Yamaha Niken...why?
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:08 pm quote
Went to the big Progressive Motorcycle show with my stepson and saw this thing. I was perplexed as to why I no longer see scooters at this show, no vespas, or Piaggios or MP3ís , but here is this thing, with everyone fussing over it.

Whatever advantages the MP3 has, locking wheels, huge under seat storage.The ability to ride 2 up. Twist and go capability. The Niken has none of that. Which makes it a huge bummer.

So I am perplexed as to what the advantages are for this thing. The only selling point seems to be taking on curves and that seems like a very narrow and specific design.




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Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:16 pm quote
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It looks like a Transformer and I can't see a downside yet.

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Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:50 pm quote
Years ago Yamaha built a bike with a pivoting hub and sort of a swing arm front end. I see a pillion pad so I would guess you could carry a passenger. If the Japanese didn't try something different there would be no four cylinder bikes, no flat six Gold Wings or a host of other designs we take for granted now.
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:01 pm quote
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So what looks best the Yamaha or an MP3 of any age ?

I like it because it's insane

Well done to the design team who thought this up.

Actually I'll ask the same question. MP3, Why ?

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Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:11 pm quote
... many Chinese and Taiwanese scooter owners forget who they owe their vehicles, without the Japanese industry there would have been no one.
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:21 pm quote
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I have no idea what that means.

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Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:35 pm quote
The same "Why?" could be applied to a Can-Am Spyder and Ryker. I'm not the intended market for any of these weird things myself but I do appreciate the innovation and interesting looks of them.
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:36 pm quote
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I'd even go so far as to suggest that the Yamaha is better than an MP3 because it's lighter, faster, Japanese, looks better, carries more, handles better and is all round more capable than the alternative.

Oh, and the head bearings won't fail.

I'd love to have a go on one but then again I'm not narrow minded.

I'm taking a guess at the reason that the Italian manufacturers weren't represented at the show is because it's expensive to do so and as sales of scooters were down in the US last year maybe they felt it was a waste of money.

It's only a guess though.

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Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:56 pm quote
Re: Yamaha Niken...why?
Belkwinith wrote:
So I am perplexed as to what the advantages are for this thing. The only selling point seems to be taking on curves and that seems like a very narrow and specific design.
One of the MP3 advantages with 3 wheels was how "planted" and stable the bike felt, especially on bumps. I attributed this to the fact when one front wheel was bouncing off the ground because it hit a bump or hole, the other wheel was solidly planted on the road, especially while turning/leaning. One a single front wheel, the bike can actually moves sideways a bit if the bump causes the front wheel to lose contact with the road surface. That's my thought anyway.

Attila has a 3-wheeled Yamaha. I'm sure he'll have something to say about it once its daylight in Italy and he's had a cappuccino.

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BTW, how did you determine the fuses were all good?
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:28 pm quote
Safety, lower entry (/re-entry) barrier while still being sporty and powerfull... I believe Yamaha is simply trying out new ways to attract people towards their products.

I saw the thing in a local bike show the last year. It attracted a lot of attention, but I've yet to see one on the road. Our's is a very traditional bike market, big touring bikes (including the boxer GS) and lately 'adventure' bikes dominate the tiny markets.

Oddly, we have a disproportionately large share of the previous model of these... so I'll expect to see these rather than Nikens around

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Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:53 pm quote
Why not?? Itís a motorcycle, itís NOT for beginners, itís fast, it looks fantastic, it has the amazing CP3 engine and itís Japanese. The only thing common with the MP3 is that they are both 3 wheelers...

If I could afford one at the moment it would be a no brainer...
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:53 pm quote
Fortnine did a video last year where they hypothesized that Yamaha is working towards a motorcycle-esque vehicle that can be ridden with a class C license:

"Why the Yamaha Niken Makes Sense"
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:52 am quote
Competition

