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Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:18 pm quote
Hi,

Does this scoot look solid or bodge? It's not very close by so i'd appreciate any feedback. I did post in General but it was suggested to post here. Thanks in advance.

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Molto Verboso
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:21 pm quote
Just on quick glance, leg shield at the top along the trim looks suspect. Shouldn't be wavy like that. Hard to tell from the photos but I'd get real close and look in all the hard to reach areas to see if they are hiding issues under flat black paint. I'll defer to others with more experience if things are incorrect for the model.
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:35 pm quote


Ameribodged Super still on 8" tires, so if the price is OK, there's no cancer and the motor isn't trashed, go buy it if the papers are in order. I did the same thing but mine was spray bombed yellow instead, which is currently being removed here Unpainting a scooter Same bike slightly older coz this one has rectangular badge on leggy top.

Crappy 2 piece aftermarket leggy trim can be replaced with a little effort to look like this bike with original style trim now installed right (jump to the last page if you like) 62 Allstate Cruisaire - getting it back on the road
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:26 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:


Ameribodged Super still on 8" tires, so if the price is OK, there's no cancer and the motor isn't trashed, go buy it if the papers are in order. I did the same thing but mine was spray bombed yellow instead, which is currently being removed here Unpainting a scooter Same bike slightly older coz this one has rectangular badge on leggy top.

Crappy 2 piece aftermarket leggy trim can be replaced with a little effort to look like this bike with original style trim now installed right (jump to the last page if you like) 62 Allstate Cruisaire - getting it back on the road
. Whoa! That is awesome! Wish I had the time and know how to do al that. Thanks so much for your input!
bodgemaster
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:23 pm quote
Yeah, I think Voodoo's right... it's a 60's Super "resto mod". Still on 8's which is good. Prior owner probably tried to spruce it up and make it cooler with satin black paint, murdered out horn, stand, levers, hubs, badge, stripe, etc... I kinda like it.

Missing center mat, funky leg shield trim, repop floor rails missing some rubber, repop seat, grips and mud guard are from a later model, speedo looks like a repop. Some ripples under the paint. Nothing major.

How's it run?
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:46 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Yeah, I think Voodoo's right... it's a 60's Super "resto mod". Still on 8's which is good. Prior owner probably tried to spruce it up and make it cooler with satin black paint, murdered out horn, stand, levers, hubs, badge, stripe, etc... I kinda like it.

Missing center mat, funky leg shield trim, repop floor rails missing some rubber, repop seat, grips and mud guard are from a later model, speedo looks like a repop. Some ripples under the paint. Nothing major.

How's it run?
He says it runs great and starts with one kick. Also showed me the before pic and said it was restored at Mossimoís Vespa shop in Costa Mesa. Heís an Italian Vespa only guy who is really good and not cheap. We go there for parts. I can actually see that it is there in the shop. I recognize it. I still have a scoot (a viet -bodge) I bought last year and donít want to make that mistake again. Itís still sitting in my backyard. I want to be sure itís safe to ride, but I might enjoy this one while that one gets work done or I might get told itís beyond help. I will take it soon to have it completely gone through. I explain all that to say thanks so much for your time in looking at and answering my questions! Itís very much appreciated!
Molto Verboso
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:59 pm quote
Hey guys, not meaning to rain on anyoneís parade. Iíve been doing a LOT of photo composition work and several of those pics look SO SHOPPED or is it just me?
Ossessionato
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:01 pm quote
where do you live? maybe you might find an MV'er to go with you to check it since you got hosed on a bodge before. I think you are on the right track to buy something from a more vetted source, though.
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:08 pm quote
Soul Surfer wrote:
Hey guys, not meaning to rain on anyoneís parade. Iíve been doing a LOT of photo composition work and several of those pics look SO SHOPPED or is it just me?
you can rain.... Iím just not too good at that 🤦🏻‍♀️
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:13 pm quote
sdjohn wrote:
where do you live? maybe you might find an MV'er to go with you to check it since you got hosed on a bodge before. I think you are on the right track to buy something from a more vetted source, though.
Iíll be going with my hubs
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:56 pm quote
If it was restored at Massimoís, email Massimo with these pictures and ask him to shed some light on it. Heís very easy to deal with.
Molto Verboso
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:56 pm quote
I've done extensive Photoshop work for many years. I don't think there is anything glaringly shopped in those images on visual inspection, except maybe one has some strange perspective going on.. most likely from the camera angle and lens. Not to say it's definitely not shopped, but unless you were to send the images through some digital forensics software, I don't see any of these issues you are concerned about. The only thing that concerns me is the flat black paint job that seems to be painted over a frame that didn't have dents removed from prior to painting.
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:23 pm quote
For me it would come down to price, my similar spray bombed Super was a grand w/ a fresh LML motor in it and I felt that was a good number but would have gone a little higher knowing the original paint underneath is mostly OK. Bonus points here if correct motor and rebuilt by Massimo.
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:31 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
For me it would come down to price, my similar spray bombed Super was a grand w/ a fresh LML motor in it and I felt that was a good number but would have gone a little higher knowing the original paint underneath is mostly OK. Bonus points here if correct motor and rebuilt by Massimo.
I emailed Massimo about it. Waiting for him to answer. And seller is down to 2k from 2500
Sergeant at Arms
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:07 pm quote
looks like a run of the mill american market super to me. it's got script badges so it's early, and it's still rolling on 8's so the likelihood of this being from SEA is pretty slim. but, always have due diligence. get the info and inspect, you never know.

i'm thinking somebody spray bombed it in their garage after getting a mechanical once over from a shop and now is trying to adios it.

