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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:54 pm quote
Hi all,

Completely unexpected, but I was gifted a PX200E Lusso this afternoon...

The story:
A good friend of mine has a lot of old machines stored in the back of a shop. There were like over a 150 machines (Honda, Jawa, Peugeot, Suzuki, Yamaha, Kreidler, and a few Vespa's).
He was a little lost about how to get rid of them, so I put him in contact with a few people who took about 15 - 20 machines off his hands.
At the end of the afternoon, there was one PX200E left, and I asked him how much he wanted for the bike.
He thought about it for a few seconds and then said that I could have it to thank me.

I did not pick it up yet (first have to find the right moment to tell my wife
).

The bike is complete, is probably from 1986 and should have had a rebuild of some sort anywhere between 5 to 15 years ago.

The gas tank smells fishy, and the oil sight glass is covered with some hardened oil.

I kicked it this afternoon, and the engine ticks over, and a light on the dash lights at that moment.

I have no experience on a "modern" bike like this


What would you guys do to try to get it running?
I was thinking about :
- cleaning the gas tank
- cleaning the autolube tank - how do you do this? Can you remove it? Should I put some gas in it? (Never had a Vespa with autolube).
- Clean carb
- New spark plug

Anything else?


I only have a few quick pics for the moment:

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Last edited by DD_VES on Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:06 pm; edited 1 time in total
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1980 P200E , 2005 Stella 177
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:22 pm quote
Replace the fuel and oil lines while you have the tank out.

Love the color of that scoot and btw that seat is awesome! Never seen one like it and wondering if they are still available somewhere.

Good luck with that great present!
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P200 PX150
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:33 pm quote
You can remove the oil tank. Takes a lonnnng extension and a deep socket (17mm?). Careful not to smash the oil-filter screen with the deep socket. Alternatively, when you pull the tank, you could just swirl some gas through the oil tank and drain it off through the oil sight gas hole. Speaking of... buy a spare sight glass and to have on hand they are known to crack and break from time to time.

That is a gorgeous color and the 200's pull like crazy. You'll love it. Congrats.
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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:37 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
That is a gorgeous color and the 200's pull like crazy. You'll love it. Congrats.
I also like the color!
I have a 10inch geared P200 in my 8inch VBB, I know what you mean
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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:39 pm quote
swiss1939 wrote:
Replace the fuel and oil lines while you have the tank out.

Love the color of that scoot and btw that seat is awesome! Never seen one like it and wondering if they are still available somewhere.

Good luck with that great present!
Iím not sure about the awesomeness of the seat myself..
maybe I have to get used to it..
I have never been into PXís in fact. One hour before I got it, I said to one of the people there that I was not into these modern machines
But now Iím eager to have it in my garage
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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:44 pm quote
Today I have a modern GTS300 that I use to go to the city or to get bread or something. Iíve never wanted to use my VBB for that because Iím scared someone steals it.
I might do that with this one and sell the GTS.
Molto Verboso
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:29 pm quote
Wow DD lucky you but probably well deserved! Looks in very good condition shouldn't take much, hopefully...
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:51 pm quote
i'd yank the tank out and do a fuel tap, oil tap, sight glass with new o-ring. throw some fuel & oil lines at it, rebuild the carb and do tires, tubes, lube up the cables, change the gear oil and call it done.

but when i ordered all that stuff to get it up and running i'd grab some seals, the clutch consumables, a cross and gasket kit at the same time...

we expect to have a ride report by sunday!

-g
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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:52 pm quote
greasy125 wrote:
i'd yank the tank out and do a fuel tap, oil tap, sight glass with new o-ring. throw some fuel & oil lines at it, rebuild the carb and do tires, tubes, lube up the cables, change the gear oil and call it done.

but when i ordered all that stuff to get it up and running i'd grab some seals, the clutch consumables, a cross and gasket kit at the same time...

we expect to have a ride report by sunday!

-g
Molto Verboso
08 GTS 250, 79 P200E, 62 Allstate
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:49 pm quote
DD_VES wrote:
Today I have a modern GTS300 that I use to go to the city or to get bread or something. Iíve never wanted to use my VBB for that because Iím scared someone steals it.
I might do that with this one and sell the GTS.
I sold my GTS-250 a while ago and just use the P200 or the 125 Allstate for grocery runs. I use a big ass chain and lock on the Allstate! Way more fun than the GTS250, but to each their own.
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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:13 am quote
greasy125 wrote:
we expect to have a ride report by sunday!

-g
Well.. It's monday..
But I only picked it up this afternoon.
It runs, rides, brakes, shifts, everything works, except for the rear light.

This is a high mileage scoot..

43000kms (27k miles).

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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:41 am quote
I have no paperwork byw, just like with my Sprint V.

Scooterhelp doesnít help..

Anybody an idea?
Frame: VSX1T 85864*
Engine: VSE1M 028038*
*= one more digit
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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:59 am quote
High mileage..

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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:13 pm quote
mmmm.
I was thinking the first number was an 8, but it might be a 3.
If it's a 3, it's a '86.

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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:25 pm quote
I zoomed a little..

Are these 2 eights? OR a three and an eight?

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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:34 pm quote
swiss1939 wrote:
Replace the fuel and oil lines while you have the tank out.

Love the color of that scoot and btw that seat is awesome! Never seen one like it and wondering if they are still available somewhere.

Good luck with that great present!
Close up of the seat. These are the so-called Corona Virus Seats I believe

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1980 P200E , 2005 Stella 177
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:39 pm quote
Ha. Not solid color at all. It's like the color blindness tests!
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:23 pm quote
DD_VES wrote:
I zoomed a little..

