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Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:44 pm quote
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https://youtu.be/39GTH8UlXK8?t=52
^^^^^Hahahaha

Perfect, because just like the movie it took too long, but the fire at the end did the trick.

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Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:48 pm quote
And in the perfect timing department... right after I finally got the fender done the delivery man showed up with a nice cowl from our new member Carlos (putting together a 62 Allstate). Thanks man!!!

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Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:20 pm quote
Looks good and paint matches too.
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Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:37 pm quote
Almost... Sorry bad phone pic.... Cowl is a faded allstate blue and the scoot is Amethyst Grey.
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:32 pm quote
Slow train to Clarksville here with managing the covid crisis at my day job... definetly interfering with my garage time. But hey... no complaints i know some folks already laid off. Fucking crazy....

Anyway, finally broke the rear hub nut free. (Impact Driver for the win!) yay.

Also, had a cable adjuster break off insito... boo.
Will try and bust it out with a reverse drill bit.

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Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:34 pm quote
Brake shoes came off easy

Very little wear, albeit lots of rust and grime....

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Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:58 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
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Also, had a cable adjuster break off insito... boo.
Will try and bust it out with a reverse drill bit.
You don't have to reverse drill back it out, use a big sheetrock screw and run it out the backside after heat & penetrant.
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:36 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
Birdsnest wrote:
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Also, had a cable adjuster break off insito... boo.
Will try and bust it out with a reverse drill bit.
You don't have to reverse drill back it out, use a big sheetrock screw and run it out the backside after heat & penetrant.
Wouldn't that thrash the threads all the way through?
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Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:55 pm quote
Slow and steady - any progress is better than no progress. I mean, I don't think any of us can go at the mind boggling pace of Charlieman - I can't even follow along he's so fast! Ha!

Nice to see you progressing along! Stay safe...
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:23 am quote
Birdsnest wrote:
V oodoo wrote:
Birdsnest wrote:
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Also, had a cable adjuster break off insito... boo.
Will try and bust it out with a reverse drill bit.
You don't have to reverse drill back it out, use a big sheetrock screw and run it out the backside after heat & penetrant.
Wouldn't that thrash the threads all the way through?


I've done it twice because no EZ out or reverse drill. Once w/ a screw and once w/ a small torx drive without trashing the threads. Your break off looks clean and you are lucky enough to have that cable slot to dump penetrant/lube into after a thorough cleaning and maybe some heat.

But back it out or screw it through, whatever's easiest so you can fix the damn thing!
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:32 am quote
Just dealt with this on the GL.

Heat ... hot, hot heat ... and a small Allen key jammed in the hole did it for me.
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:44 am quote
Slow and steady wins the race or at least crosses the finish line.
I work at a Steel plant , Algoma Steel to be exact, I went into work Monday and boss said what you doing here with the cough ( he was joking ), I called our HR Hotline and went through some questions with the guy, he told me to go home and don't come back until I'm 100%.
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:43 pm quote
More from the Texas Rust War...

This old bird won't give an inch.

Piston is stuck like chuck.... AND I gotta stuck cylinder stud. Bah

Anyone have ideas?

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Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:03 pm quote
if only one stud is stuck, can't you still split the case halves and work it from the inside? you should be able to split it, free the crank from one case half, apply penetrent to the stud from the bottom, and hopefully remove the stud and then the barrel / stuck piston.

this is theory, YMMV

me? I'd cut holes in the piston to free the con rod and trash it and the barrel.
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:51 pm quote
HaÖ just went through this too on the GL. It fought me just like yours is fighting you - every nut and bolt. When they reach a certain crust level they just donít want to give up the ghost.

Save your sanity (and knuckles) and just split the case, like John said, with the piston and cylinder fused as one.

The stud... once again... heat.

p.s. I needed a case splitter to get the GL apart. And had to tap literally every hole and run a die or thread file on every stud. Youíll probably have to do the same. No better time than now!

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Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:22 pm quote
Socal does that mean you own a case splitter now??
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:19 pm quote
sdjohn wrote:
Socal does that mean you own a case splitter now??
john's over here asking the real questions. love it.

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Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:39 am quote
Yard art ala voodoo...

Thanks for the tips and suggestions everybody.

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Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:27 pm quote
Birdnest I like your yard art looks great! Good going on the scoot as well!
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:27 pm quote
now you can't just go dumping those teaser pics and not tell us how you got there

out with it, how'd you get it done?
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:35 am quote
Sorry... sorry...

It was a bit of a pickle with the stuck cylinder stud and the piston locked up. I had tried heat, penetrant, and whacking the piston with a block of wood, ...all the usual tricks etc. Greasy suggested putting some torque on the crank and whacking the piston in concert... after some more penetrant and heat we gave it a go and while piston never budged, the crank freed up enough to lift the barrel maybe half inch. Enough to where I could cut the cylinder stud.

Once cut, I separated the cases and then whack-a-moled the entire lump out with a satisfying Ker-Clunk as it hit the pavement.

