was announced by the Italian Medicines Agency itself, after consulting the Minister of Health, the Directorate General for Prevention and the Higher Health Council. Tomorrow at 12.00 a press conference will be held at the headquarters of the Ministry of Health, attended by the general director of Aifa Nicola Magrini, the general director of Prevention Giovanni Rezza and the President of the CSS Franco Locatelli. The Ema verdict "We have come to a conclusion: the AstraZeneca vaccine is effective against coronavirus and the benefits far outweigh the risks, no links have emerged between the vaccine and thromboembolic events. We will do specific studies on the side effects, and we remain confident on vaccines that are fundamental to the challenge we are facing ". This was stated by Emer Cooke, executive director of the European Medicines Agency (Ema), during a press conference on the review of the Astrazeneca vaccines against Covid-19. "The conclusion of the EMA review is that it is a safe and effective vaccine." Emer Cooke said after reviewing AstraZeneca's vaccine-related thrombosis cases. "We will continue to analyze situations, it is a priority" Thrombosis cases after administration of the AstraZeneca vaccine "are lower" than those occurring among the unvaccinated population. This was stated by Sabien Straus, president of the Prac (pharmacovigilance commission) at the press conference of the EMA.

25 rare cases of thromboembolism out of 20 million vaccinated "25 cases" of rare thromboembolic events "out of 20 million vaccinated" with AstraZeneca have been reported. This was stated by the president of the safety commission of the EMA, Sabine Straus. "We completely exclude the connection between these thrombosis events with certain batches of the vaccine." Ema: "Now every country can make an informed decision" "We know that many member states were waiting for safety indications, what the EMA has done is important to continue with vaccinations. Every country can now make an informed decision". This was stated by Emer Cooke, executive director of the European Medicines Agency (Ema) during the press conference following the conclusion of the checks on the AstraZeneca vaccine. The "leaflet" will be updated The AstraZeneca vaccine package insert "must be updated: it is important that it is communicated to the public and healthcare professionals so that they can better learn this information, allowing them to mitigate these side effects". This was stated by Sabien Straus, president of the PRAC. "There are still some uncertainties, we have seen some very rare cases" and we "recommended adding a warning, so that this information is made known to doctors and the public". "We have no evidence of a close correlation between vaccines and thrombosis" "We have analyzed individual cases in different states, the events are lower than those recorded in the rest of the population, there is no link between these blood clot events with the vaccine which is effective against Covid 19 and indeed can reduce the possibility of these events ". So Sabine Straus, president of EMA's Prac (Pharmacovigilance Risk Assessment Committee), regarding the investigation on the Astrazeneca vaccine. "The evidence - he adds - is not enough to decree a close correlation between the vaccine and these events, we will continue to monitor the situation closely, it is very important to highlight that these events are very rare and that they were not highlighted in the clinical trial. remain vigilant, it is important that those who undergo the vaccine are aware of these events that can occur after vaccination ". "We will investigate whether there are risks for those who use the pill" "Among the risk factors there is precisely the intake of the contraceptive pill. We will investigate the link between use of the pill and the possibility of an increased risk of adverse cases for those who are vaccinated" . This was stated by Sabine Straus, head of the Pharmacovigilance Risk Assessment Committee, the Prac. Gb health authority: "No evidence of vaccines cause thrombosis" "There is no evidence that vaccines against covid produced by AstraZeneca and Pfizer / BioNTech cause thrombosis". This is what June Raine, executive director of MHRA, the highest British health authority, said in a statement. "Our thorough and thorough examination - he explained - together with the critical evaluation of leading independent scientists, shows that there is no evidence that venous thrombosis occurs to a greater extent than one might expect in the absence of a vaccine, either. for one vaccine as for the other ". The British authority then adds that a further detailed analysis of five reported cases in the United Kingdom of a "very rare and specific type of blood thrombus" in the brain is underway, but states that no "causal link" has been established with the vaccine.
Fudmucker wrote:
Attila wrote:
I don't have to worry about that, I was a member of the Italian Communist Party from 1976 to 1980 and then of the Socialist Party for eight years. Hahaha!
That might frighten some of the guys here...

