62 Allstate re assembly help!
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:07 am quote
The rest of your paint is soooo good! So... if it doesnít match after cleaning and polishing... I would have a paint shop try and match the color from the body of your scoot and have them shoot the fender. Should be pretty affordable and it wil look right when the scoot is all buttoned up.

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Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:09 am quote
I vote paint match as well, won't matter if it isn't perfect, it will be better than any contrasting / different color
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:51 am quote
maybe Qascooter has a paint code from his recent Allstate work?
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:42 am quote
I'd definitely think he should take something from the scooter to the paint shop and have it matched, rather than relying on color code stuff.
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:49 am quote
^^^^

That's what I did on my P.
Use a cowl or headset and have them match color to that.

UV damage and age, etc will make a difference and will be a closer match than the OG paint code would be.
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:01 am quote
Agreed! going to have a part matched today! THX
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:02 am quote
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Definitely get the paint custom matched to your existing paint. Paint codes are only good for a new paint job. Once you put that paint out in the sun for any period of time, the color shifts under the UV rays. Plus, even a paint code can be mixed slightly different each time, manufacturers differ; etc... Get it matched and be sure!
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Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:16 pm quote
Got the paint matched and sanded and sprayed in this punk rock spray booth. Really just a barrier cause it was windy AF here today. Looks good enough! Post better pic maŮana

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Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:24 pm quote
Looks good.
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Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:16 am quote
Nice job on the front fender. I pulled that top trim off on mine to attempt a fix on a ding and prep for primer, it was a bear to get the screw out but managed to pull it off.
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:39 pm quote
Had a couple delays in getting to it, the most pressing was that there was no center stand !! (luckily the nice guy who sold it to me found it and is mailing it ...phew). My next issue is how the heck do I start re assembling this lovely scooter? the engine is intact and very clean (ran 12 years ago) my thoughts are

1. center stand
2. engine
3. rear wheel
3. front end
4. wiring and cables
5. gearbox, brake handles, other things like this

I am excited but overwhelmed any advice on what worked for you is great. Found some awesome posts but none on the order of things in general.

One good story: The paint on my fender from the other day orange peeled bad, the guy who sold me the paint and told me it would not orange peel felt so bad he sanded and sprayed it for me! totally by surprise too I was waiting for a call to say he had matched the color again and he sent me a picture of the re painted fender! that was pretty f'ing great and restored my faith in humanity (im a cheap date [/img]

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Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:19 am quote
Wow. Very cool of him to shoot it for you it looks great!

First thing you want to do is run the wiring and cables.
and the rear wheel will be one of the very last things to do.

So your list will look more like...
1. Wiring and Cables
2. Centerstand
3. Front end
4. Engine
5. Connect cables, etc

PS - Make sure you check compression on that engine before you stab it in the frame.
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Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:44 am quote
Sounds like a better plan! I was thinking of ordering a new wiring harness and cables. The ones on there donít look terrible but I figure now is a good time to put in new ones.
How do I check compression? Just put the engine on something and see if it starts? (Put new oil in it ofcourse)
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Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:06 am quote
wow that looks great!
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Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:34 pm quote
Paint looks great , Iím gearing up to painting mine. How did you get bad orange peel? So I hopefully donít get bad orange peel.
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Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:55 pm quote
rowdyc wrote:
gmontag wrote:
Didn't that year's Allstate have the seamless fender?
From my limited understanding, the early blue Allstates (late 50's) had seamless fenders and the last batch (early 60's) had a fender with a seam in the middle and crease on the sides but no trim.
Mine is also a split headset Allstate. Mine has the seamless front Fender, although mine is a 1958.
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Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:32 am quote
Cdevillasante wrote:
How do I check compression? Just put the engine on something and see if it starts? (Put new oil in it ofcourse)
You grab a compression tester from Oreilly, or Napa or Autozone. Most will rent one for like 5 bucks a day.

Since you probably don't have an engine stand, put the engine into the frame attach the compression tester (attaches where the plug sits) and kick it over a few times to see if it will hold pressure or if your seals or knackered.
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Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:57 pm quote
that fender's looking so good you might have to rough it up to match the rest of the bike
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:53 am quote
Thanks guys I will do the compression test (if auto parts stores are open here in ca. ) Lynn no idea how I got orange peel, followed all the guys instructions, but I have so little experience. He did say that itís much easier with a compressor and gun. I had a can and hope gonna work on it some today. Will post pics later!
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:36 am quote
Well had a small victory yesterday. Got the badge off the parts bike and put it on! The mail is taking forever so no wiring harness or cables to put in. Oh and my speedo king magic arrived. Steve did amazing work!

