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bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x 2), 74 Primavera (x 2), 06 Fly 150
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:09 pm quote
Great job. No need to apologize for using a stock exhaust... thereís a lot to be said for that factory purr. Itís well worth trading a horsepower or two and all the mounting and jetting headaches if youíre just going to be putting around the neighborhood. Enjoy!
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:26 pm quote
Getting so close.
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:29 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Great job. No need to apologize for using a stock exhaust... thereís a lot to be said for that factory purr. Itís well worth trading a horsepower or two and all the mounting and jetting headaches if youíre just going to be putting around the neighborhood. Enjoy!
^^^ +1.

Ohhhhh soooooo clllllllloooooooose!!!
Sergeant at Arms
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:00 pm quote
Lookiní good in the hood!

I know those last fiddly bits are the toughest.

But you right there!

-g
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Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:45 pm quote
The shitbox lives.

Poi Dog and I rode around H-town yesterday and he saw the poor VNB up on a milk crate waiting for a muffler to arrive via post... well, today he was kind enough to run back over with a spare GL pipe he had around.

Not only that he and wife brought Voodoo donuts!!!! Some of the nicest people you could hope to know.

After some last minute fiddling the old broad finally cooperated and fired up!

Gracias for the GL loaner pipe Mark!!! And the snacks!


https://youtu.be/wPMlId2SkTQ

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Sergeant at Arms
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Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:03 pm quote
This is literally the raddest thing ever.


Forum members coming together.
A bike being brought back to life.
Doughnuts.

All you need now is some beer and youíll be set!!

-g
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Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:42 pm quote
A little birdie told me somebody had a quick lap around the block...

:grins:

-g

(there may or may not have been some moon walking)

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Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:43 pm quote
It's ALIVE!!!
Thank you for the kind words, Birdsnest.
Well, we live a good ways distance from Seattle or Athens, I figure a roundabout 'blessing' of Voodoo / magic for the first start couldn't hurt. Albeit it isn't from our well-known 'style maven' and wizard/guru, V_oodoo, but it is alive!! Woohoo!
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Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:47 pm quote
poidog wrote:
Thank you for the kind words, Birdsnest.
Well, we live a good ways distance from Seattle or Athens, I figure a roundabout 'blessing' of Voodoo / magic for the first start couldn't hurt. Albeit it isn't from our well-known 'style maven' and wizard/guru, V_oodoo, but it is alive!! Woohoo!
Niiiccceeee

I think your herd gave him the final shove over the cliff.

Rumor has it that your blue badge runs smoother than Tennessee whiskey, and thatís only the tip of the iceberg.

-g
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Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:48 pm quote
greasy125 wrote:
A little birdie told me somebody had a quick lap around the block...

:grins:

-g

(there may or may not have been some moon walking)
SAWEEETTTTT!!

(not too sure about the 'moon walking' reference though...)
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Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:54 pm quote
greasy125 wrote:
I think your herd gave him the final shove over the cliff.

Rumor has it that your blue badge runs smoother than Tennessee whiskey, and thatís only the tip of the iceberg.

-g
Nudge, shove, lemmings following each other, whatever it takes to go over the cliff.

Not sure where you heard that about the blue badge, but it sure is fun. Cheers.

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Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:54 pm quote
poidog wrote:
greasy125 wrote:
A little birdie told me somebody had a quick lap around the block...

:grins:

-g

(there may or may not have been some moon walking)
SAWEEETTTTT!!

(not too sure about the 'moon walking' reference though...)
I have video evidence!

(Iíll need to check with the legal department before release)

But 1000%

It looks awesome. And itís running!

Youíre ahead of schedule too!

After the setback on the crank, the victory has to be twice as sweet.

Pretty work. Top marks all the way around my man!

-g
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Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:57 pm quote
poidog wrote:
greasy125 wrote:
I think your herd gave him the final shove over the cliff.

Rumor has it that your blue badge runs smoother than Tennessee whiskey, and thatís only the tip of the iceberg.

-g
Nudge, shove, Lemmings following each other, whatever it takes to go over the cliff.

Not sure where you heard that about the blue badge, but it sure is fun. Cheers.
A little birdie told me...



-g
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Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:35 am quote
Mark I was bragging to G-man about how clean and dialed in your Bluebadge (Tip of) is AND that you have an ETS (Iceberg) in the stable too!
Gratzi again for the pipe and caloric goodness my man!!!

OK - so... I got to ride around a wee bit and came back to yard in cables and try and adjust idle etc, etc. I knew my timing was suspect... turns out more so than I thought apparently.

When I went to kick it over again I got a crazy kickback and then it chugged to life... in f&*king reverse! (You have to imagine Billie Jean playing in the background.)

I know people bump them into reverse for shenanigans at rallys... and I have read that it's theoretically possible that they can start in reverse on rare occasions.... well.. they can... see for yourself .
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Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:36 am quote
https://youtu.be/pXFMk9P5QRQ
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Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:09 am quote
Moon walking! I now understand!


Legal dept. released the video looks like!

That put a huge smile on my face!!!!

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bodgemaster
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Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:09 am quote
Holy crap. Legend confirmed!
A Vespa engine actually can start and run backwards!

This video is pure gold. It will go down in history alongside the Bigfoot vid.
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Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:30 am quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
This video is pure gold. It will go down in history alongside the Bigfoot vid.
Dammit! If only I had donned a bigfoot suit for that vid.

Quick note and a post-ride phone snap...