With the number of political parties in here in South Africa, it is a dinner party subject to me.
The kids here don't have to worry, it's like I've been vaccinated against the communism virus. Sometimes having experiences like this is useful to have a better view of the world.
Over time I have changed so much that I would not recognize myself since that time, just think that twenty years ago I was offered to take the vows to become a priest from the bishop of my city.
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Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:13 am quote
I'm heading out for my second Pfizer dose in about an hour.
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Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:57 am quote
Tomorrow at this time I'll be heading out for my second of the Moderna vaccine, hoping my response will be better than the last time.
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Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:47 am quote
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I'm heading out for my second Pfizer dose in about an hour.
And I'm back in the office.

Including travel time, it took about an hour less than the first dose.

I know that, compared to others, my time spent getting the vaccine is much longer (my wife's first dose took 20 minutes, mine took 3+ hours). But I went through the County & their Drive-Thru setup. They have 18 "bays", each bay can handle three vehicles. So they're able to vaccinate 54 people at a time. The last numbers I saw were that they're vaccinating about 1000 people per hour.
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Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:06 am quote
Mrs jimc is now eligible for vaccination - along with about 10m other Californians. She managed to get an appointment later this week 90 miles away.
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Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:05 pm quote
Vaccine...?
There's a vaccine!?

By the time it gets here and is offered to me, I will either be deceased, recovered or infected.
Time ticks slowly in Africa.
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Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:54 pm quote
Covid19 - 1 Crazy Year and Counting
Fud,

I expect you have enough open geography to stay away from each other and
avoid the virus.

Despite all the assumptions about contracting Covid, verified or unverified,
they continue to change.

Here is my non-medical input:

1. You do not get Covid from surfaces. All the wiping and sanitizing is mostly unnecessary. Someone infected would have to sneeze directly on a desk top and you would have to immediately rub your face in it.
2. You have to be within 2 feet of someone who blows his spittle or
breath directly on your face.

Despite all this, I got my first pfizer shot and await my second in one week.
I was, at age 72, on top of the list to get vaccinated. I was listed with my neighborhood pharmacy - they called me to come in.

Unconfirmed medical assumption. The malaria and yellow fever vaccine
is very close to the Covid19 vaccine. It may well be that all you ex-military guys may be immune to Covid from your shots years ago in the service.

Best to everyone - my regrets and best wishes for anyone who lost a loved one.

Despite putting forward a full press public relations campaign, you would
think the collective world would be super pissed at China.

That is all for now from Lake Wobegon Minnesota,

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Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:23 pm quote
If the COVID-19 Vaccines Interviewed for a Job
https://youtu.be/u9Op3RVXtD0
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Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:24 pm quote
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Mrs jimc is now eligible for vaccination - along with about 10m other Californians. She managed to get an appointment later this week 90 miles away.
Jim, did she check all the local pharmacies too? Like CVS, Walmart, Walgreens, Safeway,Ö Also check the local hospitals like Sutter and John Muir. Ms Miguel And I got it through local healthcare systems in Santa Cruz.
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Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:14 pm quote
This was CVS! Nothing else around for weeks and weeks now that all over-50's are eligible.
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Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:38 pm quote
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This was CVS! Nothing else around for weeks and weeks now that all over-50's are eligible.
Right! Hope it gets better soon. You two taking scooters or cage?
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Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:22 am quote
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jimc wrote:
This was CVS! Nothing else around for weeks and weeks now that all over-50's are eligible.
Right! Hope it gets better soon. You two taking scooters or cage?
Miguel
Taking the Westy. Having your own porta-potti can be useful these days!

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Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:53 am quote
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Unconfirmed medical assumption. The malaria and yellow fever vaccine is very close to the Covid19 vaccine. It may well be that all you ex-military guys may be immune to Covid from your shots years ago in the service.
Unconfirmed is right! For starters, at this point there is no really reliable malaria vaccine - and nobody got vaccinated against malaria "years ago". And there is no basis to say that yellow fever vaccination has protected anyone from Covid-19. If that were true, why have so many US veterans died from Covid infections? The VA is doing a great job of vaccinating and protecting veterans. You are doing no one any favors by such misleading statements.
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Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:56 am quote
So Tuesday afternoon, after I received the second Pfizer shot, went well. My arm hurt at the injection site (as expected), but otherwise I was fine.