-g
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:18 pm quote
2muchfun wrote:
V oodoo wrote:
For me it would come down to price, my similar spray bombed Super was a grand w/ a fresh LML motor in it and I felt that was a good number but would have gone a little higher knowing the original paint underneath is mostly OK. Bonus points here if correct motor and rebuilt by Massimo.
I emailed Massimo about it. Waiting for him to answer. And seller is down to 2k from 2500
2500 is about right if it was original and it is not. The paint and other bits brings the price down to 1500 if it's not from Asia, IMO. It will take more cash to get it back to something close to original but at least it's rideable now. Or wait for the $2k p200 to pop up.
Hooked
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:26 pm quote
The front fender lip looks a bit beat up also.
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:00 pm quote
greasy125 wrote:
looks like a run of the mill american market super to me. it's got script badges so it's early, and it's still rolling on 8's so the likelihood of this being from SEA is pretty slim. but, always have due diligence. get the info and inspect, you never know.

i'm thinking somebody spray bombed it in their garage after getting a mechanical once over from a shop and now is trying to adios it.

-g
Put a fork in it, it's done. Just go inspect and buy it if mostly:

1 Massimo blesses the motor
2 the guy will do 1500 (optional)
3 the paint was done carefully and still sticks well everywhere
4 you sorta approve of the color( I kinda do)
5 you'd rather ride this Spring w/ minor tinkering on a "stockish"? bike
6 you aren't looking for a long winded and expensive restoration project.
7 papers are in order (again, optional depending on...)

This front fender is on an older Vespa and that is perfectly normal, wanna see mine?

You done good with the detailed pics!
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:08 pm quote
Why would someone pay Massimo to mechanically freshen up the bike, only to rattle can it muffler black? Seems suspect. I'm guessing they only work on bikes they want to. I've purchased items from him several times over time, and he strikes me as a purist from what I've gathered. They do nice restorations and fantastic bodywork. The bike looks all there and could make a good rider if it's mechanically sound or close to being so
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:11 pm quote
i'd second on Voodoo. ask massimo what all was done and then formulate your decision from there. if it was a mechanical rebuild (including the motor) 2K is pretty fair. if it was just a fluff & fold/get it running kinda deal, then i'd offer less than asking.

the color doesn't bother me in so much as you can't really hide a multitude of sins under that. i'd be more concerned with provenance and paperwork (i.e. tags, title, back fees).

if, as i suspect, it's american market you'd do well to snap it up-- even at asking price. early script badge supers don't come up often.

from there, the sky's the limit. you wanna upgrade motor or suspension it's all doable. or, like V said, you can just cruise all spring and summer and decide on what you wanna do next winter.

-g
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:23 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
greasy125 wrote:
looks like a run of the mill american market super to me. it's got script badges so it's early, and it's still rolling on 8's so the likelihood of this being from SEA is pretty slim. but, always have due diligence. get the info and inspect, you never know.

i'm thinking somebody spray bombed it in their garage after getting a mechanical once over from a shop and now is trying to adios it.

-g
Put a fork in it, it's done. Just go inspect and buy it if mostly:

1 Massimo blesses the motor
2 the guy will do 1500 (optional)
3 the paint was done carefully and still sticks well everywhere
4 you sorta approve of the color( I kinda do)
5 you'd rather ride this Spring w/ minor tinkering on a "stockish"? bike
6 you aren't looking for a long winded and expensive restoration project.
7 papers are in order (again, optional depending on...)

This front fender is on an older Vespa and that is perfectly normal, wanna see mine?

You done good with the detailed pics!
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Thanks!
He did bless the motor!
I do like to color!

Yes, I want to see your scoot!
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:48 pm quote
Perhaps I overgeneralized and should have just said normal for my Vespas, I'm sure there are many perfectly undamaged mudguards out there, likely owned by more careful or anal ppl, and I think I've even seen a few.

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MOSTLY courtesy of #2 son

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even my "newest", poor thing

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there are more, and even worse
(your leggy trim wants to look similar, but BETTER than this)

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Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:56 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
Perhaps I overgeneralized and should have just said normal for my Vespas, I'm sure there are many perfectly undamaged mudguards out there, likely owned by more careful or anal ppl, and I think I've even seen a few.
Those look very much enjoyed! Love Ďem! Thanks for sharing!
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