Time capsule... 63 GL
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:26 pm quote
Lot of winter projects/finds popping up.
Figure I'd post one that I found last week.
Person I bought it from pulled it from his basement where it sat for ~35 years. Last road-worthy in '72. PO said he and his father found it at a sidewalk sale in non-running condition when he was 15. They pushed each other around on it a few times but never had it running. It went into the basement and sat as a future project. Life happened and they never got around to it. Motor is not locked, all levers and grips move freely.

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rear rim on backwards

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Blue rivets!! Thanks rowdyc for the GL info.

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Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:30 pm quote
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:32 pm quote
Man another beautiful find! So good. Looking forward to seeing it done.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:44 pm quote
Wow
Thatís stellar! Keep us posted.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:54 pm quote
Well done!

Rare GL's and old Sprints, even a dead SS180 all over the place these days it seems.

I like those stylish but practical safety reflectors, hope you can find a proper mate!

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Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:57 pm quote
Wow wow wow... What a find! GLs are so pretty. That one should clean up nicely! Iím terribly envious of these finds - I look just about every day here and there on various sites, and Iíve yet to see anything even remotely close to ďbarn findĒ status.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:18 pm quote
Wow, beautiful! Great find.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:49 pm quote
Lovely GL
Very nice find. I do hope that you keep it as original as possible. It is getting harder to locate little time capsules, like this GL. Such a good runner once you get it up and going. I had a similar one when I lived in San Francisco. I rode it all over the city. So fun. Enjoy.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:54 pm quote


Lots of nice stuff here... envious
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:38 am quote
Beautiful. Here's my '64 Motovespa 150S , in front, parked next to a GL at a local Carbs and Caffeine a few years ago.

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Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:34 am quote
Another great find, their really coming out of the woodwork lately.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:50 am quote
I think I know why it didn't run....
No spark so decided to investigate. Pulled the flywheel to find longer screws (possibly mixed up with the fan shroud screws) in the dust cover cut through the primary coil windings along with a sheared key.

New one on the way, but in the meantime, I figure I would join the loose ends and see what happens. Losing two turns on the primary coil can't make too much difference.... I hope.

Gapped the points, put it back together and we have spark!

Now the fuel system.

Found what looks to be original tools in the side box and an unknown-to-me brand of spark plug.

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coil wires cut

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Temporary fix until new coil arrives

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original tools perhaps?

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pink ceramic with Magneti Marelli brand plug

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Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:37 am quote
outstanding you are going to love the GL it's one of the best.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:42 am quote
That Marelli spark plug is original to the scoot for sure. Italian maker. Known for their Pink Plugs.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:59 am quote
Those are the original Vespa tools that would have come in a roll for repair on your scooter, as described in the owner's manual included when your GL was purchased new. Nice find. If you want to keep that period correct look, rolls without tools can be found fairly easily. The tools are usually the missing component.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:04 am quote
Iím so digging this ...
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:32 am quote
Congratulations on your great new project! Your GL is beautiful, and perfectly 'rough'. Straighten her up, a little buff and polish, new motor bits and you're good to go! We'd love to see this thing cruising in original trim but all cleaned up. Good work on the spark situation, that's a win already!
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:29 am quote
p.s. As you probably noticed, one of the flywheel fan screws is missing. You should replace it before you fire the engine up.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:45 am quote
are both the Engine & Frame a VNL2?
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:06 pm quote
ph0ngvu wrote:
are both the Engine & Frame a VNL2?
VLA1T frame and VLA1M engine. 1963 from what I have searched online.
SoCalGuy wrote:
p.s. As you probably noticed, one of the flywheel fan screws is missing. You should replace it before you fire the engine up.
Yes, I did, thanks. I found two of the short screws in the fan shroud holes and put them all back into the flywheel so they don't cut anything else up inside!
Birdsnest wrote:
That Marelli spark plug is original to the scoot for sure. Italian maker. Known for their Pink Plugs.
Did not know that. Thanks for the insight. Figured it was Italian by the name. It will stay in the side box!
Gabriel25 wrote:
Those are the original Vespa tools that would have come in a roll for repair on your scooter, as described in the owner's manual included when your GL was purchased new. Nice find. If you want to keep that period correct look, rolls without tools can be found fairly easily. The tools are usually the missing component.
I will keep an eye out for the roll. Are we talking eBay or somewhere else?
GeekLion wrote:
Congratulations on your great new project! Your GL is beautiful, and perfectly 'rough'. Straighten her up, a little buff and polish, new motor bits and you're good to go! We'd love to see this thing cruising in original trim but all cleaned up. Good work on the spark situation, that's a win already!
Thank you. I am not planning on painting it. Been scraping off the dirt and grime and paint is pretty good underneath.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:37 pm quote
Gabriel25 wrote:
Those are the original Vespa tools that would have come in a roll for repair on your scooter, as described in the owner's manual included when your GL was purchased new. Nice find. If you want to keep that period correct look, rolls without tools can be found fairly easily. The tools are usually the missing component.
I will keep an eye out for the roll. Are we talking eBay or somewhere else?