After I got home, and the evening wore on, I felt a little run down, but attributed it to my usual early-week lack of sleep.

I woke up Wednesday morning with a fever and body aches. It wasn't a high fever (98.1, I usually am in the 97 range), but I figured it was enough that the screening staff wouldn't allow me into the building, plus with the body aches, I wouldn't be able to concentrate at work. So I called my boss and told him I was staying home. I took a couple of tylenol & went back to bed at 6:30am, and figured I'd get a couple more hours of sleep in, and see how I felt that afternoon.

Well, I woke up at 1:30pm, and still felt like crap. My body ached and I had a bad headache all evening long. I finally went to bed at 10pm, but woke up every hour & a half to pee. When I work up at 1:30am, I felt much better.

I'm still feeling a bit worn out, but am sure it's just residual reaction to the shot.
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Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:14 am quote
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So Tuesday afternoon, after I received the second Pfizer shot, went well. My arm hurt at the injection site (as expected), but otherwise I was fine.

After I got home, and the evening wore on, I felt a little run down, but attributed it to my usual early-week lack of sleep.

I woke up Wednesday morning with a fever and body aches. It wasn't a high fever (98.1, I usually am in the 97 range), but I figured it was enough that the screening staff wouldn't allow me into the building, plus with the body aches, I wouldn't be able to concentrate at work. So I called my boss and told him I was staying home. I took a couple of tylenol & went back to bed at 6:30am, and figured I'd get a couple more hours of sleep in, and see how I felt that afternoon.

Well, I woke up at 1:30pm, and still felt like crap. My body ached and I had a bad headache all evening long. I finally went to bed at 10pm, but woke up every hour & a half to pee. When I work up at 1:30am, I felt much better.

I'm still feeling a bit worn out, but am sure it's just residual reaction to the shot.
Ms Miguel and most of our friends had the same reaction but many had not reaction. I saw my physician yesterday and he told me that effects can last a couple weeks but decrease in severity over time. As I told my bro, despite the aches and pains, it MUCH better than laying on a cold gurney in a hospital hallway by myself and connected to ventilator struggling to breathe.

Cheers. Miguel
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Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:34 am quote
Got the second Pfizer jab yesterday morning. Just a sore arm so far. Tired. But I think that has more to do with not falling asleep until midnight and being woken up 3 times by my one dog needing to go out.

If any side effects aside from tired and sore Iíll chime back in.


Glad to be able to see other humans soon
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Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:08 pm quote
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Got the second Pfizer jab yesterday morning. Just a sore arm so far. Tired. But I think that has more to do with not falling asleep until midnight and being woken up 3 times by my one dog needing to go out.
Well now that you have your health taken care of maybe it time to see a urologist about that dog?
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Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:35 pm quote
Miguel wrote:
monogodo wrote:
So Tuesday afternoon, after I received the second Pfizer shot, went well. My arm hurt at the injection site (as expected), but otherwise I was fine.

After I got home, and the evening wore on, I felt a little run down, but attributed it to my usual early-week lack of sleep.

I woke up Wednesday morning with a fever and body aches. It wasn't a high fever (98.1, I usually am in the 97 range), but I figured it was enough that the screening staff wouldn't allow me into the building, plus with the body aches, I wouldn't be able to concentrate at work. So I called my boss and told him I was staying home. I took a couple of tylenol & went back to bed at 6:30am, and figured I'd get a couple more hours of sleep in, and see how I felt that afternoon.

Well, I woke up at 1:30pm, and still felt like crap. My body ached and I had a bad headache all evening long. I finally went to bed at 10pm, but woke up every hour & a half to pee. When I work up at 1:30am, I felt much better.