I am pretty impressed with how grunty the Pinasco 177 top end is. Combined with the Pinasco EI it definitely feels faster than my PX150 did. I know "feels" doesn't count, but we were doing 40 with a ton of wind up left in 3rd. I think mid 50's or upper 50's will be no problem. We shall see. Taking it easy until I get the timing strobed, but early impressions are very good. Only complaint is the braking is a little more dicey on 8s than I expected it to be. Still... major fun to be had on this thing.

Makes me think with the EI and top end kits that their are deals out there to be had for easy coin. VBB's and VNB's still pop up for cheap money don't overlook them... the kits available these days really do make them viable scoots for city driving.

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Molto Verboso
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Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:40 am quote
That's a great video, made me laugh.

How far out does the timing have to be to run backwards?
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Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:06 am quote
about 20 degrees With all the adjustments and off/on of the stator due to the fly wheel binding... at some point I aligned the timing to an older TDC mark instead of the correct case mark for the kit. oops. Ahem.

Note - Turns out these bikes are perfectly capable of starting 20* off. #notrecommended

Note 2 - Make distinct case marks - use markers of different colors etc. so you don't do silly things like yours truly.
Molto Verboso
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Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:19 am quote
Wait a minute.
Is that motor literally running backwards?!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
No f'n way.
Oh man.
Can we pin a video on the landing page?
That is spectacular!

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Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:46 am quote
When i first installed a Vespatronic ignition on my T5 years ago, i had two wires mixed up. The scoot started up quite nicely and once i slipped it in gear, it went backwards! Needless to say i didn't try to find out what the top speed in reverse was.
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Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:53 am quote
charlieman22 wrote:
Wait a minute.
Is that motor literally running backwards?!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
True story... and I will just say that riding a Vespa backwards is much harder than you'd think.
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Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:09 am quote
stellar - never seen it, only heard of the infamous riding in reverse. But now it is confirmed!
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:29 pm quote
Friday funday... Knocked off work early and Mark came over to school me on fine tuning a VNB. What would have taken me a full weekend was knocked out in about 4 hours!
Strobed, fine tune on the carb and cables, and fixed some rear brake silliness of my own making.

The pinasco has crazy grunt combined now with a SIP road II. It goes.
Mark on a test drive -
https://youtu.be/FZwsVaXwEZk
Molto Verboso
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:01 pm quote
Very nice BN! I was surprised how well the Pinasco 177 and EI kit runs on the 62 Allstate. And I haven't even split the cases or replaced the clutch yet!

Good job on getting it on the road, and the crazy backwards vid! What a trip!!
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:30 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
charlieman22 wrote:
Wait a minute.
Is that motor literally running backwards?!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
True story... and I will just say that riding a Vespa backwards is much harder than you'd think.
It gets easier with practice...

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Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:00 pm quote
Shit box running like a champ!!
Got to help with some last minute tuning and buttoning up on Jeff's VNB and...

(Billie Jean ... fading out....)

HOLY COW!! That Pinasco kit & EI with the SIP moves like a scalded dog!! Light frame, rolling on 8's, nimble and quick!! Looks amazing now, compared to what you started with. Heaps of torque! What a hoot to ride!!!

Last little bits of wiring and small knick-knack stuff to sort out, but that is part of the fun.
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Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:38 pm quote
Brake wiring and trim work today.

Poi Dog worked the cowl trim like an expert. Chased some threads and and got Vodooís brake light rubber on.

#almostdone...

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Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:39 pm quote
Thx Terry!

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Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:15 am quote
birdsnest - do you mind sharing your engine build specs - what cylinder, cases, clutch, etc you used? which electronic kit was it? I didn't see all of that in the thread, would be nice to capture it.
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:51 pm quote
Niiiiccceeeee

A little shallow wooden box thatís weathered on the back Would look perfect!

-g
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:39 am quote
greasy125 wrote:
Niiiiccceeeee

A little shallow wooden box thatís weathered on the back Would look perfect!

-g
Get outta my head man... just get out.
I bought one last weekend... an old Royal Crown Cola box. Figure I need some way to transport gin and other life essentials ....like moon pies.

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Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:54 am quote
sdjohn wrote:
birdsnest - do you mind sharing your engine build specs - what cylinder, cases, clutch, etc you used? which electronic kit was it? I didn't see all of that in the thread, would be nice to capture it.
Sure, sure... It's all buried in the thread at this point and not easy to find.

Original VNB4T cases with a 3 speed clutch.
Clutch rebuilt with stock parts
Pinasco FlyTech EI
SIP wiring Harness (This is almost idiot proof as the harness wire colors match the Pinasco kit exactly.)
Pinasco 177 top end
SIP Road 2
20/20 carb
(Jetted too rich right now at 105...waiting on a 98 or 100 to arrive to get it balanced.)
Rolling 8's and happy i didn't change it. Front end with a Pinasco shock and hub is totally functional and has no more dive than my old Rally 180 did.

It's a really, really fun scoot to ride.
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:56 am quote
Thanks, I am likely to copy, Iím working on getting a VBB in pieces.
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:26 am quote
What did you use for gearbox and primaries?
Molto Verboso
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:13 am quote
Hey BN, I've got a question. What is your current jet stack exactly and the pilot jet?

AC/Itomizer/MJ?

Reason I'm asking is I'm in the process of jetting in the exact same kit.

Thanks!
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:33 am quote
sdjohn wrote:
What did you use for gearbox and primaries?
67 primary and I believe... the stock 3 -speed is 14 20 27 but someone correct me if I am wrong.
Quote:
What is your current jet stack exactly?
...cant remember if it is 140 or 160 with a BE3 will look when I get home and confirm.
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:33 pm quote
Itís a 140/BE3/98 (or 100... tbd)

And this is why Greasy scares me...

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Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:35 pm quote
sweet looking addition!
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