62 Allstate re assembly help!
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Fri May 22, 2020 5:39 pm quote
Thanks I put it on, I removed the lock washer and torqued to 5 lbs, hope I did good.
Molto Verboso
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Fri May 22, 2020 6:08 pm quote
I think it's 11 ft lbs. Could someone else verify the torque settings for the engine case nuts?
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Fri May 22, 2020 9:52 pm quote
qascooter wrote:
I think it's 11 ft lbs. Could someone else verify the torque settings for the engine case nuts?
I saw 5 lbs somewhere , but of course I could be wrong.
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Sat May 23, 2020 7:55 am quote
The Crankcase securing nut

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Molto Verboso
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Sat May 23, 2020 8:59 am quote
Hey Lynn - I've seen that number out there also. I'm trying to find 11ft lbs in writing. I know I got it on paper in my garage but here is a link: http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic38291
Molto Verboso
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Sat May 23, 2020 12:38 pm quote
Hmmm...
Well, this is what is hanging in my garage, and I'm sure I torqued to this sheet, so I wonder which value it is: 4.5-6 ft lbs, or 11 ft lbs???

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So are the case nuts torque spec 4.5-6 ft lbs, or 11 ft lbs?

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Sat May 23, 2020 12:58 pm quote
Lol I hope it is 10lbs , I retorqued.
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Mon May 25, 2020 6:32 pm quote
so I cracked my switch and ordered a new one and they are slightly different. Also when I ordered a wiring harness from scootermercato for my 62 allstate he said one for a vbb would work just fine. The thing is there is are extra wires!
my origial had six single wires and the vbb one has an extra green pair of wires.(3 colors are doubled too). Any advice? and how do I know which holes to put wires in. my idea was to copy the original switch but stuff is different! ill post pics first the original:

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Mon May 25, 2020 6:33 pm quote
new one:

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Mon May 25, 2020 6:34 pm quote
new wires:

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Mon May 25, 2020 6:36 pm quote
My fallback is I could just glue the switch back together and hook up all the wires but the green (which I believe is a tail light?). Here is my progress so far

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Tue May 26, 2020 9:05 am quote
Yes, I'd try to glue it back together. Once it is installed it is fairly well supported and protected as long as you only take the hold down screw just snug I think. I've done on cracked in half ones before. Clean w/ acetone or similar first. I'd use my old standby ShoeGoo because it doesn't get hard and brittle and is sticky enough as you'll discover when you peel any you got on your fingers off after. It's like rubber cement on steroids.

Your bike is looking great!
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Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:01 am quote
Well finally got the right wiring harness an started over. Lost a lot of ground but this isnít a race

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Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:32 pm quote
No race, there will always be something else, at least for a while.
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:28 pm quote
More progress and some happy hours in the shop 😊

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Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:29 pm quote
Speedo!!😊

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Molto Verboso
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Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:23 pm quote
Your tray looks like a toolbox - ha! Wait, is that a pic of when I'm working on my scooter?

Keep the faith - you'll get it! Looking good...
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Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:17 pm quote
I am trying to hook up the speedo cable for my 62 Allstate and itís all in place but Iím not sure how to secure it, after itís all screwed in it still pulls out with a gentle tug. There is this brass thingy that seems like a clamp, is this it? Where does it go?

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Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:18 pm quote
To clarify the fixture stays screwed in but the cable pulls out easily
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Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:59 pm quote
I just so happened to be at the same point and was wondering how it fit, did a bit of searching and came across this. VBB Speedo Drive installation
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Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:37 pm quote
Lynne, thanks so much for that! was super easy after I understood what was supposed to happen and how it worked!
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Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:20 pm quote
Engine is in! So relieved it fit haha and I did it by myself

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Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:22 pm quote
Sorry itís upside down!

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Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:34 pm quote
I know what a struggle it is to get an engine in by yourself , takes unique setting up. I built most of my bike up on the sawhorse table and had to get it down myself, that was interesting.
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Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:29 pm quote
Frame is really looking fine! Feels good to get that dang motor in, right?
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:14 pm quote
Thanks Lynne and Voodoo

well the engine was in then i had to take it out again to fix an obstruction in the rear brake cable passage (cable end). But now its back in! so......I was hooking up the front brake and this happened.....any better ideas than removing the front wheel and trying to get the threads out through brute force and luck? it came out easy the first time but then I always had problems getting it back in. It would just be a battle every turn...then about halfway in it snapped

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Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:23 pm quote
You have quite a length sticking out, go easy with small visegrips , been through this myself.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:04 pm quote
You can also stick a square tipped bit in the end and give it a tap, then turn it out.

After you get it out, you might want to chase the threads in there with the proper tap to fit so next adjuster you screw in there will be like butter, with a dab of grease on it.

I don't know the size of the thread offhand.
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:56 pm quote
so things are good thanks for the good advice on removing the broken threads it worked with pliers!

and I GOT IT TO START!! but it races revs high then sputters and dies..I played with idle speed and airmix but nothing seems to help. Maybe an airleak? any advice on carb adjusting, troubleshooting? does this year vespa have a rubber gasket around the airbox? getting closer. oh and since it has gas now i would rather not take the carb apart, but will if need be
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Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:13 pm quote
I took apart, cleaned the carb and put it back together again, and lo and behold, she purrs!
This series of vids by Jeff Allen really helped!

first link is my 62 allstate, second is carb help


https://youtu.be/l2forFl4yXo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ7eaFzQPSs
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Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:36 am quote
Sounds great!

I didnít see your Oct 14 post!!! Sorry to leave you hanging but glad you have it sorted!
Molto Verboso
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Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:48 am quote
Very nice CD - Sounds great. Way better than mine. I've got to rebuild her soon. I think you're going to enjoy running around on 8s...

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