I'm still feeling a bit worn out, but am sure it's just residual reaction to the shot.
Ms Miguel and most of our friends had the same reaction but many had not reaction. I saw my physician yesterday and he told me that effects can last a couple weeks but decrease in severity over time. As I told my bro, despite the aches and pains, it MUCH better than laying on a cold gurney in a hospital hallway by myself and connected to ventilator struggling to breathe.

Cheers. Miguel
Totally agree.

I'm still not feeling 100%. but it's worth it, in my opinion.
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Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:59 pm quote
California to open eligibility to anyone older than 50 on April 1 and older than 16 on April 15.

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Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:17 am quote
Are we all better? I say this because the discussion had gone to the third page of the forum ...
Well ... today I received my first dose of Pfizer vaccine because I am in the frailty range indicated by the Italian Ministry of Health.
Probable side effects noted, an increase in appetite for food but also for human female exponents.
Will it be serious?
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:19 am quote
My wife got the J&J "one and done" vaccination yesterday. Give us a couple of weeks and we will be about ready to rejoin the real world. This past year has seemed like a long time!
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:47 pm quote
I'm the Vice President of a club for another hobby. I'm arranging a club meeting at one members yard in mid June. I dictated that only vaccinated members should come and unvaccinated members should not. So far I've not had any pushback and I am unwavering in my decision that only vaccinated members come. It's a safety issue, not a political issue.

Best
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:03 pm quote
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I'm the Vice President of a club for another hobby. I'm arranging a club meeting at one members yard in mid June. I dictated that only vaccinated members should come and unvaccinated members should not. So far I've not had any pushback and I am unwavering in my decision that only vaccinated members come. It's a safety issue, not a political issue.

Best
Miguel
Yes, it is right but until the infections go down it would be better to keep the precautions, you can still be infected even with the inoculated vaccine and put it in contact with others who have not yet received the vaccine.
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:52 am quote
Finally got my shot yesterday. The AstraZeneca vaccine but Iíll take it. Walked in to the pharmacy and asked how to book an appointment. 5 minutes later someone was sticking a needle in my arm.
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:22 am quote
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Finally got my shot yesterday. The AstraZeneca vaccine but Iíll take it. Walked in to the pharmacy and asked how to book an appointment. 5 minutes later someone was sticking a needle in my arm.
I have many friends who have made AstraZeneca (here it is given to teachers and police) and have had no problems, occasionally vomiting and light fever.
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:44 am quote
Attila wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
Finally got my shot yesterday. The AstraZeneca vaccine but Iíll take it. Walked in to the pharmacy and asked how to book an appointment. 5 minutes later someone was sticking a needle in my arm.
I have many friends who have made AstraZeneca (here it is given to teachers and police) and have had no problems, occasionally vomiting and light fever.
Everyone reacts differently. No matter how bad the side effects from the shot, it's WAAAY better than laying in a cold gurney in a dark hospital hallway on a ventilator by yourself struggling to breathe!