The last time I saw the empty rolls (just the original tool holder with no tools) was on a Facebook group. I am sure if you ask for such a thing on one of the accessory pages you will get some responses. I am sort of looking myself, although I have not put any real energy into it just yet.
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Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:34 am quote
Slow progress....
While waiting for parts, I attended to some of the aesthetic duties. It cleaned up okay. Need to put some elbow grease in it to get a shine.
New rubber bits here and there. Found a touch up paint job and a little bondo on the right cover and front fender. Pretty good paint match, it doesn't bother me. Banged out most of the easy, larger dents and straightened the trim best I could. I am torn on the leg shield... if I fix it, I will have to replace the trim... still deciding.
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I like those stylish but practical safety reflectors, hope you can find a proper mate!

Couldn't find a matching reflector, Voodoo, so I removed the lone one for now until I can find a partner.



There was a bit of play in the headset. Found the steering bearings were shot! No cage left in the lower, steering stop bent, top bearing missing bearings. Replaced both bearings and was able to bend the stop back decently. Shifter cables and front brake cable changed along with servicing the front hub. I think they might be the original made-in-France Michelins on the scoot. Or were all the early ones Ceat? Speedo shows 1800 clicks but the speedo cable is broken so who knows...

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Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:45 am quote
wow I'd be proud
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Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:19 am quote
That is amazing.

OG paint looks soooo good.
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Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:26 am quote
Hibbert and Birdsnest, thanks for all the kind, encouraging comments.

So about ready to tackle the bad coil and uncovered more issues. To be expected for wiring that is over 50 years old. Solder time!!

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crumbly wiring

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Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:47 am quote
Corrections
If you are interested in getting some of the dent out of the legshield (the area on the side) and engine side cowl (looks like there is a pressure dent above the louvers towards the front of the cowl, on the side), try wrapping a dead blow hammer with a microfiber cloth and making your adjustments. For the legshielld, I would also wrap a small block of wood with a cloth to use as a backstop on the front of the legshield while you strike the back with the dead blow hammer. And for the cowl, remove it, lay it outside down, on a low pile carpet, and strike the inside where you would like the correction. I have performed countless repairs like this on original paint scooters (to preserve while repairing) and it works. If you don't have a dead blow hammer you can get one cheap at Harbor Freight and Tools. Keep in mind that you want to strike with the flat of the hammer as much as possible so as not to do anything but allow the metal memory to reform the scooter back to the form it was stamped when new. This is one of the scooters I have done this to and it came out very well. My GS160 had a legshield dent from a rack, and good sized dent on the engine side cowl, and both are hard to see at all now. Hope this helps, whatever your goals are for your GL.

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Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:52 am quote
Cleans up well. Coming along nicely!
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Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:28 pm quote
This is awesome. One day when I have a little more time and garage space, I would to find a neglected old Vespa and do a full restoration.
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:50 am quote
I agree with Gab125, straighten it out with the trim in place if it bothers you. What's the worst that would happen, you mess up the trim? You may be able to do this with a fews block of wood and a strong C-clamp as well. Good luck, that is an amazing looking scoot, keep up the good work.
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:28 pm quote
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Gab25 and Tierny, great tips and suggestions. I will definitely go that route. Great looking GS Gab25!

Been awhile since I got to mess with the GL.

Soldered new wires to the stator and put on the new coil and I got a bright-blue spark. Finally got it to start but it wouldn't idle. Had to keep blipping the throttle to keep it running. Found little to no oil in the gearbox. I am guessing a leaky crank seal. Time to pull the engine.

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Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:36 pm quote
Wow thatís cleaning up great! What are you going to do with the lump?
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:54 pm quote
Nice work poidog.

Iím curious... does your GL have a number stamped on the inside of the frame in the rear wheel well, left side? Found this stamped on mine. Itís not the frame number. Wondering what it is.

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Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:24 am quote
love me a nice GL
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:12 am quote
Plans for the lump are full rebuild. No mods, as of now... it's a 2-port and I know the options and potential are limited without some work. Just clean and make it run well, replace the consumables. In the meantime, I do have a proxy engine that I am planning to put in to get it ride-able so I can work out any other issues that present themselves.

SoCalGuy, I do have a number there and it is different than yours... batch number perhaps? Encrypted date code? Expiration date? No idea.

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Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:16 am quote
Those are 2020 lottery numbers boys. Get your tickets now!
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:59 am quote
My 63 GL has one too

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