Are these 2 eights? OR a three and an eight?
Try rubbing a white crayon over the numbers.
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:30 pm quote
Maybe some premix 2% until you know the autolube is working...
Molto Verboso
08 GTS 250, 79 P200E, 62 Allstate
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:16 pm quote
Looks like 858 to me.
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PX 150
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:19 pm quote
DD_VES wrote:
I zoomed a little..

Are these 2 eights? OR a three and an eight?
I read 358
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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:50 am quote
pheasant plucker wrote:
Maybe some premix 2% until you know the autolube is working...
Done. I started it in premix, rode to the gas station, filled 4l and went for a ride
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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:50 am quote
qascooter wrote:
Looks like 858 to me.
To me as well, but that number doesnít exist...
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Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:41 am quote
i get 358
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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:35 am quote
Tuned it today!

Removed a few kiloís of chrome

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Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:19 am quote
DD_VES wrote:
Tuned it today!

Removed a few kiloís of chrome
*now it will go 10 mph faster
Molto Verboso
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1987 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
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Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:49 pm quote
My ratty PX200E (came originally with autolube & e-start), first registered in 1995, has this VIN (VSX1T - 303723X). I too agree that the first digit is a "3". I don't think they ever reached 8XXXXX cause the later disc models changed to ZAPM18000 - XXXXXX
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Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:05 pm quote
DD_VES wrote:
Tuned it today!

Removed a few kiloís of chrome
Looks so much better I think ! The side stand is an option, right ?
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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:21 am quote
Tibo27 wrote:
DD_VES wrote:
Tuned it today!

Removed a few kiloís of chrome
Looks so much better I think ! The side stand is an option, right ?
Ah! I knew I forgot to remove something!
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Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:24 am quote
I vote 358, Also color it in with a white crayon and see what it looks like with additional contrast.
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:57 pm quote
Did some work on the engine this weekend.
It may have 27k miles, but it's looking good!

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Before removal

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Before cleaning

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Industrial greasecut

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After greasecut

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start of tear down

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head

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cilinder

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piston

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clutch

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Nice intake!

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primary

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All cleaned

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Clean cases!

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'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:09 am quote
The plan (for now) is:

Pinasco 225
BGM 60mm crank
26/26 carb
BGM Big Box
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:06 am quote
What a great gift DD! Looks like it's in great condition apart from those areas of surface rust.

43,000 k's is not so much for a 200 PX... I have a friend who did her first top-end rebuild at 90,000k. And another friend who did his at 70,000.
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Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:48 am quote
Anyone any jetting advice?

225 Pinasco
60mm crank
26/26 Fasterflow
Big Box exhaust
no porting

thanks!
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Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:51 am quote
That's almost the same spec. as my Pinasco tourer. It currently has a 52/140 PJ and 160/BE2/150 on the SI26. The oversize main is due to the Pinasco venturi and big air box. With a smaller main, it was pinging at WOT. I use a 24/63 upgear with 36T 4th and 100/90 tyres on mine with SIP 2.50" rims. This all keeps the RPM low at quite high cruising speeds, so it's totally relaxing compared to my big power scooter.
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Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:03 am quote
swa45 wrote:
That's almost the same spec. as my Pinasco tourer. It currently has a 52/140 PJ and 160/BE2/150 on the SI26. The oversize main is due to the Pinasco venturi and big air box. With a smaller main, it was pinging at WOT. I use a 24/63 upgear with 36T 4th and 100/90 tyres on mine with SIP 2.50" rims. This all keeps the RPM low at quite high cruising speeds, so it's totally relaxing compared to my big power scooter.
I had another advice from a friend:
60-160 and 160-be3-138
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Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:44 am quote
Ok, without the Pinasco venturi and big air box, 138 MJ would be about correct. When I used a BE3, it 'gurgled' a bit in mid range, which was cleaned up by the BE2. I also have the Pinasco extra rich slow running jets, but when I tried 60/160, it was too much for my setup.

All engines are different, even when they appear very similar like yours and mine. I run a Tameni 60mm crank, which has quite a 'mild' cut (closes @ 60 ATDC). Some cranks are more racy. My inlet is extended at the back with a Dremel to give an inlet open of 120 BTDC, so my inlet duration is ~180. I also matched the case port to the single transfer on the Pinasco 225 'Super Sport' cylinder. Are you using the Super Sport or the 960 or 9TS kit?
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Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:49 am quote
swa45 wrote:
Ok, without the Pinasco venturi and big air box, 138 MJ would be about correct. When I used a BE3, it 'gurgled' a bit in mid range, which was cleaned up by the BE2. I also have the Pinasco extra rich slow running jets, but when I tried 60/160, it was too much for my setup.

All engines are different, even when they appear very similar like yours and mine. I run a Tameni 60mm crank, which has quite a 'mild' cut (closes @ 60 ATDC). Some cranks are more racy. My inlet is extended at the back with a Dremel to give an inlet open of 120 BTDC, so my inlet duration is ~180. I also matched the case port to the single transfer on the Pinasco 225 'Super Sport' cylinder. Are you using the Super Sport or the 960 or 9TS kit?
Thanks for the explanation man!

I bought the Super Sport (at SIP).
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Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:53 am quote
BTW, I run mine with no base gasket (just a very thin smear of sealer), to minimise the squish as much as possible. You will need to use a washer under the spark plug. I remember using a ~1.5mm washer because the plug was protruding into the combustion chamber. A B8ES seems to work really well.
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Mon May 04, 2020 3:52 am quote
current status

Have a few small runs in the clear, and some sanding marks.
But all in all not too bad. Will never be a pro job, but happy anyways.
Will address the runs with a razor blade and will be wetsanding and polishing the whole bike.

What needs to be done: Color and clear on the frame, last coat of color and clear on a few small pieces (fender crest, horn cover grill, ...)

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