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Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:46 am quote
Attila wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
Finally got my shot yesterday. The AstraZeneca vaccine but Iíll take it. Walked in to the pharmacy and asked how to book an appointment. 5 minutes later someone was sticking a needle in my arm.
I have many friends who have made AstraZeneca (here it is given to teachers and police) and have had no problems, occasionally vomiting and light fever.
It just felt like I had a cold for 3 hours or so. Other than that sore arm at the injection site and I was really tired last night. Today just the sore arm and other than that I feel fine.
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:45 am quote
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Attila wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
Finally got my shot yesterday. The AstraZeneca vaccine but Iíll take it. Walked in to the pharmacy and asked how to book an appointment. 5 minutes later someone was sticking a needle in my arm.
I have many friends who have made AstraZeneca (here it is given to teachers and police) and have had no problems, occasionally vomiting and light fever.
It just felt like I had a cold for 3 hours or so. Other than that sore arm at the injection site and I was really tired last night. Today just the sore arm and other than that I feel fine.
... and after the second shot you will feel even better knowing that even if you take the covid you will not die or you will end up lying on a stretcher breathing compressor air.
Maybe the Pfizer is less annoying but I, as I said, have not had any bother and three days have passed ...
However, here in Italy there are still many who do not want to do it not for the type or brand but precisely because they are deniers!
Excuse me brothers of humanity but often I don't understand people ... and I don't understand why we are not all extinct yet.
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:34 am quote
Everywhere you go right now, you are bombarded with reports of adverse reactions to Covid vaccines. Never mind that possible serious complications are vanishingly rare. And never mind that proceeding with vaccination programs will save many lives and return our planet to something approaching normal life. Why has this become the center of attention at the moment? Partially because of the invariable pop news focus of our mass media. And partially because Covid is on everyoneís mind, I suppose. But letís put this in context. Most of us are aware of the usually rare side effects of commonly used pharmaceuticals such as statins, beta blockers, steroids, anticoagulants, and what-have-you. Certainly the information about drug interactions and potential complications needs to be available Ė but that is not the same thing as beating this current drum to death. If there was a public campaign to convince people to not use the above medications, great harm would be done. And trying to convince many people to avoid, or at least hesitate to accept, the Covid vaccine is likely to have greater adverse consequences for all of us. Once more, we are our own worst enemy.
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:20 pm quote
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Everywhere you go right now, you are bombarded with reports of adverse reactions to Covid vaccines. Never mind that possible serious complications are vanishingly rare. And never mind that proceeding with vaccination programs will save many lives and return our planet to something approaching normal life. Why has this become the center of attention at the moment? Partially because of the invariable pop news focus of our mass media. And partially because Covid is on everyoneís mind, I suppose. But letís put this in context. Most of us are aware of the usually rare side effects of commonly used pharmaceuticals such as statins, beta blockers, steroids, anticoagulants, and what-have-you. Certainly the information about drug interactions and potential complications needs to be available Ė but that is not the same thing as beating this current drum to death. If there was a public campaign to convince people to not use the above medications, great harm would be done. And trying to convince many people to avoid, or at least hesitate to accept, the Covid vaccine is likely to have greater adverse consequences for all of us. Once more, we are our own worst enemy.
In my house (3) we are all vaccinated, my brother does not want to do it because he is more afraid of the uncertain consequences of the vaccine than of the fatal or damaging consequences and outcomes that the virus has. This has brought some tension between him and me because if he does not that, when he comes to visit me I will continue to force him to wear the mask.
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:31 am quote
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Everyone reacts differently. No matter how bad the side effects from the shot, it's WAAAY better than laying in a cold gurney in a dark hospital hallway on a ventilator by yourself struggling to breathe!

Miguel
Well said.

If you believe the antivaxxers, you need to look at the numbers. Of course many ppl will have adverse reactions and some may even die, but it is a tiny fraction compared to all those saved and even more so if we can essentially get our herd properly sorted with only a small percentage remaining unshot.

I got their two shots, you get my two cents and I feel like let out of jail.

If you are reluctant, prefer to take your chances, think of going out riding in T shirt, shorts and flip flops w/ no helmet next time. You won't.
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:12 am quote
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Miguel wrote:
Everyone reacts differently. No matter how bad the side effects from the shot, it's WAAAY better than laying in a cold gurney in a dark hospital hallway on a ventilator by yourself struggling to breathe!

Miguel
Well said.

If you believe the antivaxxers, you need to look at the numbers. Of course many ppl will have adverse reactions and some may even die, but it is a tiny fraction compared to all those saved and even more so if we can essentially get our herd properly sorted with only a small percentage remaining unshot.

I got their two shots, you get my two cents and I feel like let out of jail.