... sometimes there is no rational reason to make an object, sometimes it is only marketing; I remember that when Honda built the CX 500 Turbo other manufacturers also did it ... for what reason? It wasn't there, there were already very powerful motorcycles without the turbo and it was only an ephemeral moment.
Question: what is the use of a three-wheeled scooter?
Apparently those with only two are enough, yet there are many three-wheeled scooters today and the advantages are few, at least in the eyes of those who use the vehicle "just for fun"; but in everyday use?
The perspective changes though little, greater safety and stability but greater weight and bulk, same habitability ...
Strange is not it? Yet many of them are sold, the answer (for me) is obvious and those who own one don't take it badly ...
The world of two-wheeled vehicles is mainly made up of people who see it as a passion but also as a way to experience different sensations than driving a car and those who build them know it, sensations ... this is the answer!
The Yamaha Niken from sensations that no other motorcycle (to date) makes you feel, the Japanese manufacturers are in eternal competition to move the market but also to compete with each other, among them it is a matter of honor that is expressed by producing a variety of solutions techniques that we customers enjoy. Am I wrong? Posterity will judge...but be careful, indecision is an ugly beast

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Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:21 am quote
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I'm going to save you all a whole bunch of time.

If you don't make it people can't buy it.

You're welcome.

Thank you for calling.

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Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:31 am quote
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Why not?? Itís a motorcycle, itís NOT for beginners, itís fast, it looks fantastic, it has the amazing CP3 engine and itís Japanese. The only thing common with the MP3 is that they are both 3 wheelers...

If I could afford one at the moment it would be a no brainer...
I fully agree. This IS a motorcycle and definitely is not a beginner bike. Nothing against the MP3 as it does serve a purpose but the similarity stops there. Iíd love to ride one of these and am interested to see where they go with the concept.

It gets attention at the bike shows because it is innovative whereas the MP3 has looked pretty much the same for a while. Piaggio needs to sexy it up a bit.
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:40 am quote
Well, it looks bad-ass, but if I wanted something with three wheels I would have a motorcycle with a sidecar (hack). Maybe a newer Ural? Those really look bad-ass. But kudos to Yamaha, who I think make the best motorcycles in the world.
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You can swear, between motorcycles and scooters i have had seven of this brand. Impeccable technical assistance.
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:06 am quote
The "Why' in question is my own.

I owned a MP3 400 for a few years. It was a great machine. However what ever I thought was a great advantage, was removed from this particular version of the vehicle.

I guess I should have stated myself better in the original post.

When I owned the MP3, most bikers would rail on me or laugh when I used it.

But now they seem to want to try it. Because it's all about the curves and riding.

When I owned my MP3 400, it was all about the locking wheels, no side stands and easy mounting and dismounting for passengers. Not to mention the huge storage under the seat and into even a mini trunk. I could push it out, or push it back for ease with parking. I wouldn't have to hold it up when I was caught at train tracks. I would just lock the wheels and sit there.

Those were all the advantage I loved that were removed from this version. So I was just wondering why, what I thought were advantages, ended up removed from this version?

It just seems like a huge, chunky machine to own, just to have a "different" ride on curves. Not enough advantages for me to consider getting one. But I guess it has appeal to many others, who maybe wouldn't consider a MP3 but would consider purchasing this.
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:34 am quote
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Well they weren't removed as that would imply that they have been taken off this machine.

Yamaha just didn't deem them as necessary and I'm with that.

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Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:35 am quote
Yamaha Niken - Scooters at the Motorcycle Show
Belkwinith,

I saw the same machine at the Yamaha Exhibit while looking for Yamaha
Scooters. It is a beast. They had tore open relief of the two front wheel
forks to show how it worked. It is a MP3 on steroids without any storage.

All the local dealers use to be at the Annual Motorcycle Show. They have been
pushed out by the $10,000 floor space charge that use to be $500 five years ago. Honda, Suzuki and BMW had a few scooters. I do enjoy looking at motorcycles but the annual international motorcycle show is not for scooter lovers anymore. All the local dealers (Nolonger at the show) use to bring all their scooter brands to the show. Kind of sad, no Vespas at the show.

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Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:57 am quote
Belkwinith...sorry if i allow myself to contradict you but the question is that, as they say from my area, "Piaggio slept on it" at the design of its three-wheeler. The other brands are not, they are doing other projects ... they thought that if there were those who bought a three-wheeled scooter, they would also buy a three-wheeled motorcycle and in fact they sell them.
Do you know what the price is? Ä 15,000
https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/gb/en/products/motorcycles/sport-touring/niken/
There are many ...
And since we are on the subject I make a clarification, the small Tricity in stop do not stand alone, is light (160 kg), does more than 40 km with a liter of gasoline, wears a full-face helmet under the saddle and the price is of Ä 4,600. No one else offers a light three-wheeled vehicle at such a low price and used here it is easily found at Ä 1000 less and in excellent condition. (mine, paid 3600 Ä with 400 km).