I still have the cylinder stud to free up, but it feels a bit more downhill on the engine side of the rebuild now.
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:59 am quote
Nice work!
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:00 pm quote
Shhh! That was supposed to be proprietary information!!

Glad it worked out man!

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Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:59 am quote
Getting ready to start trying to address some of the body rust, especially in the center channel... went to take of the glove box cowl and realized it was attached by 5 about screws. (Never seen that before as my oldest Vespa prior to this VNB was a 69 Rally). Any tricks here other than using midget hands for the corners?

Also, found this old rusted tool inside the cowl? Any ideas on what it is?

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Mystery tool

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Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:44 am quote
mystery tool
sdjohn wrote:
Socal does that mean you own a case splitter now??
I was thinking Mr Nest just found some kinda primitive case splitter maybe.....
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Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:03 pm quote
More Farmer Bodgery
The gift that keeps on giving....
The switch-cover was dented and cracked and looked to have some type of adhesive or epoxy over the crack and on one side. I didn't think much of it and proceeded to scrape away at it with a pick and finally got the damn thing off... only to find the switch underneath had been destroyed at some point.

Guy crammed the broken switch back into the cover and just glued it in place. SMH.

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Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:15 pm quote
spitball updates
I was able to get 2 of the final 3 stuck screws out.

EZ-out worked in a fashion on the cable adjuster to just push it out back.

Used a dremel to cut a new slot perpendicular to the original on the brake pivot screw and damn if it didn't work!


Still waiting on a tool for stuck cylinder stud , A friend (Harley master mechanic) suggested a stud extractor tool: https://thd.co/3b4YiH6
We'll see. If it doesn't work I will just have the damn thing lasered out. Grrrr.

Ordered a bunch engine bits (and wine)... Quarantine time management.
Getting ready to start working on the rust. (Really... I've said it before, but tis time for real. Ahem.)

Will report back on the stud extractor...

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Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:59 pm quote
Extracting a broken adjuster is a perfect reason raise a glass for a toast. Hereís to more success with the stuck stud. Salute!
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:47 pm quote
Spent the day with my arm up the center channel with a wire brush scraping away at the rust. Neighbors must have thought I was trying to crawl inside the damn thing as I was contorting and cussing and squirming to try and clear as much as I could out of the center channel.

Waiting on a UPS shipment for the tool mentioned in my previous post. Still not here so I started working on the center stand. Come off pretty easy with the exception of one bolt/nut that was at least courteous enough to brake off on it's own.

Going with matte black rims and a black powdered coated front fork (Thanks Jonathan Gick!) to match the pinasco hubs. Starting to get pretty excited to see how it all turns out.

Oh... and when the center stand was drying I hung it over the yard art and told my wife I made a vespa inspired wind chime. LOLz. She was not amused (locked me out until I assured her I was just kidding).

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wire brush and the jelly jive

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War of the Poses has begun... quarantine fun

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Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:09 pm quote
pretty work there man, you're well on your way!

i think that the rusty tool is for working on old style automotive/truck axles that require a puller to remove from the housing.

keep trucking, before you know it'll be reassembly hell instead of cleaning hell! lol!

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Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:16 pm quote
greasy125 wrote:
i think that the rusty tool is for working on old style automotive/truck axles that require a puller to remove from the housing.

keep trucking, before you know it'll be reassembly hell instead of cleaning hell! lol!
Your probably right on that tool.

The cylinder stud is finally out. Thanks to my old pal Jeff and his buddy Karsten at Harley.

My special stud extractor arrived and was still too big for the small ass stud. Jeff had me bring the case up to the Harley shop and they some better fitting tooling and they backed it out in about 5 minutes. Put the engine breakdown to bed.

Commence the final cleanings before reassembly.

Ask permission or donít get caught... choose your own adventure:

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Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:45 am quote
I find it easier to get forgiveness than permission....
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Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:36 pm quote
Well... wife is still happy, but the cases were still pretty ratty after a pass in the Bosch.

So, I dropped 45 on having them blasted. Worth it.

If I donít get called into work tomorrow I will start slapping this thing back together. Ya ya.

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Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:41 pm quote
The joy of clean cases.
Little extra-good sleeping tonight.
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Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:16 pm quote
Hat tip to Gickspeed
If you want speedy progress you won't find it in my garage... But Jonathan Gick is another story. Guy is quickfast!

Sent him my front end to get powder coated and his Pinasco treatment.

Stoked with how it turned out...

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Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:16 am quote
what is the "pinasco treatment" you are referring to please?
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:40 am quote
The hub and shock are Pinasco upgrades.
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:03 am quote
Looks great love Pinasco
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:54 am quote
that's pretty cool, do you think Gick could do that for an allstate fork? nice looking setup.
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:10 am quote
Glad I found this thread. Recently joined after picking up a '65 VBB 150 (many other 2t's including Lambretta, Vespa Mopeds, etc) and it's good to follow along a proper resto.

Sadly, my frame is MUCH rougher than yours, so I am trying to source a replacement, or if need be some replacement panels to rebuild my chassis.

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