If you are reluctant, prefer to take your chances, think of going out riding in T shirt, shorts and flip flops w/ no helmet next time. You won't.
It reminds me of the old anti-seatbelt arguments: "Someone I heard of got thrown out of their car just before it exploded in flames." Or didn't and burned to death. Can't speak for the dead, but I've heard some compelling histories in my time in-clinic that made me want mine...
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:22 am quote
We have a macabre humorous cartoon where a doctor says to another doctor:
"Today I vaccinated an eighty-year-old but when he was leaving the clinic he was hit and killed by a car and so I told the journalist"
And the other doctor asks: "... and what's strange?"
And the other: "They wrote that he was killed after being vaccinated!"
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Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:01 am quote
Attila wrote:
We have a macabre humorous cartoon where a doctor says to another doctor:
"Today I vaccinated an eighty-year-old but when he was leaving the clinic he was hit and killed by a car and so I told the journalist"
And the other doctor asks: "... and what's strange?"
And the other: "They wrote that he was killed after being vaccinated!"
That is very much the way things can get twisted by stating facts but failing to give the full account of what happened.
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Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:24 am quote
kshansen wrote:
Attila wrote:
We have a macabre humorous cartoon where a doctor says to another doctor:
"Today I vaccinated an eighty-year-old but when he was leaving the clinic he was hit and killed by a car and so I told the journalist"
And the other doctor asks: "... and what's strange?"
And the other: "They wrote that he was killed after being vaccinated!"
That is very much the way things can get twisted by stating facts but failing to give the full account of what happened.
It seems to be dying down now, but for a while I kept reading about how there were excess deaths attributed to COIVD-19 as many of the victims were already sick with some chronic disease. So, if my grandfather is in heart failure and someone pushes him down the stairs, killing him, it's not murder?
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Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:38 am quote
fledermaus wrote:
kshansen wrote:
Attila wrote:
We have a macabre humorous cartoon where a doctor says to another doctor:
"Today I vaccinated an eighty-year-old but when he was leaving the clinic he was hit and killed by a car and so I told the journalist"
And the other doctor asks: "... and what's strange?"
And the other: "They wrote that he was killed after being vaccinated!"
That is very much the way things can get twisted by stating facts but failing to give the full account of what happened.
It seems to be dying down now, but for a while I kept reading about how there were excess deaths attributed to COIVD-19 as many of the victims were already sick with some chronic disease. So, if my grandfather is in heart failure and someone pushes him down the stairs, killing him, it's not murder?
There was talk of no-vax and incomplete or distorted information about the vaccine, I only highlighted how those who are afraid to do so must motivate themselves in some way, even attributing death to other causes.
The macabre story puts his finger on the sore, it is known that getting sick is only a matter of time even though I take all the precautions ...
The virus is now endemic, it will not go away, the vaccine serves to avoid fatal consequences and permanent damage if i survives it.
Anyone who does not want to do so is free but plays russian roulette with death.
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Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:31 am quote
Attila wrote:
The virus is now endemic, it will not go away, the vaccine serves to avoid fatal consequences and permanent damage if i survives it.
Anyone who does not want to do so is free but plays russian roulette with death.
Agreed, Covid-19 is not going away anytime soon. We may even need to get annual boosters tuned in to the current variants at the time . Big Pharma I'm sure is banking on that to help recoup the cost of so quickly creating vaccines. I wouldn't at all surprised if the annual flu shot becomes a combined flu/covid shot.

Hopefully in the near(ish) future we get the numbers down to a small percentage of where we are now. Herd immunity is a tough call, really that depends on how many anti-vaxxers there are as well as how well developing nations do at controlling this. This is where the WHO becomes so important and partially why it needs to exist. There are a LOT of arm on this planet that need a jab and that is no small feat.

You can say anti-vaxxers have a right to their decision and maybe they do. However by not getting vaccinated they make herd immunity more difficult (impossible?) to achieve and they cost us all money as the medical costs of treating a severely ill Covid-19 patient is not cheap. If we fail to help the countries that need aid in vaccinating their populations and/or a large % of people refuse to get the vaccine we are in trouble. Covid-19 will just continue to mutate and we may all need to keep getting boosters. I believe that normally viruses get weaker as they mutate but Covid-19 apparently did not get that memo.
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Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:16 am quote
I've had an interesting email from a friend who has suffered for years with the long-term effects of Lyme disease.

She had some unpleasant reactions to the first shot (Pfizer), not much reaction to the second, but just a few days after the second shot many of her symptoms arising from Lyme have disappeared. Chronic fatigue - gone, etc etc.
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