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Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:38 am quote
Itís the small things these days...

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Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:44 am quote
Itís always the details ...
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:05 am quote
Cdevillasante wrote:
Thanks guys I will do the compression test (if auto parts stores are open here in ca. ) Lynn no idea how I got orange peel, followed all the guys instructions, but I have so little experience. He did say that itís much easier with a compressor and gun. I had a can and hope gonna work on it some today. Will post pics later!
Ahh ok so you didn't use a gun and compressor , it like comparing apples to oranges gun to can. Near as I can tell , air to high and it goes on dry and air to low and you get orange peel from lack of atomization. Looks good now anyways.
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:03 pm quote
Hey all! I finally got my wiring harness in the mail and got it in place today! never thought i would get bloodied and bruised from that but man oh man what a feeling! I am a bit nervous about putting the cables on anyone know any good videos or other resources? I have two books but always like explanatory electronic sites too

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Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:28 pm quote
Cable answers!
Found this from the awesome folks at scooterwest!

title Vespa P200 Restoration - PART 2 - Cables/Wiring/Frame Component Installation

answers start at 39:11
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Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:13 pm quote
I got the wiring harness in. Now canít find where to place the cables. Found three holes under the body that I assume they go through. Also should I have rubber grommets where they come through the frame ? Any help would be appreciated
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Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:08 pm quote
Hey CD,

I took a few pictures of B-62, my 62 Allstate. In summary:
The two shifter cables have a sleeve around them and feed out the bottom hole
The rear brake cable and clutch cable come out the bottom hole
The throttle & choke cable come through where the wiring comes to the engine

Pictures are much better though. Let me know if you want me to open up the clamshell headset and take a picture or two...

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The black sleeve holds the two shifter cables. The thick grey is the brake, the thin grey is the clutch cable

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The shifter cables

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The throttle and choke cables coming out with the wiring for the engine.

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Another angle of the throttle and clutch cables going into the carb box

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Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:13 am quote
Thanks man! I just realized I have to get body grommets too. any other tips?
THX
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Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:54 pm quote
Headset pictures would be fantastic! no rush though I am putting in the cables today then i have to re assemble the front end
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Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:57 pm quote
So I think I did it! please tell me if its not ok The only thing is that I think there is a cable cap inside my brake cable tube, about one inch in from the entrance, (see the smaller hole inside it?). How should i get it out? drill the heck out of it or try to fish it out by pushing a wire through, making a knot and pulling back? I heard these things fall of the ends of cables and can be hard to get out.....otherwise can it be used without the housing? cause it fits without it.
Thanks gents!

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Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:58 pm quote
here are the other cables, minus speedo and front brake ( I will do those when I do the front end)

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Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:59 pm quote
and the other end

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Sun May 03, 2020 1:52 pm quote
Well making some headway little by little ! Front end attached, speedo and brake cable in! Speedo out the hole in the side(ish) of the fork brake cable out the bottom ! I think the headset comes next? Or the motor?

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Sun May 03, 2020 1:57 pm quote
A small correction...

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Sun May 03, 2020 3:12 pm quote
Thanks man that helps so much!
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Thu May 07, 2020 6:54 pm quote
Can anyone tell me if the rear brake cable is the same for a vbb and a 62 allstate? I have the vbb and it doesnt seem to fit (see above pic)]
Thanks!
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Mon May 11, 2020 9:36 am quote
Iím not sure if theyíre the same but the rear brake inner of the cable should go in a tube and come out at your pedal and switch.
Howís it going there?
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Thu May 21, 2020 6:51 pm quote
Good working on the headset now. The rear brake tube under the body has something stuck in it so I am just going to cut the brake cable housing to the obstruction point and put it through to the pedal. I figure its in the tube anyway right? the obstruction is probably an old fering.(see pic above) ill post pics tomorrow of the progress
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Thu May 21, 2020 7:29 pm quote
I think if you keep hammering the tube with penetration oil it will eventually break free.
I just finished the headset setup on mine, still controversial but done.

Iím curious I have this metal piece that contains the gear cables, where exactly or how exactly does it go and attach?

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Fri May 22, 2020 4:53 pm quote
Lynnb wrote:
Iím curious I have this metal piece that contains the gear cables, where exactly or how exactly does it go and attach?
Sorry for the delay Lynn - It attaches to the case bolt in front of the kick starter shaft.

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Jeeze, I need to clean up under there!

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