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Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:03 am quote
I am not totally sure, but here's my guess: the reason why people like motorcycles (and not scooters) is that they like to "stroke" by their left foot. And you guys know what I mean by "stroke".
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:42 am quote
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I am not totally sure, but here's my guess: the reason why people like motorcycles (and not scooters) is that they like to "stroke" by their left foot. And you guys know what I mean by "stroke".
It's so ...
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:09 pm quote
Does that mean that people who ride Stellas stroke with their left hand?
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:41 pm quote
RoBo Cop Bad to the Bone in general just plain mean looking .
When I showed up at my bike club meeting on my MP3 it got looks .
If I showed up with a Nikken it would have people wanting to ride it .
Oh well it is not going to happen if I could afford it there would be
............ well not a Nikken .
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:08 am quote
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RoBo Cop Bad to the Bone in general just plain mean looking .
When I showed up at my bike club meeting on my MP3 it got looks .
If I showed up with a Nikken it would have people wanting to ride it .
Oh well it is not going to happen if I could afford it there would be
............ well not a Nikken .
But what do you care what other people think or say? The important thing is that you like your vehicle ...
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Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:56 pm quote
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If I didn't have much charisma or was insecure I'd look at buying a Niken as I'd wallow in the attention that it would bring me.

I'd park it up and act like I didn't know what I'd bought when secretly I knew I was using it as a magnet to draw people toward me.

I'd take so many pictures.

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Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:12 pm quote
I saw one filling up with fuel a couple of weeks ago on a country ride. An ugly meanass looking beast in the flesh but sure a head turner. Not my cuppa tea.
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Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:15 am quote
I read a review a while ago on this. The reviewer let some ordinary motorcyclists have a go. Some simply wouldn't, they were less that complimentary about it, saying it wasn't a real motorcycle. The ones that overcame prejudice and got their arse on the seat and rode it loved it. Bikers are a very odd bunch of people.
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I saw one filling up with fuel a couple of weeks ago on a country ride. An ugly meanass looking beast in the flesh but sure a head turner. Not my cuppa tea.
You have to try little Tricity ... like drinking your tea in a glass.
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I think one of the few downsides of this bike is that when the owner comes to sell it I doubt there will be many takers.

It's also going to be really hard to value.

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Bill Dog wrote:
I think one of the few downsides of this bike is that when the owner comes to sell it I doubt there will be many takers.

It's also going to be really hard to value.

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This i grant you ... in fact here the three wheels quickly drop in value ...
I remind you that mine, albeit small, fell by Ä 1000 in just four months from the first registration (4800 - 1000 = Ä 3800) including anti-theft (200 Ä) and hand guards (80 Ä).
If you like this type you just have to ambush outside the dealer, sooner or later someone will fall.
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Bill Dog wrote:
I think one of the few downsides of this bike is that when the owner comes to sell it I doubt there will be many takers.

It's also going to be really hard to value.

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This i grant you ... in fact here the three wheels quickly drop in value ...
I remind you that mine, albeit small, fell by Ä 1000 in just four months from the first registration (4800 - 1000 = Ä 3800) including anti-theft (200 Ä) and hand guards (80 Ä).
If you like this type you just have to ambush outside the dealer, sooner or later someone will fall.
Unless you are really lucky a motorbike is generally not a good investment and resale value should not be a primary factor when deciding what to buy. Buy what your heart tells you and something you are capable of riding. Vespas do pretty well when it comes to resale but I know for a fact all the money I sank in to upgrading mine is not going to add much to the value. Also once the HPE models start hitting the used market the pre HPE scoots will lose value if they haven't already.
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Yes Harb ... here it happens regularly every time a new model is released, dealers often make big discounts on models to be registered but unsold; excellent deals can be made especially when moving from the previous anti-pollution legislation ... example from Euro 3 to Euro 4.
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Bill Dog wrote:
I think one of the few downsides of this bike is that when the owner comes to sell it I doubt there will be many takers.

It's also going to be really hard to value.

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can't hardly find used ones, I have been looking. The few that do come up are priced as high as a new one.
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